June 2016 Surgeries!

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  • Maya15
    Maya15 Member Posts: 323
    edited June 2016

    Hi Nicole and welcome! I agree with others above, you should definitely not let the surgeons pressure you into reconstruction if you're not sure you want it. As I understand it it won't mask a recurrence, but it DEFINITELY makes the recovery more painful. I am only putting myself through it because I'm absolutely sure I cannot live with being flat. If you opt out of recon you can always change your mind in the future. The surgeons should not be advocating one way or another, they should give you the medical pros and cons and respect your wishes.

    This might sound crazy, but you're already missing out on your vacation, and unless you have inflammatory breast cancer a week won't make any difference. Have you considered delaying your surgery by a week, enjoying your weekend at the lake and having surgery right after July 4th? Definitely I would say you couldn't do it 4 days post op. I was sleeping 20 hours a day at that point and in quite a bit of pain.

  • ScotBird
    ScotBird Member Posts: 650
    edited June 2016

    mom2four I agree with everyone else. I personally would not want to have reconstruction after MX (although MX isn't what I've had), and think it's bad that your surgeon doesn't listen to your view. The website, breastfree is a good place with lots of information and photos. We are all different and need to be allowed to make personal choices and to be involved in vital decisions which affect us primarily.

    I am day 7 post surgery now and have barely left the house, except for short walks. I'm not planning any trips for a few weeks either, I felt well for a day or two when I first came home but now it seems to have caught up with me. I am quite anaemic having lost a lot of blood and think it will be a while before I get my full energy back. I wouldn't want to take kids to the lake but would try to get someone else to take them while you rest if you have someone.

    Kawa no-one in my care team mentioned sex to me - the closest thing the surgeon talked about was driving: she said as soon as I felt confident that I could make an emergency stop, I could do it. I would think it'd be the same with sex, if you feel up for it, go for it, on the understanding that an emergency stop may be needed!

    XX



  • Mom2fourplusmore
    Mom2fourplusmore Member Posts: 183
    edited June 2016

    Hope floats, thank you for your advice. I love my surgeon. I think I'm just so overwhelmed with everything that I'm gun shy. When something happens in your life and you have to go to the ER you go and whatever the Dr says happens all within seconds. But with this they through everything at you and somehow you have to decide. That's a bit crazy for me. I will see the PS on Fri and find out more. My diagnosis is a small less then 2cm IDC and another spot that is under the arm that is ILC. I need the mastectomy and I've decided to take both.


    Thank you for your help. I guess the lake is off the table. I'm so disappointed


  • tsoebbin
    tsoebbin Member Posts: 474
    edited June 2016

    Favorite post of the day...... "....if you feel up for it, go for it, on the understanding that an emergency stop may be needed" BRILLIANT!

    Doesn't matter if it is sex, driving, exercising... GREAT advice (as long as you are not breaking a specific doc restriction of course).

  • CrawfordsMommy
    CrawfordsMommy Member Posts: 68
    edited June 2016

    Mom2four, I'm feeling sympathetic because with my treatments, I may miss a vacation that I pre-planned and paid for last year, now I may not get to go and see my family and friends. So disappointed! But well, we have to do what we have to do.

    And yeah, it's easy to feel overwhelmed. I have my first MO appointment on Friday and it just feels like too much. I just got out of surgery 2 weeks ago. Now I have to see more doctors. I have seen so many doctors, they're all very nice people but I'm sick of being poked and prodded all the time and I know it all gets worse before it gets better. I suppose I'm not a very good patient.

    I had my bilateral mastectomy two weeks ago and it's rough but you get through it. I get what you mean when you say things are feeling crazy. I feel the same way!

  • SthrnYankee
    SthrnYankee Member Posts: 25
    edited June 2016

    kellychameleon- Thank you! Yes it is difficult going from no medication & only routine dr visits to this! It is surreal, I sometimes sit & wonder if it has really all hit me yet or not. No help from the dr today really...I couldn't see my PS cause he's out of town so I had to see his associate...he doesnt think it's fluid he thinks it's normal swelling & recommended ice packs, wearing the surgical bra, & ibuprofen. Later in the day I saw my BS for follow up & to schedule putting a mediport in & since the mediport outpatient surgery is now set for next Tuesday...no ibuprofen! So I'm back to tylenol which doesn't help at all & trying the bra & ice packs. When will this all be over?! Unfortunately I feel that it will be a long process of issues from here on out...I pray that chemo is nice to me!

  • ScotBird
    ScotBird Member Posts: 650
    edited June 2016

    Morning all, I wanted to share this link which I spotted on another thread. I loved the story it really made me smile. Hope everyone is having a good day. I'm now 1 week post surgery and am having a really good day. Got in my car for the first time which was great. Luckily no emergency stops were needed LOL. X


    cancer treatment : mountain lion

  • WenchLori
    WenchLori Member Posts: 1,558
    edited June 2016

    Good morning everyone! I'm just stopping by to see how everyone is doing. I want to wish Hanley50 the best of luck today! Praying for a uneventful surgery and speedy recovery!

    I've got some reading to catch up on but know you are all in my thoughts and prayers!

    (((((All)))))

  • kellychameleon
    kellychameleon Member Posts: 100
    edited June 2016

    Scotbird, that story was great! I totally laughed at "rub some kale on it." I have had more than one person offer advice on some miracle product (usually some MLM type thing that they sell), and that reminded me of them. Anyway, that story was a really good analogy for all of this.

    I woke up super sore today for some reason. One step forward two steps back it seems like lately.

  • jill47
    jill47 Member Posts: 351
    edited June 2016

    Hi all, here to join your group. The last surgery gang I was on was July 2012, June 20th is my secondary reconstruction, called a prepectoral reconstruction. Implants coming out pectoral major muscles will be separated from the tissue they've adhered to over the years and reconnected back down to where they came from. New implants will be naturalle tear drops & smaller. ADM will lay under the entire skin flap, implant under that on top of muscles. 2 drains for 2 weeks. Negative pressure wound therapy for 8 days given my high risk for infection: history of bi-lat breast cellulitis last year, lymphedema and 1 nipple loss due to necrosis (more surgery) after original bmx. PS will try to save all my skin. I've had constant tightness, itchy breasts, paeu d'orange that won't go away and ever increasing pain since cellulitis. Even with weekly LE therapy weekly for last 9 months (PS wrote & renewed the script) little relief on chest, right arm much improved. My LE therapist is hopeful this surgery will help reduce inflammation w/ my truncal LE. I'm praying for no surprises during surgery and that I feel better after I've recovered.

  • tsoebbin
    tsoebbin Member Posts: 474
    edited June 2016

    Glad you're feeling well today Scotbird!

    Welcome jill47... hope this next surgery is complication free. Sounds like you've been through a lot!

    Grandma3x... must be something in the stars today... I started my day with the morning Keurig cup of coffee... but forgot to put my cup underneath! Hope you're afternoon is better!

    I'm trying to prep my house/life/world for my BMX on the 29th. I took the day off work and feel like I'm making good progress.

    💙💜💚💛

    Take care,

    Traci

  • Hopefloatsinyyc
    Hopefloatsinyyc Member Posts: 211
    edited June 2016

    ahhhh prepping the house- I've been hard at it for a week now- and I think I'm almost ready.

    I can't believe my surgery day is almost here... So many different emotions. I have settled on a friend dropping me and picking me up- but not sitting and waiting for me to come out if the OR. I will have a couple phone numbers on standby to text if I need company, but I really want to do 90% of the intake/post-op process alone.

    I am supposed to come home on the 24th if everything goes as planned, and my kids will come home from their dad's the following evening. I will have lots of people checking in on me- but I am looking forward to just sleeping and resting without people around for the most part. I did recovery completely solo with my prior major surgeries so I'm prepared for the pain, the bathroom slow walks & the drains....so hopefully I'm as strong this time. Advantage this time around is my twins are 9 now and a lot more self sufficient and helpful.... Last surgeries being a single mom and recovering was a bit harder.

  • grandma3X
    grandma3X Member Posts: 759
    edited June 2016

    Tsoebbin - LOL - I am one of those people that can't function at all before my morning coffee (and don't even try to talk to me until after I have some caffeine). Luckily I have a coffee maker that I can set to brew before I get out of bed in the morning. I have, on occasion, forgotten to add the coffee, so I wake up instead to a nice pot of hot water :)

  • WenchLori
    WenchLori Member Posts: 1,558
    edited June 2016

    You both remind me of my DSIL when he'd make the coffee.

    Coffee measured and in the basket... check

    Coffee maker turned on... Check

    Water in pot... Check

    Pot under filter basket... Check

    Pot full of cold water still sitting under filter basket... Check

    Fresh hot coffee... Nope

    LOL

  • Hopefloatsinyyc
    Hopefloatsinyyc Member Posts: 211
    edited June 2016

    I have to share.... I had been looking for a simple yet effective sign for my front door to hang while recovering from surgery and then while undergoing chemo.... It was hard because nothing I found was right- though I found lots if I needed one to not wake a sleeping baby!!


    And then I found THIS!

    image

    It's so perfect and I absolutely love it!!!

    The woman who made it has a Facebook page ( Wy and Oli) and customized it just for me!




  • Kawigirl1260
    Kawigirl1260 Member Posts: 60
    edited June 2016

    Hope, Love The Sign! Just what you need!

    Scotbird, great suggestion about the "emergency stops!" And glad that you got out today without one! My BS said I could only drive after my drain came out. So, my DH drove me to my appointment, and I drove home!! It felt so good!

    Nicole, as one who chose to "go flat," I have no regrets. And, as everyone else here has said, you make the decision for yourself! Don't be pressured. I chose my route because I hate having surgery, I hate being "laid-up" during recovery, I'm a high school counselor and covet my summers so I refused to spend it recovering. Granted, I'm 55 and have been married for 32 years to a wonderful man who just wants me to be well. I did talk with a PS before making my decision. And I talked with lots of ladies who had had lots of different procedures to hear about their experiences. I'm fortunate in that we have a wonderful boutique here in town that specializes in mx bras and breast forms. The gal who manages it is a dear and I'm looking forward to working with her. She knows and works with all of the BS and PS in town, so she knows what they each require of their patients. As Scotbird said, Breastfree is a good resource. If you look for post-op pictures, be particular about your sources. I found some pretty awful, but atypical, pics out there. My incision looks great (IMHO). But, I now have just one breast and some folks just are not okay with that for themselves. And, you can always go back and have the reconstruction if you change your mind later. Message me if you have any questions. I'm happy to answer them.

    I do have one observation, though. I'm reading about those of you with the swelling and/or bleeding yet your docs prescribe ibuprofen. My BS said for me to wait until my drain had been out 2 weeks before taking it due to a risk of bleeding since it can cause bleeding issues. I've also always been told to stop taking NSAIDS for two weeks prior to surgery for the same reason. Apparently there are varying opinions in the medical profession about this. Just something that made me go, "Hmmm."


  • Maya15
    Maya15 Member Posts: 323
    edited June 2016

    Kawigirl congrats on getting rid of the drain!

    WenchLori, love the coffee post! Sounds like me before I've had coffee -- takes one to make one!

    Had a productive day at the cancer center today (5 appointments). I was able to address the nerve damage to my arm, still have burning pain in the upper arm, lots of pain in forearm and yesterday noticed a couple of (painful) cords forming in armpit. BS thinks there might be a trapped nerve as well as general pain from nerves being shifted around. Have a great MO who got me an immediate referral for PT (start tomorrow) and got the pain guy to visit me in the chemo suite and prescribe some gabapentin for the nerve pain. I'm glad there is a plan for me to regain use of the arm.

    Even better, BS and MO are both strongly recommending against radiation. I still have to see a radiation oncologist Monday for a consult but they think it will offer little benefit since I had a PCR to chemo and taking Herceptin/Perjeta for another 9 months. They also say I'm guaranteed to get lymphedema because they removed level 1,2 and 3 lymph nodes in surgery and I already have complications in the arm. No rads would certainly be good news!


  • Houston2016
    Houston2016 Member Posts: 317
    edited June 2016

    Hello Opt4life, I was reading your post and wanted to know if your health insurance cover your cancer breast reconstruction after a lumpectomy? I only thought reconstruction was needed for BMX, I may be wrong. It would be great if health Insurance can cover my cancer breast recon and the other breast I need a lift.

  • WenchLori
    WenchLori Member Posts: 1,558
    edited June 2016

    Hi Houston, there was a law passed in 1998 that all insurance companies must cover reconstruction after a mastectomy. Which includes augmentation of the unaffected breast to match the cancer side. I had to fight my insurance from day 1 on everything. Diagnostic mammogram, ultra sound, biopsy etc etc etc. I have a great team working for me now to get everything in place and ready to go! So make sure your PS includes the surgery needed on your unaffected breast when filing for insurance approval. If you google something like "1998 law past for reconstruction after mastectomy"you can get more accurate information on this topic. I'm going by my own experience for the most part but don't let your insurance company pull a fast one on you. It does not cover for lumpectomy that I can see. I could be wrong and I hope someone here can make sure it that's a true statement or not. I've been wrong a time or two in my lifetime.

  • clearly44
    clearly44 Member Posts: 9
    edited June 2016

    I had surgery on June 9, 2016. A simple mastectomy with sentinel lymph node. Yay the cancer diagnosis from the pathology report came back very good. No cancer in the margins and they took three lymph nodes and no cancer.

    In the beginning I had no pain coming home with the anesthetic pain ball. I am able to sleep without any pain medication. However during the day the drain site and a tight chest drive me crazy. I took three Norco yesterday during the day and that kept it at bay. When I wake up in the morning I feel OK. What is everyone doing out there to stay comfortable during the day when moving around and sitting?????

  • Lunderwood
    Lunderwood Member Posts: 125
    edited June 2016

    Hi All - Just wanted to check in and give a quick report on my surgery last Wednesday. I had requested a Paravertebral block and opiod sparing anesthesia regime. The anesthesia team actually used a similar but newer type of block (will need to find out the name) which uses a single injection between the shoulder blades rather than the multiple injections along the spine (as with the Paravertebral block). The nerve block seemed very effective as I did not experience any pain or discomfort until 12+ hours after surgery. The lyphoscintigraphy the day before surgery had clearly indicated the sentinel nodes. Fortunately the sentinel lymph node biopsy during surgery was negative so no lymph nodes were removed. I have absolutely no memory of the surgery (which is probably a good thing) and first post surgery memories were the recovery nurses telling me they were moving me to my room. I was only in recovery for about an hour. All went well until about 10 hours after surgery when I became very nauseas. This was probably the aftereffects of the anesthesia. Even with the anti nausea meds it took some time to get the queasiness under control. I was sick a few times during that first night but eventually everything leveled out. I have kept my diet very light for the first few days after surgery. Pain has been fairly minimal and I have been able to keep it under control with Tylenol and Tramadol. I have had some discomfort due to the swelling and implant placement so am using 1/2 valium tablets at night. So far the drain hasn't been too much of an issue but I was lucky to only have one drain. I went home the day after surgery. As great as my medical center is I really wanted to be home in my own bed. I will admit that I think my first day home was rougher than the day before in the hospital. Not sure if I just tried to do to much or it was just part of the healing process. I had absolutely no energy and wore pajama's all day. Today post surgery day 3 is going better. I feel more alert and the swelling/tightness seems improved. I was able to dress and walk on my treadmill at a slow pace for an hour. My husband is going to wash my hair. It's the little accomplishments that count!

    Sorry for the long rambling report.... seems like so much has happened this week. I am just so relieved to be over the surgery and into the recovery phase.

    Laurie

  • Kawigirl1260
    Kawigirl1260 Member Posts: 60
    edited June 2016

    Maya15, so glad to hear that you're getting a plan in place for your arm AND that you may get to skip the rads! That's excellent! Prayers that the plan works for your arm.

    Houston, WenchLori is right about the insurance coverage. Every doctor I spoke with explained to me that insurance companies must pay for reconstruction surgery, whether for bi or single mx. That includes surgery on the healthy breast to make them symmetrical. They must also pay for it no matter when you choose to have the recon, whether it's immediate or delayed, even if you delay it by choice, not because you need to have other procedures first. Insurance also pays for prosthetics and mastectomy bras should you choose to forgo recon. I'm really fortunate in that my insurance has worked very well with my docs and me. I'm a member of an HMO. They even approved for home health care to come in and help out right after my surgery, although I chose not to continue with them since I have help at home. Be sure to check with your policy and get your medical team on your side. It helps me that my team's insurance liaison is one of my former students. ;-)

    Clearly44, so glad you got good path reports! Yay for you! Your diagnosis looks very similar to mine. Did you have/are you planning on recon? I had a simple right side mx. on 6/2. I had already had a lumpectomy with SNB on 1/7. I've had a better time with my mx than the lumpectomy. The SNB area gave me fits. Quite painful. They took out 4 nodes, not many at all compared to other ladies here. The drain with the mx was more uncomfortable across the top of my chest, just under the skin. The side area, at the entry point, was a little sore, but not bad. Just pulled from time to time at the stiches. You may want your BS to check your drain site to make sure it's okay. BTW, was a breeze having it removed when you get to that point. I found that if I sat with my back straight and well-supported and in a position where my right arm wasn't too close to my side, I was more comfortable. I also used my right arm only minimally, enough to keep my shoulder from tightening up, but not enough to produce a lot of fluid. I, too, have felt some tightness in my chest. I can feel the tissues underneath pulling a bit. I try to be careful to stand up straight with my shoulders back and down. I used oxycodone+ acetaminophen for a couple of days after surgery then switched to Tylenol. I have days when I'm more sore than others. But we all do. And, like you, mornings tend to be better. I become more sore and tired as the day progresses. Hope you're feeling better very soon.

    Laurie, glad you got that nausea under control. That's the worst kind of sick! And I agree, home is better than the hospital any day! So glad you're lymph node report came back clear! Wow, an hour on the treadmill! You've got way more stamina than I do. Glad you're feeling better today. Take it easy! And let others take care of you.

    I got myself a FitBit the other day. Decided to "join the club." If I don't have the incentive to get up and get moving, I'm likely to use my recovery as an excuse to be lazy. My DH says I should use this as an opportunity to really get into shape. Think I'll get him a FitBit, too. A little healthy competition. We're walkers/hikers, so that fits right into our current activities. Gotta work on that caloric-intake thing too!

  • clearly44
    clearly44 Member Posts: 9
    edited June 2016

    Hi Kawigirl1260,

    Thank you for your response. I am much better today. I know it is supposed to get better every day or somewhat so I thought I'd try an experiment. Since I was so much better in the morning and I could sleep all night without any medications, I thought I would try no medications today. The Norco from yesterday even made me feel loopy this morning. After lunch I started feeling really sore, so I sat down in a comfortable position and I promptly fell asleep. Well I didn't have any pain sleeping and I feel like I did in the morning. I think most of the pain and tightness has to do with muscle spasms. My drain area isn't bothering me nearly as much as it was. Yes supporting your right arm away from your body does help. Hope to get my drain out this coming Wednesday. (couldn't get the 'Bold' off

    On another note I need to put my Fitbit back on !!


  • Lunderwood
    Lunderwood Member Posts: 125
    edited June 2016

    It's great to hear how well everyone is recovering! I understands there are likely to be some bumps along the way but it certainly helps to know how others have dealt with them. I will be thinking of everyone who have surgeries pending this week. Stay strong!! Know that you have our support and positive thoughts.

    Only one question today. How does everyone handle body odor and hygiene until they are cleared to shower? I have been taking several sponge baths during the day but am totaling avoiding my incision and biopsy area. Now I have body odor - its almost medicine or chemical like in the scent. It's mostly on my mastectomy side. Could the odor be from the variety of meds? My chest is still somewhat swollen but I don't believe there is any sign of infection. I thought we might try a Father's Day outing today but don't want to offend anyone with my B.O.

    I hope my question doesn't offend anyone since it's somewhat personal. I just don't know what to worry about and what is part of normal healing.

    Laurie

  • Mom2fourplusmore
    Mom2fourplusmore Member Posts: 183
    edited June 2016

    I went Fri to see the plastic surgeon. They took several pictures. I felt extremely uncomfortable and violated. If I was going in to have an enhancement done and I was excited then maybe the "before" pictures would be ok. But I'm a private person to begin with and although I'm ok with losing them I just don't think taking pictures was ok. The Dr was ok but didn't seem to understand. She did explain the whole process and let me know that I can chose to not do it or reconstruct another time. I am still on the fence. My mind is not on this. Did anyone else have a hard time with the pictures? And did you chose to reconstruct or not and why? Thanks

  • WenchLori
    WenchLori Member Posts: 1,558
    edited June 2016

    Mom2, with my first reconstruction surgery (1985) I was very intimidated by having the pictures done. I had my DH with me and I was more relaxed than I expected to be. My first visit to my PS for BC was a piece of cake for me. If you look at your PS as being a professional doctor and think of how many women they have done procedures on it doesn't seem so personally violating. I actually appreciated my PS taking pictures or I never would have realized how much weight I've gained or how sad my poor droopy boobs have gotten over the years! The worst for my was when we were trying to see how much stretch I have in the breast skin. Once I started participating with him and helping him get measurements and things I was very relaxed. I feel that if I take part in the exams I'm more of a person to the docs instead of just another patient. To put it an easier way, I feel more of a person and not just a piece of meat to be lifted, stretched and measured. I'm not sure if this helps you at all? I'll get copies of the pics that my PS took to add to the medical records I'm putting together. My DH is a chronic documentor, he'll be taking pictures for me all thru this ordeal with BC. I'm also thinking the picture taking is going to be a breeze compared to what's coming up for all of us here!

  • Mom2fourplusmore
    Mom2fourplusmore Member Posts: 183
    edited June 2016

    Lori, You are so right about this being the easy part. I just didn't appreciate the pictures. For me it was just wrong. I'm not in a position where I'm excited to change my looks and I'm finally getting an improvement done. This just felt like on top of all the pain I'm about to endure I also lost my dignity. I don't mind exams. I just don't like pictures. I'm old fashioned

  • Maya15
    Maya15 Member Posts: 323
    edited June 2016

    Lunderwood, for the hygiene question, I was told I could have a shallow bath (water well below drains/incision etc). That takes care of the lower body. My hospital gave me bath wipes for the upper body, they're also sold in pharmacies. They are moist and impregnated with soap that you don't have to rinse. I used those gently at the mastectomy site and armpit as well. The chemical odor might be because they paint you with antiseptic stuff in the OR before surgery, so if you haven't cleaned the mastectomy side, it's still there. Skin did start peeling on upper body and arms and I used an exfoliator for that, but not in the surgery area. And yes, the first shower felt wonderful!

    For the photos, I thought of it as a medical necessity: the PS job is to make you look as close as possible to what you were before (if that's what you want). Since reconstruction takes several stages, once you've had the mastectomy that's all they have to refer back to. If it's any comfort, from what I've seen they tend to store these photos without your face, they just take the chest area, so that makes it a lot more impersonal.

  • Hopefloatsinyyc
    Hopefloatsinyyc Member Posts: 211
    edited June 2016

    I know pictures can seem like a violation, but really try not to see them that way (I know it's hard). They are simply another record of your medical progress and report for your file. You did not offer consent to use them for before/after, they simply get placed in your file much like ultrasounds and MRIs. They have internal images and they need external as well. All with the mission of having the most complete report for the most detailed and personalized care. My doc has his female assistant take the pics and he leaves the room. Which I always think is funny cause he's obviously seen and touched me before. Let's face it- this entire process just sucks.

  • jill47
    jill47 Member Posts: 351
    edited June 2016

    Mom2 - pictures are taken for insurance purposes too and may be submitted by your PS to insurance if your insurance asks for them. Sorry this news won't make you feel better, maybe worse, but I felt the same thing before my bmx but after bmx and recon my chest never felt like me. I had a new group of photos taken by my PS nurse this last week at pre-op and it didn't bug me at all. Can't wait to get these things out tomorrow and return my pec muscles where they belong.

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