Diagnosed with high grade ductal carcinoma insitu

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Olive4
Olive4 Member Posts: 84
edited June 2016 in Just Diagnosed

Hello to you all,

Finally my biopsy results came through, the waiting was so stressful.

Can anyone please help me work out what exactly the report means and what treatment options I am likely to have?

Report reads:

High grade ductal carcinoma in situ with apocrine cytology (solid and micropapillary patterns), necrosis and calcification.

Suspicious for microinvasion (A2)

Calcifications identified in benign glands.

Thanks in advance.

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  • Annette47
    Annette47 Member Posts: 957
    edited June 2016

    Basically at this point you have been diagnosed with high-grade DCIS. There is a possible micro-invasion, but that doesn’t usually change the treatment much unless it turns out to be bigger than thought. Your diagnosis is very similar to mine.

    Depending on the size of the lesion, your surgical options will most likely be either mastectomy or lumpectomy with radiation (if it is small enough to be removed entirely without overly disfiguring the breast). Because of the micro-invasion, it is likely that if you choose the lumpectomy, you will have a sentinel node biopsy done at the same time (this is what I had).

    You don’t mention your hormonal receptor status, but if your cancer is ER+, you will most likely be offered either Tamoxifen (if you are premenopausal) or one of the aromatase inhibitors (if you are post menopausal).

    Unless the invasive portion turns out to be larger than the suspected micro-invasion, chemo would not be appropriate in your case.

    Hope this helps!

  • Olive4
    Olive4 Member Posts: 84
    edited June 2016

    Thanks Annette47, that information helps. There was no mention in the pathology report about hormone status. The report was from my core biopsy. Hoping it is o.k to ask, I don't want to upset anyone but am I right in assuming that generally prognosis is good?

  • Ingerp
    Ingerp Member Posts: 2,624
    edited June 2016

    Just chiming in to say prognosis is *great*. DCIS doesn't kill anybody--it just has to be dealt with. There will likely be a more complete pathology report in a few days with ER/PR status and such.

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited June 2016

    Hi Olive:

    So far, I think it indicates Ductal Carcinoma In Situ (DCIS).

    I note the statement: "Suspicious for microinvasion"

    I do NOT believe this notation is consistent with a definitive diagnosis of microinvasion (i.e., invasive disease). The scientific literature distinguishes between DCIS suspicious for microinvasion (Smic) versus DCIS with definite microinvasion (Mic or T1mic or T1mi).

    When "suspicious for microinvasion," I believe the pathologist is saying he cannot definitively conclude that microinvasion is present, nor can he exclude its presence, because he can't quite tell.

    DCIS is an in situ disease, meaning it is entirely enclosed within the walls of the duct and has not invaded the surrounding breast tissue or stroma. As such, DCIS is a "non-invasive" form of breast cancer and is considered Stage 0 ("Tis (DCIS)").

    In contrast, a definitive finding of "microinvasion" would indicate an evident breach of the wall of the duct and the presence of "invasive" disease that size-wise is "T1mi":

    T1mi = Tumor ≤ 1 mm in greatest dimension

    "When malignant epithelial cells have breached the basement membrane and have invaded the adjacent stroma to a depth of 1 mm or less, [then] microinvasion (MI) is said to be present. This can take the form of single cells or groups of cells and can occur singly in an area of DCIS or can occur at different points along the affected duct system [22]. When MI is multifocal the size of the individual foci should not be added together and the lesion is still staged as T1mic [23]. While it may be identified in association with all grades of DCIS it is most commonly seen with high-grade lesions. Definitive diagnosis may be problematic in cases of high- grade DCIS with extensive cancerization of lobules or cases with a prominent stromal lymphocytic infiltrate or marked stromal distortion. These difficulties can usually be resolved by the employment of a combination of additional levels, cytokeratin stains to highlight the epithelial cells and myoepithelial markers to demonstrate the presence of malignant cells beyond the boundaries of the duct space. . . "

    With a limited tissue sample, additional cytokeratin stains may not be feasible to further investigate, and one may be left in the gray area of "suspicious for microinvasion".

    I am a layperson with no medical training, so please be sure to request an explanation of what the pathologist meant by "suspicious for microinvasion."

    BarredOwl

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited June 2016

    Hi Olive:

    On this site, I found this page with illustrations to be helpful for understanding DCIS, which is confined to the inside of the ducts and is by definition "non-invasive" (has not broken through the wall of the duct into the surrounding breast tissue). Grade can be low (Grade1), intermediate (Grade 2), or high (Grade 3) and the higher the grade, the more different the cells look from normal cells. "Necrosis" means that some of the DCIS cells in the center of the duct have died. Farther down on the page there are explanations and illustrations of the terms used to describe how "clogged" the duct appears (e.g., solid).

    http://www.breastcancer.org/symptoms/types/dcis/di...

    Hormone receptors are estrogen receptor ("ER") and progesterone receptor ("PR"). Here is a short introduction:

    http://www.breastcancer.org/symptoms/diagnosis/hor...

    If you have only received a top-line summary of the pathology report, be sure to obtain a copy of the complete report (and any addenda or supplements with ER and PR testing). You can download and print the .pdf pamphlet "Your Guide to the Breast Cancer Pathology Report" at the bottom of this page, which can be helpful:

    http://www.breastcancer.org/symptoms/diagnosis/get...

    Please note that the pamphlet is very comprehensive, and not all tests are appropriate for all conditions. For example, with a biopsy, estrogen receptor ("ER") and progesterone receptor ("PR") status should be assessed for ductal carcinoma in situ ("DCIS"), but HER2 status is not routinely assessed. Also, some tests are often done later (if indicated) after full surgical pathology is available (e.g., Oncotype testing).

    Many new members find these comprehensive posts from Beesie to be extremely helpful. You may wish to bookmark them, and return to them as you move forward to re-read, because it is a large amount of information to absorb!

    A layperson's guide to DCIS (original post):

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/68/topics/790992?page=1

    Lumpectomy vs Mastectomy Considerations (see Jun 20, 2013 post from Beesie:)

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/91/topics/806452?page=1#post_3598134

    So far, this appears to have a very favorable prognosis as noted by others.

    BarredOwl

  • windingshores
    windingshores Member Posts: 704
    edited June 2016

    Yes overall this is a "good" diagnosis, relatively speaking. Does anyone know if it will be easier to tell whether there is microinvasion after surgery, from the post-surgery pathology?

    p.s. I got my full pathology results by going online and accessing the patient portal. For the one hospital that did not have it, I actually went to medical records in the basement.  I had trouble getting them directly from doctors!

  • Olive4
    Olive4 Member Posts: 84
    edited June 2016

    Thank you all for your replies. BarredOwl you are a wealth of information. I am beginning to slowly gather information so I can start to understand what everything could mean.

    I have 2 pages of the report and the pathology report stated that it was the final report. I have an appointment already set up with a breast surgeon so I will have to ask about the hormone receptor status. I am understanding that sometimes IDC is found with DCIS? Breast cancer sure is complicated!

    Am I correct in understanding that treatment would often be a lumpectomy or mastectomy and radiation for DCIS?

    I seem to be getting overwhelmed with reading information!

    Thanks again.

  • proudtospin
    proudtospin Member Posts: 5,972
    edited June 2016

    your diagnosis sounds much like mine, i did all suggested by my doc, lumpies, rads and then med

    All clear and no sign of the nasty stuff and it is 8 years

    Good luck

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited June 2016

    Hi Olive:

    The majority of DCIS patients elect to treat DCIS with surgery at a minimum. The most common surgical treatment plans for high grade DCIS are:

    (a) Lumpectomy plus radiation; or

    (b) Mastectomy with sentinel node biopsy, typically without radiation

    Many patients with DCIS can be treated by mastectomy without radiation, and this is one factor behind this choice. In limited cases, findings from the surgical pathology or sentinel node biopsy may lead to a recommendation for radiation.

    Yes, IDC is sometimes found along with the DCIS. According to the American Society of Clinical Oncologists (ASCO), in women diagnosed with apparently pure DCIS by minimally invasive biopsy (e.g., stereotactic core-needle biopsy), invasive cancer is reported in 10% to 20% of cases overall, approximately half of which are limited to microinvasive cancer.

    Thus, the results of the surgical pathology are key. In my case, following mastectomy, a 1.5 mm invasion (IDC) was found, which made me Stage IA (node-negative), but it did not change my treatment plan.

    I felt a lot better once I had a chance to speak with the breast surgeon, and had a better idea of what I was dealing with.

    BarredOwl

  • Olive4
    Olive4 Member Posts: 84
    edited June 2016

    Thanks Iris, that's great to know. So pleased you are doing well now.

  • Olive4
    Olive4 Member Posts: 84
    edited June 2016

    Oh my BarredOwl it is complicated! So along with DCIS I could also have IDC and that IDC could have spread? My mind is full of questions and what ifs! There is so much to learn! It is exhausting!


  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited June 2016

    Hi Olive:

    The flip side of that statistic is that most of the time (80-90%), the diagnosis remains pure DCIS. :)

    I hope you can take the evening off, and get some rest tonight.

    BarredOwl

  • Olive4
    Olive4 Member Posts: 84
    edited June 2016

    BarredOwl, I am hoping I can take the evening off for my own sanity and yours! Lol!

    Last question of the evening (hopefully), so if it is microinvasion (which has yet to be determined), would that then mean I have IDC too or does that depend on the size of the microinvasion?

    Hopefully no more questions tonight!

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited June 2016

    Hi Olive:

    If invasion with "ductal" histology is found in addition to the DCIS, then the person has IDC also, regardless of the size of the invasion (microinvasive or larger).

    When microinvasion (Tumor ≤ 1 mm) is found along with DCIS, the diagnosis is often referred to as "DCIS with microinvasion" or "DCIS-MI". However, the presence of invasion means it is no longer considered "Stage 0" disease.

    A microinvasion (T1mi) is usually node-negative (N0) local disease (M0) and is considered Stage IA (T1 N0 M0).

    BarredOwl

  • Olive4
    Olive4 Member Posts: 84
    edited June 2016

    Thanks BarredOwl, taking Ativan later and going to sleep hopefully! Thanks again!

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