has anyone had success with implants after radiation?

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jennbtwins
jennbtwins Member Posts: 4
edited October 2017 in Breast Reconstruction

I have tissue expanders in and had to have 30 radiation treatments. Has anyone had success with implants after radiation?

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  • macb04
    macb04 Member Posts: 1,433
    edited March 2016

    YES! I had 5 weeks of rads, fried me to within an inch of my life. Even burnt on my back. Wound up with radiation fibrosis so bad my skin was like boot leather, thick and woody. I had severe radiation fibrosis, everything so tight,tight, tight. Hurt to move my arm. I did several things which over the course of about a year reversed the fibrosis so my skin is nearly normal. Had fat grafting 5 times. Lost most of it to reabsorption and 2 nasty infections, butjustenough remained for an A cup. Fat grafted fat is known to help reverse radiation damage. Then I got Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy. Alot. Time consuming, but my insurance paid for it. Then I started using Pentoxifylline 400mg/cap Three times per day plus Vitamin E 400 iu/cap, twice per day. I took that for about 9 months. Look that all up in my former posts and you will see the links to the research. I have a 495cc Mentor high profile Anatomic silicone implant. It was put in, at my request OVER my pectoral muscle. Had it under my pectoral initially, but hated thatand had it removed. Much better this way. More comfortable, no ripples or motion artifact, and I have normal strength and can do push ups/kayak or whatever exercise I want without problems.

    Sorry no one else responded, hopefully some other people who had rads and an implant will respond. Good luck. You will be fine. Think outside the box like I did if you experience any problems.



  • Pinkwings
    Pinkwings Member Posts: 4
    edited March 2016

    hello I have a skin saving expander and have had radiation and my implant survived it all and now rather than a tummy or back op I have decided to have the port expander replaced with a silicone implant and an uplift to the other breast X hope this helps

  • ALH49
    ALH49 Member Posts: 17
    edited June 2016

    Hi, I'd love to keep your question alive and get some answers myself. I had a BMX with silicone implants in May 2016 (following a lumpectomy in February 2016) and was told I wouldn't need radiation if I had the BMX. But when the pathology report came back, there were still some cancerous cells in the scar tissue that had remained along my-pec wall border. The surgeons went back in three weeks later, took a whole chunk of pec muscle, and declared me cancer-free (the pathology report came back clean throughout the whole re-excision area). They are recommending no more treatment other than to go on the Aromatase inhibitor my oncologist put me on. (95% ER positive). But I decided to ask two radiation oncologists for their opinions and both recommended radiation to my pec muscle "just in case there might be some cells still hiding in it."

    My biggest aversion to that is that I now have silicone implants (nipple and skin-sparing mastectomies) that have dared to survive an oncoplastic lift, followed by a bilateral mastectomy and a re-escision surgery, all after five months of chemo. I have the feeling they will not survive a dosing of radiation "just in case", but I don't want to leave stones unturned. Wondering if there is anyone out there whose silicone implants actually survived 25 treatments of radiation and didn't require a life of pain or a gazillion corrective surgeries?

    Any stories or advice most welcome.



  • JacksGirl
    JacksGirl Member Posts: 3
    edited June 2016

    I had 26 sessions of radiation with a tissue expander, The plastic surgeon over expanded that breast in case the skin was damaged he would have extra skin. I used the expensive cream one r.o. Suggested. I think it. Was called. Miderma. I had to wait 6 months after radiation for the exchange. He said my skin had to cool down even though i never burned. I had the exchange last week. It can be done. Hugs

  • jneff
    jneff Member Posts: 4
    edited May 2017

    I see this post is old, but wondering if any of you can update. I had bi-lateral mastectomy with TE. Fills before rads, then 35 radiation treatments. Then a couple more fills. I am planning on replacing TEs with implants in July 2017 (6 months post rads). I am scared, scared, scared, because I have to go back to work August 1. I am looking for any reassurance this can be done successfully!

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited May 2017

    Hi Jneff,

    Welcome to the BCO community! We do hope you get some responses to your post here soon.

    While you wait, you may find some of the information in our main content useful in helping you make the best decision for you.

    Implant Reconstruction

    As always, we also advise you to talk with your doctor and or your surgeon about this procedure.

    Best wishes,

    The Mods.

  • Lizzie_S
    Lizzie_S Member Posts: 2
    edited May 2017

    I had radiation for triple negative BC (node negative) in 2004 following lumpectomy and radiation. 13 years later I was stunned to find myself in a repeat diagnosis, same breast, same kind (don't know about the nodes). Opted over my surgeon's objections to have a double mastectomy. since I had failed statistics twice already. Because I care full-time are for an infant and could only arrange babysitting for a month afterwards from family members, I chose the expander/implant route. Supposedly it had a six-week recovery compared to a three-month one for the tummy tuck option, for example. Well, two infections into my recovery from the surgery, it's been three months of unrelenting pain, swelling, and fluid retention in my right breast, and I haven't even had the saline implants yet. I asked the PC what was the problem? He said he thought it was the prior radiation that had disrupted the lymphatic system in that breast and also scar tissue. I was stunned and did some research, only to discover it has a very high failure rate and is not really recommended for radiated breasts. I can't live with the pain and the uncertainty that the final result will be any better. So I am having them removed and just living with flat, for the first time since I was 11. It was be a shock, but I've got to function pain free to be a good surrogate mom to this baby.

  • jneff
    jneff Member Posts: 4
    edited May 2017

    Thank you for your response. I have done the same reseach and have read the success rate isn't great. I have had no issues with the tissue expanders, but I did get them before radiation. The flap surgury is just not an option for me. I am leaning toward just going flat because I have a family to support and I don't have time to deal with complications.

  • mmtagirl
    mmtagirl Member Posts: 509
    edited May 2017

    hi all, I had TE for 18 months. Long story short there was debate between my PS and my RO on when to go to implants. We all agreed that the RO had final say. Therefore, I didn't get implants until after rads. I did get an infection a few months later but it is inconclusive on cause. Totally treatable. My implants look great. The rads side is a bit more discolored and I do have a some contracture as expected but the lay person couldn't tell. Hope this helps

  • kelleyo
    kelleyo Member Posts: 1
    edited May 2017

    Hello all,

    I did have implants after radiation 17 years ago. I had a TE placed at the time of my mastectomy at the age of 39. I had no problems with healing through A/C Taxol followed by radiation. In fact, my plastic surgeon said he would not give me implants after radiation, but luckily his partner agreed to do it, and I have never had a problem with them. I did wait about 6 months to a year after radiation before replacing the TE with silicon implants. The skin over my implant is very thin, cold, tight and nearly numb, and they aren't perfect, but I am happy to have them covering my bony chest. In the end, I don't know if I would have gotten a better result with a flap? I didn't have enough extra flesh to move around and, at that time, I didn't want to be carved up any more.


  • jneff
    jneff Member Posts: 4
    edited May 2017

    Thank you mmtagirl an kelleyo, your posts are much appreciated. My PS wants to do DIEP flap and I just can't do it! I am like kelleyo, I don't want any additional trauma to my body. My PS says I am taking the "easy way out" with the implants; however, he did warn me my breasts may not look just alike.

  • 2yorkies
    2yorkies Member Posts: 24
    edited May 2017

    HI Jnff! Just wanted to share my story with you. Had Bil. Mastectomy with axillary node dissection of left side Nov. 2016. Completed 33 radiation tx on 3/4/17. Had my expanders exchanged to implants on 3/21/17. Post op recovery went well, now back to yoga! My radiated breast is a bit smaller, but cant tell with a bra on. Also, I am 63 and feel great!

  • jneff
    jneff Member Posts: 4
    edited May 2017

    2yorkies,

    Thank you! This is wonderful news! I pray you continue to do well with your implants. Your response really helped ease my mind.

    I can already tell with the tissue expanders my radiated breast just doesn't look the same as the other breast. They also had to remove some muscle on the cancer side to get clear margins so it's smaller and a little less round, but I can live with different sized breasts! Lol!


  • Imkopy2
    Imkopy2 Member Posts: 265
    edited June 2017

    jneff

    I had a BMX, TE, Chemo & 28 rounds of radiation. I finished my radiation 12/7/16 and Im happy to say I had my silicone implant exchange on 3/8/17. I am meeting with a different PS for nip reconstruction, it can definitely be done it really depends on your skin and how it holds up. Mine did really well so my surgeon was comfortable doing the exchange earlier, other surgeons wait. One thing that has helped me is to do my stretches daily in the shower. There are a few women Molly 50 and Leslineva who also had silicone implants/rads. Look on the exchange thread and PM them with questions. Leslienva just had nip recon and I reached out to her with questions, she was awesome. Best of luck to you.

  • Lula73
    Lula73 Member Posts: 1,824
    edited June 2017

    based on the stats for failure of implants after previous radiation I opted for DIEP flap recon right out of the gate and am very happy with the results. Just to clarify on the recovery time mentioned by a previous poster for DIEP flap - its not 3 months. It's more like 4-6 weeks for most activities. You can lift more than 10lbs 4 weeks out and can go back to work as early as 6 weeks out. 3 months is the minimum amount of time between stage 1 and stage 2 surgeries with stage 1 being the major procedure and stage 2 being much more minor with average recovery time of 1 week.

  • macb04
    macb04 Member Posts: 1,433
    edited June 2017

    i didn't see anyone besides me commenting on Fat Grafting. It really, really helps rehabilitate radiated skin. It improves the microvascular circulation, which is the defining criteria in how well radiated skin is able to tolerate implants. Using Dopler Studies, they have been able to show improved blood flow after getting fat grafting in radiated skin.

  • Sunrisefish
    Sunrisefish Member Posts: 67
    edited June 2017

    Hi gals, thought I'd chime in. I also have implants after radiation. Had lumpectomy and radiation in 2015. Just had skin and nipple sparing BMX on May 17th with direct anatomical shaped gummy implants placed over the muscle. So far so good. I have full feeling in the skin in both breasts. Nipples both numb. Non radiated side has full erectile function. Radiated nipple has partial function. I plan to do fat grafting down the road to stabilize the radiated side, reduce the chance of cspsular contraction and fill in the upper pole. From what my PS says they are becoming more successful all the time with implants after radiation.


  • meg2016
    meg2016 Member Posts: 287
    edited June 2017

    macb04 - you don't have any articles or studies about this do you? I've been talking with my ps about fat grafting, would love all the information I can get to help decide.

  • Goldfish
    Goldfish Member Posts: 11
    edited June 2017

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4461711/


    Science has yet to identify any association between autologous fat grafting and increased breast cancer recurrence (37-40). Furthermore, current studies have reported excellent aesthetic outcomes, a high degree of patient and surgeon satisfaction and overall a low rate of complications (38,41). More than just filling contour defects, autologous fat grafting fundamentally changes the quality of the overlying skin envelope especially in setting of radiation (42). Pre-clinical studies have shown reversal of radiation-induced dermal fibrosis and hypovascularity (43). Autologous fat grafting has proven to be a valued tool in breast reconstruction, which has revolutionized surgeons' abilities to camouflage the prosthetic devices allowing for reconstruction of a natural breast.

    Radiation therapy has become a mainstay in breast cancer treatment with more women being offer radiation treatment as studies have proven a survival benefit (44,45). This poses a challenge for reconstructive surgeons. Historically, prosthetic-based reconstruction was discouraged in the setting of post-mastectomy radiation due to the high rate of wound healing problems, implant malposition, capsular contracture, infection, extrusion of implants, and poor aesthetic outcome (46,47). However, with the adjuvant tools available including ADMs, anatomic breast implants, and fat grafting, successful prosthetic based reconstructions are now possible (48-51).

  • FLBuckeye93
    FLBuckeye93 Member Posts: 87
    edited June 2017

    The surgeons at The Center for Restorative Breast Surgery are wonderful. I had radiation prior to my BMX and SGAP surgery. I met with three plastic surgeons before consulting the Center. It is worth it to at least contact them for a free consultation. You do not have to travel there to consult

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited June 2017

    FLBuckeye - you have posted this same message on 3 or 4 threads. Will you please go to My Profile and enter your diagnosis & treatment specifications so we will be able to compare with our own progress?

    Thank you.

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited June 2017

    FlBuckeye sounds like a sales pitch to me.

  • macb04
    macb04 Member Posts: 1,433
    edited June 2017

    Hi meg2016, and all. There are studies about fat grafting improving the outcomes of Implant Reconstruction after Radiation. Here is just one of many studies about Fat Grafting.

    Adipose-tissue grafting to the post-mastectomy irradiated chest wall: Preparing the ground for implant reconstruction - L'Institut du Sein

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.idsein.fr/img/pdfs/3-376.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiVkaWL2uTUAhUs6YMKHZI5Auw4ChAWCCkwBQ&usg=AFQjCNHceUyiYO5HTPPSkl_shB_KRlSk5Q

    http://journals.lww.com/plasreconsurg/Abstract/2012/02000/Fat_Grafting_and_Breast_Reconstruction_with.5.aspxToggle navigation

    Fat Grafting and Breast Reconstruction with Implant: Another Option for Irradiated Breast Cancer Patients

    Salgarello, Marzia M.D.; Visconti, Giuseppe M.D.; Barone-Adesi, Liliana M.D.

    Plastic & Reconstructive Surgery: February 2012 - Volume 129 - Issue 2 - p 317–329

    doi: 10.1097/PRS.0b013e31822b6619

    Breast: Original Articles

    Press Release

    Background: In postmastectomy radiated patients, autologous tissue reconstruction is preferred over implant reconstruction, because the latter is associated with a higher rate of postoperative complications. Autologous tissue reconstruction, however, is not always feasible and is sometimes refused by the patient. A challenge also arises in breast-conserving surgery patients seeking breast augmentation with an implant. In this article, the authors present a further reconstructive option for irradiated breast cancer patients consisting of fat grafting followed by implant placement.

    Methods: The authors retrospectively reviewed 16 cases of irradiated breasts treated with fat grafting and subsequent alloplastic reconstruction/breast augmentation. The evaluation methods were clinical and photography-based assessments. The BREAST-Q was used to quantify patient satisfaction.

    Results: Sixteen patients, with a pretreatment Late Effects on Normal Tissues–Subjective, Objective, Management, Analytic (LENT-SOMA) score of 1 or 2, underwent two to three fat grafts to achieve a LENT-SOMA score of 0. The placement of the breast implant had been performed in a separate stage at least 3 months after the last grafting session. The average follow-up was 15 months. Reconstructive outcomes were graded from excellent to good in 93.7 percent of patients. Patient satisfaction was marked as high to very high. There were no short-term complications. A Baker grade 1 capsule contracture was found in all patients.

    Conclusions: The authors' experience shows that breast fat grafting followed by implant placement may represent a feasible reconstructive option in highly selected patients with irradiated breasts. Fat grafting seems to reduce radiation-induced complications in implants. Larger studies with a longer follow-up are needed.

    CLINICAL QUESTION/LEVEL OF EVIDENCE: Therapeutic, V.

    ©2012American Society of Plastic Surgeons


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  • Mimi321
    Mimi321 Member Posts: 8
    edited July 2017

    Did you have any problems finding a ps to do this surgery?  Do most seem knowledgeable about this procedure?

  • Lula73
    Lula73 Member Posts: 1,824
    edited July 2017

    Mimi- are you referring to find a ps to do autologous tissue recon? There are several centers that do that type of recon across the nation. The one with the most experience, has pioneered the latest techniques, works on you as a whole during stage 2 (focusing on all surgical areas and the outcome from stage 1 vs just focusing on your breasts), has the lowest failure and infection rate nationally is the center for breast reconstruction surgery in New Orleans. Women travel from literally all over the world to have them do their surgery. Comparing their before and after pics to other centers' pics is no contest. There are many women on this board who are very happy with their results including me. heres their website link: www.breastcenter.com


  • Mimi321
    Mimi321 Member Posts: 8
    edited July 2017

    Lula, I am interested in fat grafting with an implant after radiation.  I am wondering, since this seems to be a fairly new technique, if most ps are skilled and experienced in this type of reconstruction.  I feel like some of them wouldn't do it.  I've had two  ps tell me they wouldn't put an implant in for me.  But the fat grafting before the implant could improve things.  




  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited July 2017

    Mimi - I believe you'll have to look around to find a PS who is truly experienced in fat grafting.

  • Lula73
    Lula73 Member Posts: 1,824
    edited July 2017

    Mimi- give the center a call and ask them about it. I know they do a hybrid recon with an implant for women who don't have enough for complete recon. They can also tell you what kind of success rate you're looking at with that option. Phone consult with themdoes not cost anything.

    If they don't have any answers for you, there's a dr in Miami - google plastic surgeon Miami brava. From my research that would be my 2nd choice.

  • Mimi321
    Mimi321 Member Posts: 8
    edited July 2017

    Thank you very much for the helpful information!

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