Exercise and well being during chemo and radiation

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  • Moondust
    Moondust Member Posts: 510
    edited June 2016

    ksusan, I hope you feel better soon. I just got done with two weeks of fever, bronchitis and no energy, so you have my full sympathy!

    CJ, part of my right meniscus is gone too. And my "good" left knee is getting looser and less stable with age. I have to take it slower going downhill than people with good knees. I always carry hiking poles, but unless the footing is bad I don't normally use them going downhill. The muscles that support my knees have gotten pretty strong with all the up and down hills that I do. But they are not perfect, so when necessary I pop a big Vitamin I (ibuprofen) to help out. Did you know that your glutes are the most important muscles for supporting your knees? I learned this at physical therapy before and after knee surgery. So I still do my "clams" and my "donkey kicks" to strengthen the glutes.

    Good job on the bike ride, azrescue!

  • Andraxo
    Andraxo Member Posts: 410
    edited June 2016

    Not sure why I thought it was a good idea to do a half marathon this early after cancer tx when I'm still having joint and muscles problems and wicked Achilles tendonitis. Crazy! By mile 3 my right hip felt pretty awful, but there were these great drummers (huge tribal type drums) along the course around mile 3 and they are always motivating. By half-way I debated dropping out because I was limping a bit from the pain (hip and knees), but hey it's just pain right? Onward! (with much cursing and significant slowing down). Hearing the drummers again on the way back was the best - love them! F@$! cancer, I did it!! A few seconds under 2 hrs. Cardiovascularly I felt great! I was limited musculoskeletally (as I am with everything these days). Still hoping that improves over time, but not sure since it started with an antibiotic reaction back in December, so it could be permanent from what I've read. Plus...I know I have a hip labral tear and a little hip degeneration and was thinking about doing something about it late last summer, but then breast cancer took center stage.

    Thankfully my next half marathon isn't until the end of the summer, last weekend in August in Durango. In the meantime, I'll consider finding an orthopedist within a day's drive that handles hips with labral tears... someone who will treat me like an athlete. Seeking a platelet rich plasma injection. Stem cell injection would be better, but I don't think anyone in the US is really doing them outside of clinical trials yet. Or...I might just wait and see how the rest of the summer goes, if it improves.

    Having a fat grafting procedure on June 22nd. It will be WAY earlier than expected at 2 months post rads but apparently there are benefits to getting some non-radiated tissue into the radiated area early. I won't notice much difference in how I look (will still be flat and fabulous!) - that's not what it is for - but if it the post radiation tissue fibrosis will be less because of it, I'll take it! Nervous about it though.

    Keep rocking some great exercise fabulous women! As always....you inspire!! :)

    - Andra xo

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited June 2016

    Congrats on your run!

  • Italychick
    Italychick Member Posts: 2,343
    edited June 2016

    Andraxo, yes, congratulations on your run! By any chance do you have tendon issues related to Cipro or Levaquin (the fluoroquinolone family)? That happened to me in 2011 and has mostly resolved.

    Ksusan, hugs, sorry you are sick. Totally sucks!

    moondust, makes sense about the glutes. Since I started bike riding, I have a bigger butt and left knee pain that I had has gone away


  • littleblueflowers
    littleblueflowers Member Posts: 2,000
    edited June 2016

    Hi there fit sisters! Just checking in- looks like you all are trucking along and doing great! Andra, nice work on the race! I'd expect to be in pain from taxol for at least a year. Turmeric helped me a lot, if yr into that kind of thing. Yay on the fat grafting! I just had it done, and holy crap, it pretty much instantly resolved my cording and pain issues from radiation. Yr gonna love it. Anyway, my field season is picking up again, so I'm getting almost enough exercise. Getting in a few two a days on office days, but I need motivation to do more upper body! Until then, flow yoga twice a week is making a big difference. Tally hooooooooo

  • CJSharma
    CJSharma Member Posts: 464
    edited June 2016

    Andra - way to push through and get 'er done! Nice job! Hopefully the muscle pain is temporary. Fingers crossed for you!

    Ksusan - hope you are feeling better!

    Moondust - thanks. It does make sense that getting out an hiking is the best way to build the strength. And also about the glutes. My current rotation works the glutes, but I think I need to take Italy's suggestion and get my butt on my bike. I had the best glutes when I was pushing up the big hills around here.

    LBF - Thanks for the tip on turmeric. My local CSA offers it, so I'll order some fresh from them.

    More long walks and barre work. I clothes at the office for the gym, so I'm hoping to get in a 30-45 minute spin ride. I have some Sufferfests on my phone - so I can ride to one of those.

  • Andraxo
    Andraxo Member Posts: 410
    edited June 2016

    Yes Italychick - it was a fluorquinolone reaction. My oncologist blamed the chemo, but I was doing very well on chemo and exercising normally for months already. I took Levo while on vacation in Panama, just as preventive for infection since I was out of the country. I knew about the risk of Achilles rupture and it did make my chronic Achilles tendonitis must worse, but I was not expecting all the other muscle, tendon, and joint problems throughout my legs, and my shoulders were problematic for a while too. I didn't realize it was from the drug while i was taking it...so I kept taking it when I should have stopped. My legs were swollen for months after as well. It all started with that drug, but oncologists were very dismissive about it. I work in a hospital and we just received a notice about more FDA warnings a few weeks ago and stating they are investigating it. I'm hopeful it will improve more, but I am impatient and also worried my legs will be like this forever. Likely oncology will just blame tamoxifen in the future, instead of realizing it is still from the fluroquinolone.

  • Andraxo
    Andraxo Member Posts: 410
    edited June 2016

    Thanks for the info littleblueflowers! I had terrible cording almost immediately after surgery back in Sept and it was awful for months (you could see it going down my torso/ribs and to my wrist!) but it is pretty much resolved now. I do however feel that the entire radiated region is feeling fibrotic/stiff (no pain though). I'm working on it a ton (I'm a PT, but initially I went to see a specialist PT for it since I couldn't treat it myself with only one hand free) but it just feels so different than my other side. Hoping the fat grafting helps that like you said!! :)

  • CJSharma
    CJSharma Member Posts: 464
    edited June 2016

    Andraxo - I've been meaning to tell you - I'm jealous of where you live! I lived in Albuquerque for a couple of years and absolutely loved it. I'm in sales and my territory was the state, so I got to travel around and see a lot of it. I think I've hiked and mountain biked most of the corners. I know Albuquerque is nothing like where you are, but I spent a lot of time in the 4 Corners area as well.

  • Andraxo
    Andraxo Member Posts: 410
    edited June 2016

    You know it CJSharma!! The 4 corners region is spectacular! All my cancer care was in Santa Fe so I've been back and forth there a lot for the past year. I used to have a home in SW Colorado for 13 years that I would go to on weekends (work on the Navajo Rez during the week) until I sold it 14 months ago. Looking for a new home, but can't decide where out here. Giving myself more time to sort it out. :)

  • CJSharma
    CJSharma Member Posts: 464
    edited June 2016

    I'm a Tony Hillerman fan and have been since I got my first Hillerman book while in State College, PA for an office gift exchange, and had wanted to see the Southwest for ages. When I finally moved there, through a series of interesting events, just seeing all of the scenery from the books in person was amazing. Not to sound hippy dippy, but there is magic in places in New Mexico and spots that do not feel like anywhere else I've been (and I've traveled a lot). I would go to a place and research hiking and biking trails. Always had my mountain bike and hiking boots in the car. I miss those days. :)

  • Moondust
    Moondust Member Posts: 510
    edited June 2016

    Oh, me too, I love Tony Hillerman and New Mexico! I have been to the Santa Fe area on business years ago but never to hike. Lately I've read all the Walt Longmire books, which are set in Wyoming and also great. But NM is my favorite, for the food too!

    Andra, congratulations on finishing your race, and in such a decent time too. I hope your joints and tendons don't suffer too long because of the effort! What a pain having all those SEs from the shot you got. I sure hope it resolves, but I know only time will tell.

    My first chemo will be on Wednesday. I am anxious to see how it goes.


  • Katjadvm
    Katjadvm Member Posts: 137
    edited June 2016

    I wanted to say thank you to all the strong women on this thread. Reading about your workouts has gotten my butt back in the gym. Looking forward to getting stronger and leaner!!

  • Italychick
    Italychick Member Posts: 2,343
    edited June 2016

    Andraxo, for what it's worth, n=1 and all disclaimers, my husband put me onmagnesium and Benfotiamine to deal with the Levaquin damage. It helped tremendously. Hang in there, and I hope things resolve for you.

    Oh and ask for Keflex if you need other antibiotics. I take that one with no reactions at all. So maybe it would work for you.

  • Andraxo
    Andraxo Member Posts: 410
    edited June 2016

    Thanks Italychick! I took magnesium for a while, but I don't think it was making a difference so I stopped taking it. I've not heard of Benfotiamine, but will look into it. Onc later gave me Clavamox if any infections came up for the rest of chemo but chemo ended late February. Just bummed I took something so awful prophylactically...it wasn't to treat any infection. Wish I looked into it before the trip and asked for something else...so stupid of me since I investigate everything else. There are horror stories on-line.

    I worked out hard through chemo and radiation even when it left me in tears...which only happened after the Levo drug. If how I feel was from chemo I think it would have cleared by now (3.5 months post chemo). Most people would see that I just ran a half marathon in 2 hours and think that was great and I must be "back to normal", and in some ways it really was fantastic (a big fat F#$! cancer!! heck yeah!), but it didn't feel great. Usually I feel strong in races. Now I spend every run fighting pain and wondering why my legs don't have any push, wondering why they don;t feel "right". I'll keep pushing. I'm nowhere near where I was before cancer tx, but I do recognize that my during cancer and post cancer ability is so much higher than most cancer free people my age and younger. That is true for ALL of us!! we...are...amazing!

    xo

  • Italychick
    Italychick Member Posts: 2,343
    edited June 2016

    I'm hoping the leg feeling you are having is still from chemo. My legs felt like they were encased in concrete. I think it is related to red blood count, etc., but not 100% sure. 3 and 1/2 months may not be enough recovery time yet, so give it some more time. I switched to bike riding because it was what I could consistently do during chemo, and after. I also used ionic gold and lugols iodine. It takes a long time to get the fluorine out of the tissue, so you may not have taken the magnesium long enough.

    If you want any more information, just message me. I know it sucks, having been there myself.

  • Andraxo
    Andraxo Member Posts: 410
    edited June 2016

    Thanks Italychick - giving me hope! Started back on magnesium this morning. :)

    Lifted weights and did some plyo this morning. It's what I do every other day since running daily isn't good for my body and not well rounded for a fitness regimen anyway. Took the dogs for a mile, but I don't count that. Love being out with my girls!! Off to work, I'm back on 10 hour days. Heading out on a road trip Friday to Oregon - Hooray!

    - xo

  • Italychick
    Italychick Member Posts: 2,343
    edited June 2016

    Road trip - super cool!

    By the way, I have been to Moab and Ouray like a dozen times, my favorite vacation spots!

  • CJSharma
    CJSharma Member Posts: 464
    edited June 2016

    Good luck tomorrow, Moondust! Thinking of you!

    Kat - welcome. I love the women on this thread as well. So strong and caring. I feel like an imposter mostly, but I want to get there. :)

    Andraxo - Hope the magnesium does the trick. I would agree that even though I'm not where I was, I'm still more fit than the majority of people, so I'm lucky.

    I found a Spinerval I don't have on Youtube and did that one. It's an old one - the hair styles are a trip, but as always the workout was a good one. Spinervals 3.0 - Suffer-o-Rama. My bum is on fire. :D

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited June 2016

    CJ, any time you feel like an impostor, walk for 10 minutes. That's all this club requires!

  • Italychick
    Italychick Member Posts: 2,343
    edited June 2016

    Or 5.....everything counts!

  • Katjadvm
    Katjadvm Member Posts: 137
    edited June 2016

    Walked my goofy foster hound dog this morning for 30 minutes and my shins were burning today. Trying to walk every day and to add in weights now. Have lost some muscle mass on AC. Tingly hands and feet, but still able to exercise on Taxol thus far.

    CJ: thanks for the encouragement

  • Moondust
    Moondust Member Posts: 510
    edited June 2016

    Good for you, Katja! Do what you can do.

    I had a workout with my trainer today. If I felt any pulling in the port area, we substituted a different exercise. Tomorrow I get the port re-checked and hope I'll be cleared for full activity. Then I'll be heading over to my first chemo treatment.

    I decided to keep going to my weekly workouts through chemo unless I feel really bad or have an elevated temperature. The gym is set up just for one-on-one training, so there are a very limited number of people using it. At the time I go for my workout, I am the only one using the equipment and no one else is in the locker room either. My trainer is willing to wipe down each piece of equipment right before I use it. I think it is probably a much cleaner environment than my house :)

  • CJSharma
    CJSharma Member Posts: 464
    edited June 2016

    Kat - I love that you foster! Thank you! And yes, everything counts. :) Great job with the walk, I'm sure the goofy hound loved it, too. I have Aussies, so I blame them for inability to go a day without a long walk.

    Moon - good luck today!! Are you getting the Nuelasta shot after infusion? My MO doesn't even worry about my handling cat litter. I've been fine. I think it makes sense to plan to continue with your current regime. Why plan for failure?

  • octogirl
    octogirl Member Posts: 2,804
    edited June 2016

    Good luck today, Moon! Will be thinking of you

    Octogirl

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited June 2016

    Even slow walking during chemo can be very effective for increasing energy, regularizing your gut, decreasing neuropathy, and general wellness. Water, coconut oil, and walking--a great combination!

  • Moondust
    Moondust Member Posts: 510
    edited June 2016

    Thank you for all the well-wishes and good thoughts! I felt like you were all there with me today. I am done with the first treatment. It was not too bad. The worst part was the needle stick into my port. Despite the lidocaine cream and a numbing spray it hurt like a son-of-a-gun. The nurse said next time try more cream, put it on earlier, and cover with a plastic thing she gave me. I have been eating small meals. My stomach is in a little knot but I don't feel nauseous. I got my steps done and I'm finally getting sleepy even with all these steroids. I should drink more before bed but it already feels like my eyeballs are floating.

  • CJSharma
    CJSharma Member Posts: 464
    edited June 2016

    Moondust - thanks for the update!! So happy to hear you're feeling pretty good and even got your steps in!! Good job with the water, too.

    Ksusan - thank you for the reminder. I think that exercise - anything - is so beneficial during chemo. And walking is a great way to get it - and you get your vitamin D if you walk outside. I love starting my morning with a nice walk.

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited June 2016

    Sorry the insertion hurt. Try the EMLA an hour before and do cover it. You can use Press n Seal to covet it as well (sticks better than Saran Wrsp). Fun fact: This combo turns out to work well for electrolysis as well!

    Hydration is great and will also help flush out the vhemo. Easy exercise still counts. I did slow treadmill during chemo. Hope you feel okay enough!

  • Andraxo
    Andraxo Member Posts: 410
    edited June 2016

    One down Moondust!! You got this!

    Any exercise during chemo is great... Sometimes that daily exercise is the best part of the day or week! :)

    - xo

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