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  • Wendy3
    Wendy3 Member Posts: 1,012
    edited March 2016

    GoodbyeGirl I can only go from my own experience but this flipping back and forth to the dark side is totally normal. We spend too much time there in the beginning and we learn to stay on the side of hope and light. How about when you start feeling low set an egg timer for five or ten minutes depending how crappy your feeling let in run. Recognize your feelings and then when the timer goes it's time to stop. I found the crying and at times it was bad only made me feel worse. Then I started thinking how it makes my family feel and do I want this to be my legacy. Baggy eyes and a red face ...no. I don't think the doctors know everything this disease is different for every person that has it. At their statistics I frown my husband is a scientist a physicist and he finds it very interesting how they come up with their life expectation. I just ignore that crap no doctor is going to tell me when my number is up.

    Do you have family or friends close to keep you busy? Crowds of positive folks help tremendously . Spring helps too , exercise diet. There is a ton we can do to help our body . Sorry I rambled a bit. Don't let yourself stay down its not good for you.

    Wendy

  • wambles
    wambles Member Posts: 67
    edited April 2016

    hi there

    not new to forum but new to stage IV.

    I'm in UK and really don't know what to think, do, say... Huh

    bless all here

    x

  • Bfhandley
    Bfhandley Member Posts: 7
    edited April 2016

    not sure what number I am but i was diagnosed a month ago. Original dx was 2009 idc llb 3/10 lymph nodes. I did a clinical trial with more chemo than most to see if it would help in recurrance. It didnt.

    I am now 39 and a single mom with 6 children. 3 at home. 2 out of the house grown and 1 that i had to send to his fathers house because he isnt handling this divorce or me being sick well and has been showing out more than normal(he has adhd and i believe he is bipolar or high functioning autism) His tantrums at the age of 12 are horrific and he can be so hateful.

    I feel like i cannot get a grip in my life. Many times i feel alone and wish i just had my family back even if it is dysfunctional. My oldest hasnt spoken to me in a year and still hasnt spoken to me since the diagnosis. I try to keep focus on the children that are here and especially my onky daughter thay is just 10 years old.

  • artistatheart
    artistatheart Member Posts: 2,176
    edited April 2016

    Hi Wambles, yep Stage IV just blows the breath out of you thats for sure. It is very helpful to read other women's stories here and realize life does go on and you are OK today and may be for a very long time. Take it one day at at time and find the happiness and joy wherever whenever you can. Be good to yourself and arm yourself with information as it can lessen the fear. BF, Good glory you have one tough situation. Sounds like a good decision to let Dad have the 12 year old for awhile so you have a break to get a handle on everything else. It also sounds like a good plan to just focus on your younger ones right now while you navigate all the medical necessities. Grown children can be incredibly self centered and selfish when they are starting out. Or they may just be terrified for you too and disguise it as anger to avoid the painful subject. Hopefully if you give them some space for awhile they will realize how hurtful they are being. You too need to nurture yourself and take it one day at a time. Easier said than done but you can do this. I hope things look up very soon.

  • funthing42
    funthing42 Member Posts: 418
    edited April 2016

    How do you tell what stage after youve been told still a stage 1. ????

    Ive had reccurence x 3 and cancr x 4 no nodes until Feb 2016. Pet left axilla. 3 nodes Pectoral region. 2 nodes?

    Skin mets after TCH. Locally. Sept. 2015.

    Anyways fasoldex and ibrance.


  • Longtermsurvivor
    Longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,438
    edited April 2016

    Hi Funthing,

    This is a weird sort of technical question that I finally got answered.

    My understanding is that you're now Stage I with metastatic disease...here are the arcane details that probably don't interest anyone but those who count and want to separate those diagnosed Stage IV at the outset and those whose cancer later recurs.

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/8/topics/...

    Be sure to check out the faslodex and Ibrance topic, if you haven't already been there –

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/8/topics/...

    well wishing, Stephanie

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited April 2016

    What's crazy about the different terminology used for metastatic recurrences (and Stephanie is correct, although "Stage IV" is commonly used, even by oncologists and here) is that it seems to have prevented us from getting a true handle on how many women are actually living with mbc. In other words, those dx'd out of the gate as Stage IV are counted, but as far as I know and often hear lamented, there is no reporting nor accurate stats when it comes to patients who recur as metastatic. This is so wrong, because it only aids in the lack of seriousness about our numbers and the need for research.

    Sorry if this is off tangent, but felt it needed to be mentioned. I wish someone would take on the task of figuring out how many truly are living with mbc, in the hopes that we can continue to shed light on the need for mbc research over pink awareness.

  • Wendy3
    Wendy3 Member Posts: 1,012
    edited April 2016

    Well said Deanna totally agree

  • funthing42
    funthing42 Member Posts: 418
    edited April 2016

    Thank you all for the response. I remember the 2009 post of mine . 4% chance reccurence cute little 0.8 cm no nodes.

    I bet no one took it as a pissed off ds. That wont stop.


  • MileHighMetavivor
    MileHighMetavivor Member Posts: 1
    edited June 2016

    I was diagnosed with Stage 4 in January after going almost 8 years between my initial diagnosis. Please add me to the list...let me know what info you need from me. Thanks!

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited June 2016

    MileHighMetavivor-

    Welcome to BCO! We're sorry you find yourself here, especially so long after your initial diagnosis, but we're glad you've joined us, and hope you find this community to be a source of support!

    The Mods

  • Bebecita
    Bebecita Member Posts: 10
    edited June 2016

    Hi to all,

    I am also Stage IV. Please add me to the list.

    We are here sharing the terrible experience of having heard the words "you have metastatic breast cancer" but we also share the emotions and fears, what makes us weak and what makes us strong through this journey. I am new to the community but I am very impressed with the support you give to one another. It is very inspiring

  • Jaci45
    Jaci45 Member Posts: 3
    edited June 2016

    Please add me to the list as well. I am new to this site but not new to this disease. I was diagnosed in Feb. 2014 with Stage 4 MBC after being in "remission" for almost 5 years. I have been fighting ever since. I have 2 Clinical Trials, 2 Gamma Knifes and 1 Hormone Therapy treatment under my belt. This week I get my third Gamma Knife and start another Chemo.

    So happy I found this site! :)



  • Wendy3
    Wendy3 Member Posts: 1,012
    edited June 2016

    Welcome Jaci there are five different pages I have joined here lots of good info and a loving resource for all those weird question nobody else gets. I'm sorry you ended up with this crappy disease but there is always hope.

    Wendy

  • roxyandtaze123
    roxyandtaze123 Member Posts: 18
    edited June 2016

    Hello to everyone!

    I was diagnosed Stage IV 2 years ago July. I was diagnosed Stage I in 1/2007. I've posted a few times in other areas, but never here. I have mets to my bones and liver. My liver is progressing and I've done 7 different types of chemos. None are working so next steps are Clinical Trials, if any are available at Northwestern Memorial Hospital.

    My question: do any of you get extremely tired and need to sleep a lot? I am in between Docs so I'm feeling very nervous right now and would love to hear any suggestions! I certainly pray, read what's latest in news and read discussion boards as much as I can. But the side effects from this disease is making me go crazy!

    Bev

  • Wendy3
    Wendy3 Member Posts: 1,012
    edited June 2016

    Bev I'm so sorry you are in this position. Cancer is such a tricky disease and sometimes it's difficult to find the right treatment. However when you find the right one for you things will slow down and follower a more controllable path. You didn't state what type of cancer you have , that has a big impact as well. Are you following any alternative treatment? Have you changed your diet at all. I have pretty much cut out dairy (yes sadly even cheese) along with refined sugars and red meat. Better would be all meat but I'm working on that one. Supplements can have a big impact as well as CBD pills derived from marijuana this does not contain THC so you can legally purchase it all over the USA. This compound can slow the progression of metastizied breast cancer I believe.

    I was diagnosed last year May and I have bone mets literally on all my bones. I feel stronger and healthier now than I have for most of my adult life. Have you read radical remission, do you know who Chris Karr is ?

    I don't have the answers and I'm sorry if I've just repeated a bunch of stuff to you that you have already heard about. I hope there is something here you can use. Hope is so important we can never loose that. Big hug and I wish you the best.

    Wendy

  • dnmnly
    dnmnly Member Posts: 11
    edited June 2016
    1. hi wendy3 I have metastasis to bone and liver. Liver is progressing . Currently on clinical trial pill alisertib and taxol. Where is a reliable source to get cbd oil. Have you ever heard of anyone using turkey tail mushroom for immune support? I have had to halt treatment 3 times due to dangerously low wbc. Can I be eliminated from a clinical trial if they find out I am doing naturopathic treatments too ? Any help is greatly appreciated.
  • dnmnly
    dnmnly Member Posts: 11
    edited June 2016

    jaci did you have gamma knife of your liver? I have talked to my oncologists about this and chemoembolisation beads on the two larger liver lesions, but she is against because says it too risky

  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited June 2016

    Dnmnly - can you update your diagnosis and treatment information. it gives everyone context to respond.

    you can be eliminated from a clinical trial for pursuing complementary treatments. it's best to be be up front and see what they allow. some things they care about some things they do not. i would not give up my complementary therapy for a clinical trial at this time, but there a situations where i would.

    the liver mets thread has members who had done the gamma knife thing. getting rid of metastatic tumors doesn't get rid of cancer, except maybe in a specific cases. it can get rid of symptoms if you are having them. it's worth talking through what you expect to accomplish and what you can accomplish with gamma knife surgery.

  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited June 2016

    Can I be added to the list, if there is a list. Is there a list?

    >Z<

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited July 2016

    Hi to all our wonderful members!

    Just a gentle reminder that this forum is for our Stage IV members only so we do ask that you respect the reserved nature of this forum.

    If you have not been diagnosed but have questions about Stage IV Breast Cancer, you can certainly post in the following threads:

    If you are not Stage IV but have questions you may post here'

    Not diagnosed with a Recurrence or Metastases but concerned

    If you are a caregiver or family member with a stage IV diagnosis, there is also a forum entitled: For family and Caregiver's with Stage IV.

    Hugs to all,

    The Mods.

  • Wendy3
    Wendy3 Member Posts: 1,012
    edited July 2016

    dnmnly yes for sure you can be taken off a clinical trial for taking supplements. They usually have a list of what is allowed and what is not. Turkey tail is great and so is Chaga tea. So if you get all your nutrients from actual food and teas I don think they can complain. So I drink everyday a big glass of Chaga tea helps build up those low blood counts. I was told in Oregon that you can get the CBD pills pretty much at any drug store. We need to get your cancer to stop progressing and take a twenty year break eh? Good luck hope this helps.


    Wendy

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited July 2016

    Z, this has always been that -- a list and just a list of those of us living w/mets. Q & A's (as mods said) need to be directed elsewhere so that we don't lose the integrity of this list.

  • MsTee
    MsTee Member Posts: 36
    edited July 2016

    still her, living offline more than lurking on. 💕💕

  • AnimalCrackers
    AnimalCrackers Member Posts: 701
    edited July 2016

    Hi All - I don't think this "list" is being actively maintained. I thought it was only for a particular time frame as described in the seminal post by DivineMrsM:

    "This isn't meant to be an "ongoing" list. It is merely a genereal idea of how many women were both members of breastcancer.org AND stage iv at the time I originally posted this question. Please do not be upset if you don't fall into those parameters. After all, this isn't a list anyone really wants to be on. I'll continue to add names of any women who were members of breastcancer.org and who've received a stage iv diagnosis up to and including April of 2013. Just let me know if you'd like to be included."

    At any rate I think it would be a good list to update and maintain. What do others think?

  • zarovka
    zarovka Member Posts: 3,607
    edited July 2016

    Would it make sense to start a new thread and have everyone currently online post a note? This is now 3 years old.

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited July 2016

    Z, that's probably a good idea, if it hasn't been done already. But I'll leave it to Divine to weigh in. In the past, this thread wasn't so much an actual count, but more just a place to check in, especially since many of us have known each other or recognize a screen i.d. and avatar from early stage forums -- a central place to simply post that you've joined the mbc ranks, whether due to a re- or de novo dx.

    Divine, are you still keeping a list???

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited July 2016

    This isn't meant to be an "ongoing" list. It is merely a genereal idea of how many women were both members of breastcancer.org AND stage iv at the time I originally posted this question. Please do not be upset if you don't fall into those parameters. After all, this isn't a list anyone really wants to be on. I'll continue to add names of any women who were members of breastcancer.org and who've received a stage iv diagnosis up to and including April of 2013. Just let me know if you'd like to be included."


    Dlb, I still get updates to this thread.

    Animal Crackers, thanks for the abovecopy and pasting from my original post.

    Three years ago, my question was "how many stage iv members are there on this forum?"I didn't know if perhaps the information was stored somewhere, perhaps by the moderators, and maybe I'd just get a numerical answer and that'd be it.

    What happened when I posted the question was that women started answering sort of like a roll call, "Me!" "Me, too!" "Count me in." So I began a list, meant to assess at that time, April 2013, what the stage iv members were in numbers. I alphabetized the list. It came out to almost 350 women.

    Being as it is the list that it is, many of those women from three years ago are no longer with us. Many more have joined our ranks after the cut off date and so weren't added to the original list.. Do those passing and new ones joining equal each other out? I cannot say.

    If a member would like to begin a new sort of list or poll in a new thread, it certainly is fine with me. Best regards to everyone.

    ~Camille

  • gciriani
    gciriani Member Posts: 218
    edited August 2016

    There must be a better way to do the count in a semi-automatic way. I only post in two other forums of interest for my wife's condition and for sure there are many who do the same.

  • Mab60
    Mab60 Member Posts: 487
    edited August 2016

    hi everyone. I don't think there is any way it can be done via technology from the moderators. I think the discussion came up because so many of us don't fit the timeline of this thread. So Z thought about a new thread that would be all inclusive. In my opinion the new thread lets everyone step forward. There are posts on the new thread from people that have been stage 4 for a good while but have been lurking for some reason and that is their first post. It allows them to say here I am without having to get personal at this point. I have always tended to be like that myself. Much more comfortable helping by sending out messages asking people to reply to thread than to post about my cancer. Everyone is so different. Anyway, in my opinion at some point we might want to consider removing this thread to avoid confusion and keep just the 2016 thread. Something to think about

    Maryanne


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