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  • LRGO2016
    LRGO2016 Member Posts: 242
    edited June 2016

    Maya15;

    for the first week after BMX, I had significant nerve pain associated with the drains. One drain in particular was touching a nerve on a rib and every breath caused stabbing pain that went fom my chest to my back. I ended up back in the emergency room before appropriate pain meds were administered. It took a couple of days with Norco and Tylenol3 to achieve a tolerable level of comfort. Eventually either the tubing stopped pressing on the nerve or my body adapted. I stopped the strong pain meds in the second week postop. Have used OTC tylenol as needed since.

    I finally got the offending drain out yesterday, 5.5 week postop! Now I'm wrapped tight with ace bandages to prevent seroma. I'm finding the tight wrap is making my back and chest ache and it is a chore to breath. But I'm so glad to be tube free! Tonight, I take a real shower for the first time since May 4th!

    My pain now is kept reasonable with tylenol. Looking forward to my first truly pain free day postop...

    PS: Got some much needed dog hug therapy from my Golden yesterday. She LOVES to lay on top of me in my recliner and couldn't because of my drains. Now I'm drain free so she was allowed in my lap and she snuggled in and fell asleep there for over an hour! I dont remember feeling much pain as I enjoyed her full body hug! I highly recommend dog therapy!

  • NattyB
    NattyB Member Posts: 122
    edited June 2016

    Raven - amen and amen! I've kind of been introspective lately about this whole shitshow and am just trying to be in the moment. I am learning with my boys that for these first few chemos I am going to have to look and act as strong as possible so that we can jump over the pit of fear they are trying to hide. But I'm a mom and that's what we do:)

    For those of you talking about the tightness - the drains were definitely the biggest cause of nerve pain and soreness in the first 2 weeks for me too. I went to PT this past week and aside from the exercises I was given, I will also be doing some myofascial release. The PT was explaining that the myofascial tightness plus the limited ROM was contributing those nerve fire pokers that come out of the blue and take your breath away. She said that PT would help tremendously with that and to be patient, said it could take a few months. That helped to let me know it would be a long term process.

  • Valstim52
    Valstim52 Member Posts: 1,324
    edited June 2016

    Found out my terrible outer leg pain is due to me using my leg muscles to get up and down for the past two weeks. Only med that works is a muscle relaxer. It never ends.

    Now that I'm able to use my arms, the nerve/muscle pain is fading. It just took a while for it to manifest. Having a high pain tolerance did not help either.

    I'm onto rads.

  • NattyB
    NattyB Member Posts: 122
    edited June 2016

    Good luck with rads Valstim! I thought the muscle relaxer worked better for me post - op than the pain meds too. So glad that your knee didn't end up being a blood clot:)

  • MoreShoes
    MoreShoes Member Posts: 322
    edited June 2016

    Raven, I'll print this and hang it above my bed. That's what "accepting the situation" means. Thank you for posting this.

  • grandma3X
    grandma3X Member Posts: 759
    edited June 2016
    Helen - welcome to our group! I'm sitting here eating a couple of kiwis as I write this :) Love NZ - I have been several times. You are right about the up and down days, but the down days are less frequent as time goes by.

    Today is probably the first really "normal" day I've had since surgery. I took the grandkids to the beach. No swimming for me, but it was fun watching them have a good time. Before I knew it, it was mid afternoon and I realized I had not taken any pain meds (I usually have to have a Tylenol or ibuprofen by lunch). I was not in any pain, though and still haven't needed anything. It was just a week ago that I was wondering if the shoulder pain and underarm sensitivity were ever going away.

    Valstim - good luck during rads!
  • LRGO2016
    LRGO2016 Member Posts: 242
    edited June 2016

    Yeah grandma3x! It is a lovely moment when you realize you are pain free the first time. I've had the odd hour or two where I realized I had not noticed being in pain or some discomfort. These moments are indeed becoming more frequent.

    As my fills proceed, the sensations and types of discomfort I feel are changing. Now my drains are all out, the nerve pain is gone! All I feel now is the increasing tightness of my stretching muscles & TE's. I'm bound tightly with ace bandages for a week to prevent seromas. This is uncomfortable but tolerable if it works. The current discomfort is nothing compared to the drains on my nerves.

    Best news to report is I was able to SHOWER today! Holy cow did that feel GREAT!!!!! Followed that up with an hour of "dog in my lap" therapy - I felt no pain for that blessed hour of petting my sleeping pup!

    Dogs are great pain therapists!

    Hang in there ladies, I'm only 5 weeks out and things are looking up! Have hope!

  • GreyKat
    GreyKat Member Posts: 225
    edited June 2016

    Re: orange discolored skin blotches post-surgery

    Just wanted to post an update to this for the other woman who had noticed this - nearly 5 weeks out: partial scabs still on my incisions, the necrotic and blistered skin patches peeled off a while back leaving seriously ugly scars; and today the blotches of orange discolored skin peeled off the same way, only without the same kind of ugly scarring.

    Happy to have them gone; hope they don't return in a future surgery. Orange is not exactly my color.

    Still having nerve pain in my chest and hypersensitive skin. Cannot wait for that to stop although I've seen two women that have had to have more surgery to remove nerves in scar tissue that were causing constant pain - one over a year after her bilateral mastectomy/recon was complete. Let's hope it doesn't go that far...

    Glad to hear from those of you who are recovering well!

  • Papillon1
    Papillon1 Member Posts: 308
    edited June 2016

    greykat - I think your op was prophylactic wasn't it? I am Sorry you have had such a hard time. But try and remember this is short term and what you have gained is amazingly huge and will be long term

    I am constantly inspired by those of you who are now undergoing treatment. I wish you all lots of health and happiness and courage xxxx

  • Midwest
    Midwest Member Posts: 34
    edited June 2016

    Hello.

    Glad to hear from so many of you!

    GreatKat, that seems like a little bit of good news!

    Valstim52, good luck to you, I might join you soon as well, so a double hug from me!

    On Friday, I got the next to last or maybe last filling and it does hurt a lot! It is puzzling as the other ones were not painful after the day of the fill but this time it is totally different.Last week I had very minor discomfort so maybe he was overconfident this time? Just shifting in my bed hurts! It is just soo tight! Wondering if I should call his office tomorrow? I am mostly afraid of skin damage and also I would like some reassurance that it will not stay like that for months. I shudder at the thought of bumping into something or someone

    It does not help that I have a lot of packing to do as my husband and older son are flying overseas tonight to spend some time with my father during his first summer alone. So,we will be divided, a bittersweet summer: staying here with my younger son so I can continue treatment and also not flying so soon after the surgery.

    Have a nice Sunday!

  • Angtee15
    Angtee15 Member Posts: 209
    edited June 2016

    Greykat- I am just a couple days behind you and still have two inches of scab left on the right. It was oozing a little last week and the PS resident put silver something or other on it and skipped the fill. I go back Tuesday and it still hasn't stopped oozing completely. I have no fever, redness, etc. Ironically my cancer side looks great and healed lickety split!

    Anyway I was told I am probably doing too much activity with my right side which is delaying the healing. Tough since I am right handed! I started taking Vitamin C supplements and upping the protein to help.


  • StonyPony
    StonyPony Member Posts: 10
    edited June 2016

    Update- I actually found a simpler answer to having uncomfortable drain bulbs against my skin in my laundry basket- tennis socks! Easy on and off and no worries about them getting sweaty or dirty- I just toss them in the wash!

  • LRGO2016
    LRGO2016 Member Posts: 242
    edited June 2016

    Stony pony- glad you posted this suggestion

    I too discovered socks as a casing for the bulbs. I've been using short nylon ankle socks to hold the deflated bulbs inside a 6 inch wide elastic band (ace bandage) when I'm out and about. Early in my inflation stage, I could tuck the sock-clad bulbs into the cups of my sports bra to hold them secure (they gave me the appearance of breasts as an added benefit).

    My drains are out (Thank goodness ) but now I'm bound tight with ace bandages to prevent seromas - has anyone else had this binding prescribed after drain removal? It is uncomfortable for sure!

  • myToyStory2
    myToyStory2 Member Posts: 162
    edited June 2016

    The May Board was kind of quiet over the weekend - hopefully that meant we were all off enjoying activities with our friends and family! I went to a rockin' summer kick-off party/block party and it was the first chance I've had to connect with many friends and acquaintances since my surgery. It was nice to get (and give) lots of love and hugs, and to catch-up with folks. I also connected with another woman my age who went through this last year....glad to have her as a future resource and sounding board! My nurse friend was pushing me to up the proteins for healing, too, Angtee, so I tried to be more mindful of it today....although I think I generally do a decent job.

    Nice hint about the drain bulb covers, Stony. I may need those. I've had my drains for nearly a month now and I'm so sick of being uncomfortable with them! With today's output of nearly 50 cc's on each side, looks like they won't be coming out at my appointment on Tuesday. :(

  • Momof6littles
    Momof6littles Member Posts: 184
    edited June 2016

    LRGO, yes, I had ace bandage wrap after surgery, continued one week after removal of drains. I had no swelling under the bandage, but it was irritating. Especially because the edge of the bandage was just where the drain tubes were under the skin. Now I have no wrap, but I do alternate between a tight sports bra and nothing. It's funny, at first the compression feels good, then it hurts, but after I am free for a few hours, the skin sensitivity kicks in and compression feels better.

    So great to have the drains out, isn't it

  • Momof6littles
    Momof6littles Member Posts: 184
    edited June 2016

    Toystory, boo about keeping the drains. I know what a pain they are. Hang in there

  • WenchLori
    WenchLori Member Posts: 1,558
    edited June 2016

    Great idea StonyPony! I'll have to try that :-)

  • raven4mi
    raven4mi Member Posts: 562
    edited June 2016

    Hi, Helen. Welcome to the board. Sorry you have to be here, but hope you find some useful information.

    Papillon1, I can relate to your tiredeness after your parties. I hit the wine a little too much on Friday night and I'm still trying to recover. Oi. Lesson learned.

    LRGO, yay on finally getting that drain removed! Oh, trust me, I know the relief!

    NattyB, I'll be thinking of you and your boys as you go through chemo. Poor guys. But, you're right – that's what we moms do.

    Valstim52, good luck moving on to rads.

    Grandma3x, so awesome that you had fun at the beach with your grandkids. So nice to read.

    GreyKat, glad the orange skin issue is resolving itself, and it sounds like it's resolving well. Fingers crossed this is just the first step on the road to a better recovery for you.

    myToyStory2, sounds like you had a great week-end. It's so great that you found someone local with whom you can connect.

    I am just really beginning to wrap my head around what my MO said last week about my tumor being invasive and I'm just so grateful that it was so small. I've avoided chemo by a mere .3 cm. I almost waited until the fall to have my MX because I didn't want to "ruin" my summer (as I'm a recreational golfer) and I shudder to think that, had I waited, there's a chance the tumor may have grown and I would be facing chemo on top of everything else. My heart goes out to those of you who are facing further treatments. Even with all the crap I've gone through it has been worth missing one stupid season of golf in order to avoid further treatments.

  • tsoebbin
    tsoebbin Member Posts: 474
    edited June 2016

    Good Morning!

    Is it typical to do a SNB on the prophylactic breast with a DMX? I have IDC in my left breast and having a DMX June 29th and I am also scheduled for a SNB on both sides. I guess I did not expect that. Is that "normal"?

    One more question... what is the difference between a DMX and BMX?

    Thank you!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited June 2016

    tsoebbin - some people use the abbreviation DMX for double mastectomy, but I believe the more correct term is BMX, for bilateral mastectomy. A SNB can only be done if there is breast tissue present so some surgeons do bilateral SNB for a BMX even when you have unilateral cancer. Mine did, but other surgeons don't want to expose their patients to bilateral lymphedema risk without a confirmation of known cancer. Some docs will do the injection, mark the sentinel node on the prophy breast side with a clip, then wait for pathology on the prophy breast tissue. If there is no cancer, no further action and no SNB, if there is cancer they would do a second surgery and remove the marked sentinel

  • grandma3X
    grandma3X Member Posts: 759
    edited June 2016
    I just my second fill - another 50 ccs. No pain but feeling some tightness as expected.

    Tomorrow I'll be back to work full time. I'm looking forward to getting back into my research.

    Tsoebbin - I had s prophylactic MX with SNB. I think if there is cancer on one side the doctors are more likely to take nodes from the non cancer side as well. My BS was reluctant to mark them for later biopsy, and I decided I did not want to go through another surgery in case cancer was found. It was a hard decision to make. Talk with your BS about it to see what your options are.

    Raven - so good that they caught it early! Everything else takes a back seat for now, but I know we will all be through with treatments and on with our lives soon!

    StonyPony - great idea with the socks!
  • Valstim52
    Valstim52 Member Posts: 1,324
    edited June 2016

    Just came from MO and she says I'm doing too much too soon, that's why I'm having the opposite arm aches, and pain. So back to couch. My upper arms and then over the past weekend my knees were in a lot of pain. Better with muscle relaxers but sheesh.




  • HuskerFan
    HuskerFan Member Posts: 85
    edited June 2016

    Valstim, that stinks! It's so hard to limit activities, isn't it? I keep trying to remind myself to slow down and take it easy. I will admit, I am enjoying bossing my kids around! They have actually been really great helping me out with things, but I also hope they are realizing how much I actually do for them day in and day out.

  • GreyKat
    GreyKat Member Posts: 225
    edited June 2016

    Valstim - yep, sometimes you've just got to park it on the couch and rest. I know I still get worn out rather easily, but at least half that is now from my hand/arm mobility problems, and not the surgery. So basically, it gets better. My surgery instructions stressed walking to prevent blood clots and sleeping as much as possible to facilitate a faster recovery. I needed naps the first three weeks, although they got shorter as time went on.

    Anyway, take it easy. Got any movies/shows/books/puzzles/easy sewing/crafting to catch up on?

  • myToyStory2
    myToyStory2 Member Posts: 162
    edited June 2016

    Our lives and family schedules aren't really set up for us to take all the time we need to recover. It's really hard to slow down! It's hard to feel like a burden to others. It's hard to look around a messy house and not jump into action. It's hard to binge watch shows day after day or get tired of reading because you've done so much of it. Feeling your pain, Valstim! Really thought I'd be back to work 4 weeks after my surgery, but instead my complications have "complicated" my plan and I'm still in lounging mode. Sending healing thoughts to all!

    As a fellow summer-lovin' swimmer/biker/hiker who lives in WI and only gets about 4 months of my favorite weather a year, I'm right there with you Raven! I hated heading into summer with a surgery, but decided I'd rather get it taken care of now than face a potentially worse situation in the fall. I keep asking myself why I wasn't diagnosed in the middle of winter where I could just cozy up by the fireplace and huddle under sweaters and blankets as I healed. Oh well....such is life!

  • GreyKat
    GreyKat Member Posts: 225
    edited June 2016

    Haha for what it's worth big bulky sweaters would go a long way towards solving the "I look really odd in skimpy summer clothing" problems. Because who can tell what you look like up top in winter when you're wrapped in six layers and a parka coat?

  • myToyStory2
    myToyStory2 Member Posts: 162
    edited June 2016
  • Valstim52
    Valstim52 Member Posts: 1,324
    edited June 2016

    Yes Huskerfan it's so hard to 'take' it easy. I mean just going for a walk, and making my bed (which hurt my arms) oh well, back to the couch

    Greykat, I have some great things to watch on netflix and amazon. Yay. I'll just laze it out for a while longer because the muscle pain is awful when I over do it. Plus I have rads coming up, so gotta get those naps and strength back.

    I also am crocheting up a storm. It does not make my arms hurt, at least I don't think so.

  • raven4mi
    raven4mi Member Posts: 562
    edited June 2016

    Valstim52, it just sucks to be told that, doesn't it? I think it's pretty common for most of us to want to test our limits. I'm trying VERY hard to be a good patient, but when stuff's gotta get done, stuff's gotta get done!

    HuskerFan, I'm getting the same enjoyment out of bossing my kids around. Had them planting flowers for me this week-end - a first for them. Child labor is the bestest! LOL!


  • Valstim52
    Valstim52 Member Posts: 1,324
    edited June 2016

    Raven4mi and Huskerfan, it's even better when you boss them around and they are in their 30's. I'm really loving them coming and waiting on me. Between DH and DD and DS, I've really been taken care of. I'm whining now, about the pain and they are still there for me.

    That being said, we are empty nesters, and sometimes you gotta do what needs to be done.

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