May 2016 Surgeries
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Papillon1, you are not alone, I feel worse these past few days with the nerve pain in my hands, than I did right after surgery. And my incision and missing lymph nodes are not what hurts. I've had to go back to my recliner because I roll onto my hands during the night and wake up on fire. Dr says it's the nerve endings from the lymph nodes being taken that are coming alive.
Whatever it is, I'm in some serious pain. Went to the LE clinic and no signs of LE, yet.
ranting...
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Valstim - since I've got the whole "medical error" nerve damage in my arm thing going on, I can offer you this suggestion. For my specific injury, the OT guy told me to wrap my elbow/arm up in a beach towel at night so I don't bend my arm while I sleep and aggravate the nerve more.
I was thinking maybe you could benefit from something similar - wrap your hands up in something so they're too bulky to lay on? Big gloves or a towel or something to protect them some?
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Valistim52, try wrist braces from your local pharmacy. Get the ones with a stiff internal brace used by people with carpal tunnel pain. They really help as they prevent you from bending the wrist at night.
I used them for months when having severe nerve pain in both hands. Really helped! Cost about 15 bucks at Walmart or CVS.
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Valstim, one more suggestion as I have the excruciating burning nerve pain as well. It doesn't respond to standard painkillers but when I told my MO about it on Thursday she sent a pain management guy to see me in the chemo suite and he prescribed gabapentin, which is for nerve pain. It takes a while to work so I can't tell you yet whether it's effective.
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GreyKat, LRGO2016 , Maya15
Thanks so much. I'm doing all three. Called my MO and she called in the garbo? got the sleeves thow. n tis morning and am wearing it . Made the towel blockers. Thanks so much. I love you ladies.
It also helps because I did so well and my incision is doing so good, and now this. Greykat, got up during the night and read your suggestion, made the towel blockers, and was able to sleep on my back and not roll. Woohoo. Thanks so much. You guys will never know how close to the cliff this was making me go. I mean it when i say sometimes this thread is a lifesaver.
Mom4four when I had radiation 24 years ago, (other breast) anything with Vitamin E, really soothes. I also have an aloe plant I will use the oil from that as well. I start this tuesday.
MyToyStory2 in your pocket. Hope you are feeling better soon.
Momof6, I have some argan oil in a little bottle and thanks for the tip. I've used it on my head and eyebrows which are growin glike crazy.
Val
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MyToyStory2, I'm so sorry you're back in the hospital! Don't despair if the TE has to come out. Honestly, you'd probably be better off if it did – my pain relief and recovery was pretty immediate after they removed mine. And don't fret too much about cancelled plans.I had the same thing happen over the Memorial Day holiday. You're family sounds very supportive, as is mine – no one has complained at all. They all have their eye on the prize just like we do – the long game is that we're healthy in the end.
Momof6, thanks for info on the argon oil. I'll have to look for that.
Papillon1 and Valstim52, I'm sorry you're having so much pain. You'd think we'd be able to catch a break now and then throughout this whole process at some point! Hugs to both of you.
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thanks for the hugs.
And get well valstim, sorry you are in pain too.
My skin still hurts and burns... Makes me feel sick sometimes. Am ok if I don't move at all but that's not so practical...
Why the burn?? Some is stitches at the sides but all over?.. Muscle reattaching? Scar tissue forming? Nerves causing issues
Tired too. Slept three hours this afternoon!!
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Day 19 of drains, maybe PS will remove on Monday but I'm not counting on it. Best news is I found out I don't have to have radiation. Feeling beyond blessed at this point. Can't complain about anything.
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Valstim - glad I could help. I hope your pain improves!
Papillon - I had horrible skin burning feeling, bad enough to make me nauseated, particularly in my underarm area, for five weeks before it started to noticeably improve. I figure they basically skinned us from the inside out, so the surrounding skin is raw and the remaining nerves with feeling are all on fire. At least that's what it felt like. Just hang in there and it should improve in time.
Come to think of it, around week 3-4 the nerve pain across my chest was almost unbearable, but that improved - it just got worse before it got better. Just hold on and ride it out. Can you take some anti-inflammatory med like ibuprofin if you have some?
StonyPony - yay no radiation!!
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I was thinking this morning about how sore I still feel even though it's been nearly 3 weeks.i put it down to the nerve endings all being caught up when everything was scraped away.
Having a dodgy arm now doesn't help. I am still taking pain relief which isn't like me just to keep on top of things. I have heard that it will take time as well just not this long.
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I had my surgery on May 10th. It was unilateral mastectomy with latissimus dorsi reconstruction. I still have a drain in the back incision. This is driving me nuts. I can't go to work with the drain in, still can't drive and still very uncomfortable. I am doing as little as possible. Any helpful hints to slow down the drainage so the drain can come out.
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I still have 2 of my 4 drains, and my BMX was 5/16. Feeling your pain! I've worn the compression bra 24/7, laid around and done minimal movement, massaged my breasts out from where the nipple was to encourage flow to the drains, etc, and nothing reduced my output either. My PS said he takes all drains out by 6 weeks to avoid additional complications, so at least I knew there was a light at the end of the tunnel. Good luck to all!
I'm heading back to surgery first thing in the morning. PS will be removing my right side TE and alloderm, clean out the area, and replace it with a new TE and alloderm, and I'll come out with two new drains.The infection has cleared up enough over the past few days since I was admitted that he's willing to try that before removing the TE altogether. Fingers crossed!!
Best wishes to those dealing with new pains! There's always a new hurdle, isn't there!?! Thanks for the scar reducing suggestion - after so many surgeries I imagine I'll be feeling a greater incentive to deal with the scars. Grateful for the wisdom of so many!
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mytoystory2-sending you gentle hugs and rooting for you! I had cellulitis after I came home post op (went to ER).
Thinking of all you ladies often...so grateful to have somewhere to go where we all know this journey : )
Went to first fill this week, I was really dreading it and thinking it would be horrible. Turns out it was quite painless and I worked myself up over nothing. My oldest daughter drove me and held my hand during the fill : ). Usually I'm pretty tough, but this BMX has been rough.
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Good evening! Had my surgery first thing this morning. Original TE and alloderm were removed from the right breast, the area was flushed out (they did see evidence of infection in there, but not pus...which the PS told DH was a good thing) and the new TE and alloderm were sewn in. Two new drains were put in the right, and they didn't opt to remove the one from the left (darn). I was surprised how sore I was when I woke up. Much more similar to my mastectomy pain than the minimal pain I felt after my 2nd surgery for necrosis.
So - the good news is that we get to try this again without total removal. And we didn't have to mess with the left side at all. The bad news - he wasn't able to put any saline in it, so I'm going to be lopsided for a while, but hopefully that's short term. I'd better pay attention to the posts about how to stuff bras! The quirky news - when I came out of my BMX last month, my cornea had been scratched when they taped my eyes shut. When I came out of today's surgery, they had accidentally given me a pretty good fat lip and cut the inside of my bottom lip with the breathing tube. I have the weirdest luck sometimes.....
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ouch! mytoystory2
Im glad they got the infected TE replaced and you are on the mend again! Sounds like your surgical team is rough with you. I would ask them how the cuts happened. That is not normal in my experience. Next surgery, ask them to be extra careful and remind them of the previous incidents. Suggest they use a smaller breathing tube. I sing in a band. When i mentioned that to my surgical team, they said they would use a smaller tube to minimize trauma to the vocal cords. Dont know if they were "blowing smoke" about using a smaller tube but i only had a mild sore throat for a few days after. No cuts or bruising. And definitely ive never had my eyes get scratched during surgery! Your experience is awful and really not acceptable.
You are going through enough already, you don't need additional injury on top of what you are already experiencing.
Of course, I do have a really "big mouth" so maybe that's why I've never had a problem...
And bonniebleu,
I too was nervous about the fill process but 5 fills along the road (340 mils) they have each been pretty simple and painless procedures. I think the key is to take it SLOW. My PA does the fills. She targets to put in about 50 mils each trip but the amount varies with my guidance of how comfortable I am. We tried 60 mils one time but my skin started to bruise, so she removed about 10 mils immediately. Now we have settled on 40 mils each trip as my target.
I find myself tired after the fill and "tight" feeling in my chest but not in any real pain.
I pretreat myself before my fills by taking a muscle relaxer, an OTC tylenol, and my prescribed antibiotics. This combination of meds and slow fill approach seems to be helping me manage this process very well. My tiredness may be simply because I took a muscle relaxer, now that I think about it. But I will continue to take it because during one fill, my chest muscle started to twitch and tried to cramp. I highly recommend this approach if your PS agrees. Talk to them about your concerns. They should be willing to help "ease" you into your new "boobs".
Good luck!
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thanks greykat - the description of your similar burning skin hella. And basically skinned from the inside - so true!!!!!
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@Bonniebleu - I am doing fills with zero painkillers or muscle relaxers or whatnot. If you're nervous, do a smaller amount to start with, and prepare for stiffness and soreness the next day. I have - and this is with no drugs - one night of terrible sleep, two days of pain and stiffness and about three days of impaired mobility, but I just keep doing my post-surgical stretches and by day 4 I'm back to looking in the mirror and calculating how many more fills it's going to take.
You can always tell the nurse or whomever to do less, or let you work up to a bigger fill. And if you're able to take the muscle relaxants or painkillers you'll probably have a much easier time. But then again, I tell you this to let you know it's tolerable and doable drug-free if you stick to smaller fills (30 ccs or so) and tough it out the first couple days.
@Papillon - yeah, that feeling is misery, but as you heal up your nerves will quiet down. I am 6 weeks out and still having sparking nerve pain several times a day, and I gather that's just how it's going to be (not thrilled). My PS nurse said her friend is more than 2 years out and still has pain, and that's just how it happens sometimes. That isn't particularly optimistic but at least it's honest. But at least for me, the horrible on-fire-burning-screaming-can't-touch-hypersensitive-chest-skin healed up. You've just got to hang in there. I've heard that (dry) massage, over time, can help the area to stop being so oversensitive, if you can bear it.
And everyone, I'm 6 weeks out. Hear that? I've crossed the finish line of supposedly total recovery! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm going to take my injuries and other problems from this surgery and go sit in the corner with my sarcasm and frustration and grief.
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here I think total recovery is 2-3 months, but that's immediate recon.
I have gained weight since surgery. It's the lack of movement due to the sore foobs that burn (you described it so right in your previous post greykat!) . And that upsets me... Heaviest I have ever been
What a year..
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I'll be 6 weeks post op on Thursday 😊
Doing good. After week 3 1/2, when the drains were taken out, I really started to feel better physically. I still get the stabbing pains (nerves) sometimes but much less often. Weird how it will feel as if it's a pain in my nipple but I don't have any 😳.
The PS said it could be 5+ fills before I'm done. My first full was 60cc. I took Motrin beforehand and just felt tightness for the next 24 hours.
Sending good, happy healing thoughts to everyone😊
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Bonnie- I'm glad you are doing well! I'll be 5 weeks on Wed. so I'm right behind you. I go for my third fill today and then will resume my left side next week since they will be even after today. It's so good to see the progress. I feel pretty good - Pain is gone but I am getting the occasional zingers. Funny I never had them on my left (MX in January), but now I get them on both sides. I think my left is just joining in sympathy with my right
Still have a swollen ankle and calf. It goes away at night but then swells up during the day. I will talk to the PS today about seeing an LE. I found a video that shows how to do the massage and it seems to help.
Have a great Tues. everyone! -
Hello All
I start rads today, though I'm having some pretty significant pain in both hands. Have appointment with LE clinic and PT.
Funny 4 weeks post op on Friday and my surgery and drain sights do not hurt. But my hands and wrist are awful.
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valstim - have you talked to your MO about your hands and wrist pain being a delayed onset neuropathic response to Taxol?
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Valstim - hope you get the help you need for your hands. This nerve pain stuff is awful.
Does anyone have any advice for eating while on a drug that makes you nauseous and everything taste metallic?
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Valstim, lots of luck with the rads. I hope the PT can help with your hands. It could be neuropathy, as SpecialK suggested, or it's the response of the nerves after the op. I start rads on July 6.
Bonnie, how are you feeling? Is there help around you? I see a therapist and it definitely helps.
Momof6, thanks for the Argan oil tip. I just got a test bottle and I'll try it. If it helps for the hair too, as Vasltim said, the better.
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after a week of burning pains I managed a brisk 2.5 km walk
Wearing two sports bras is the key!!!
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My third fill went fine. I'm a little tight but no pain. I took an ibuprofen an hour before, then a Tylenol after the full and another ibuprofen after dinner. Last time the pain creeped up on me in the evening so trying to avoid that.
Papillon- I know what you mean about wearing 2 sports bras! Its very irritating when something is rubbing agains my incisions so I've been wearing a tight-fitting stretchy camisole over my sports bra. With the heat lately, I may try the 2 sports bra thing instead
GreyKat- I don't have any suggestions for eating, but your description sounds a lot like something the chemo groups experience. You may get some advice on those threads. .
Valstim and MoreShoes - best wishes for your rads treatments.
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SpecialK and Moreshoes, Grandma3x. now that I think about the symptoms in both hands, it sounds more like neuropathy after my taxol. I was told it can take a while to surface. It's awful. I can't imagine what it would have been like if I'd not iced my hands and feet. I will see my MO next week. Also have an appointment the lymph edema clinic with a PT to do some measuring and make sure I'm not getting that as well.
First day of rads was grueling as they had to get more markers, and positioning. The rads itself I didn't really feel anything and they gave me cocoa butter to put on right in the changing room.
Yes Moreshoes, rad sisters.
Thanks Greykat.
Everyone keeps telling me to remember I'm 4 weeks from surgery this Friday, and not totally recovered. Though I'm having rads. hmmm.. recovered enough to do Twister every day.
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valstim - you may find that if this is neuropathy, it may also dissipate with time. Mine was not late onset - I had it with the first infusion in hands, feet and tongue, but by the time I was 6 months PFC all neuropathy was gone You might discuss two distinct approaches with your MO - trying some supplements like L-Glutamine, Acetyl L-Carnitine and B-6, or going the Rx route with Lyrica or Neurontin.
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Wow, so much to catch up on!
StonyPony, did the drains come out on Monday? Fingers crossed! And congrats on no rads.
HelenWNZ, three weeks out is really not that long. I understand it's difficult to feel bad for so long, but time will help.
sml, I don't think there's anything you can do to slow down the drainage, unfortunately. The drains are doing a job – just try to be patient.
myToyStory2, fingers crossed the replacement TE does the trick for you! My ID doctor insisted that if the TE didn't come out completely that the infection would never clear up, so I hope the replacement works for you. And what the heck is up with your surgical teams? The fact that you were injured twice during surgery is just nuts to me. Seems to me that should be reported somehow, though I wouldn't know to whom. Kind of scary.
Bonniebleu, glad your first fill wasn't as bad as you thought it would be. That's always a good surprise!
Papillon1, I'm with you on the weight gain.vvI had lost 25 lbs. before my BMX, and I was maintaining really well there in the first few weeks post-op, despite eating like a cow – I think my body was just so busy working to help me recover that I was getting away with it. Now, it's starting to catch up with me! Haven't stepped on a scale yet but I'm sure I'm up at least 5 lbs. if not more. The good news is that I'm starting to feel well enough to exercise again so I'm back on my stationary bike as of this week and I'm back to a better diet.
Valstim52, sorry about the hand pain! And good luck with starting the rads – sorry the first visit was so grueling and I hope things get easier.
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grandmax3 I think you have the better idea - my breast surgeon today seemed to think my generally feeling of skin burning is the rough seams and material of the sports bras so she recommended a thin cotton camisole / soft bra underneath. Let's see if that helps .. X
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