Aromasin and Supplements - any known interactions?

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Hi All! I've been taking aromasin for a year now. I'm also on several supplements recommended by my MD/Functional Medicine doctor. I'm starting to wonder if anything I'm taking could be interfering with the Aromasin's effectiveness. Any ideas? I am taking Vit D3, curcumin, B complex, Multi-Vit, Mg, probitotic, fish oil. THANKS!



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  • MeToo14
    MeToo14 Member Posts: 493
    edited March 2016

    Luckylegs I too am interested in what others have to say on this subject. I am taking the same supplements as you and never thought about if they could keep the aromasin from doing its job.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2016

    I have done some general research on interactions with aromasin. Found very few, but here is one link that claims one major drug interaction and 107 more moderate interactions.

    http://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/exemestane,aromasin.html

    Grapefruit and grapefruit juice seem to be a no-no with any AI or hormonal therapy.

    There isn't really that much out there for aromasin interactions, which makes me believe perhaps there aren't as many restrictions as with other AIs. My signature line says arimidex, but I'm on aromasin now. I should change that info!

    Claire


  • abigail48
    abigail48 Member Posts: 1,699
    edited March 2016

    does this mean that grapefruit and grapefruit juice are the most curative

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2016

    Abigail48, ????

    Not sure I understand your question. I don't know of anything "most curative", if you're referring to breast cancer. It just means when you take certain drugs and eat grapefruit, the drug you take can lose some effectiveness for whatever disease you're taking it for.

    Claire

  • luckylegs64
    luckylegs64 Member Posts: 47
    edited May 2016

    Thank you Claireinaz, for the feedback!

  • gemini4
    gemini4 Member Posts: 532
    edited May 2016

    I'm too lazy to google, but my understanding of grapefruit interaction is it competes for the same enzyme(s necessary to process the uptake of certain medicines.

  • gemini4
    gemini4 Member Posts: 532
    edited May 2016

    also, in response to the OP, I would imagine that any supplement that acts like estrogen (soy derivatives, etc) would be off-limits while on any AI

  • Longtermsurvivor
    Longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,438
    edited May 2016

    This article might be helpful:

    http://foodforbreastcancer.com/articles/breast-can...

    excerpt:


    Breast cancer diet during aromatase inhibitor treatment

    Aromatase inhibitors are designed to inhibit the action of the enzyme aromatase, which converts androgens into estrogens by a process called aromatization. Aromatase inhibitors include Femara(letrozole), Arimidex (anastrozole), and Aromasin (exemestane). Aromatase inhibitors generally are used for estrogen receptor positive (ER+) breast cancer in postmenopausal women.

    Since the growth of ER+ (i.e., estrogen sensitive) breast cancer is promoted by estrogen, decreasing the production of estrogen in the body is designed to suppress recurrence. (Whereas aromatase inhibitors block the production of estrogen, tamoxifen interferes with a tumor's ability to use estrogen.) There are some foods that also inhibit aromatase and other foods that increase aromatase or otherwise interfere with aromatase inhibitors. Please also see our article on the latest research concerning the impact of endocrine treatment on breast cancer prognosis.

    Aromatase inhibitors normally are not used to treat breast cancer in premenopausal women unless accompanied by ovarian function suppression since inhibiting aromatase does not effect the production of estrogen by the ovaries (which is the most abundant source of estrogen in premenopausal women). To the extent that an aromatase inhibitor did decrease the production of estrogen in a premenopausal woman, the decrease would tend to stimulate the ovaries to increase androgen production, thereby neutralizing the effect of the aromatase inhibitor.

    Weight gain after breast cancer diagnosis has been shown to increase hot flashes in breast cancer survivors on aromatase inhibitors. To varying degrees, women taking aromatase inhibitors also experience side effects such as an increase in joint disorders, an increase in the incidence of fractures, and high cholesterol (especially for those switching from tamoxifen). There are some foods that can reduce these side effects while at the same time reducing the risk of a breast cancer recurrence.

    Foods that enhance the effectiveness of aromatase inhibitors

    The following foods (or major bioactive components) have been found to inhibit aromatase or to enhance the effectiveness of aromatase inhibitors and are recommended during treatment:


    Arugula
    Beans, dry
    Bell peppers
    Blackberries
    Blueberries & bilberries
    Boysenberries
    Broccoli & broccoli sprouts
    Brussels sprouts
    Butternut squash
    Cabbage
    Carrots
    Cauliflower
    Celery
    Cherries, sour
    Cilantro
    Collard greens
    Cranberries & ligonberries
    Flaxseed & flaxseed oil, organic
    Ginger
    Grapes and grape juice, red
    Horseradish & wasabi
    Hot peppers
    Kale
    Mushrooms, white button & related
    Mustard
    Mustard greens
    Olive oil, extra-virgin
    Olives
    Parsley
    Pomegranates & pomegranate juice
    Pumpkins
    Raspberries
    Rice, black, red or purple
    Tomatoes
    Turnip greens
    Turnips
    Walnuts & walnut oil
    Watercress
    Zucchini


    Foods, supplements and medications to avoid while taking aromatase inhibitors

    The following have been found to increase aromatase or reduce the effectiveness of aromatase inhibitors and should be limited or avoided during treatment:

    Alcohol
    Corn oil
    Daidzein
    Genistein
    Hesperetin or hesperidin supplements
    Hormone replacement therapy, including bioidentical or natural hormones
    I3C or DIM supplements
    Peanut oil
    Safflower oil
    Soybean oil
    Soybean paste
    Soy protein isolate
    Soybeans
    Sunflower oil
    Tofu


    Foods that safely reduce the side effects of aromatase inhibitors

    The following foods (or major components) have been shown to help reduce the side effects of aromatase inhibitors:

    Arctic char - bone loss
    Black tea - bone loss
    Blackberries - bone loss
    Carrots - bone loss
    Cherries, sour - joint pain
    Dry beans - bone loss
    Green tea - bone loss
    Herring - bone loss
    Kale - bone loss
    Lake trout - bone loss
    Mackerel - bone loss
    Olive oil - arthritis
    Oranges - bone loss
    Plums - bone loss
    Pomegranate - arthritis, bone loss
    Prunes - bone loss
    Raspberries - arthritis
    Salmon, wild - bone loss
    Sardines - bone loss
    Walnuts - bone loss

    While vitamin D might reduce joint pain and risk of fracture, one 2011 study reported that women taking vitamin D supplements during aromatase inhibitor treatment had higher circulating estrogen levels. The study results have not been replicated to date. However, it suggests that women should have their vitamin D levels tested and work with their oncologists to increase their levels, if needed, rather than taking high doses without supervision.

    Aspirin appears to be safe to take during aromatase inhibitor treatment. Women should not use copper bracelets or copper compression garments to relieve arthritis pain. Copper has been shown to contribute to angiogenesis and metastasis of breast cancer.

    Foods and beverages that might worsen the side effects of aromatase inhibitors

    The following should be limited during aromatase inhibitor treatment:

    Chocolate - bone loss
    Coffee - bone loss


    Additional comments

    We suggest that estrogen sensitive breast cancer patients and survivors to eat a wide variety of the foods from our recommended list and limit or avoid those on our avoid list, in addition to paying particular attention to the foods, spices and supplements on the lists above. Note that weight gainduring aromatase inhibitor treatment has been found to be associated with less favorable prognosis. Please see our article on how to optimize your breast cancer diet for information on what to eat during all stages of treatment and recovery.

    Below are links to recent studies on aromatase inhibitor treatment. For a more complete list of studies, please see the aromatase inhibitors tag.

  • Hopeful82014
    Hopeful82014 Member Posts: 3,480
    edited May 2016
    Thanks a ton for an extremely useful article, Stephanie!
  • FeelingtheMagic
    FeelingtheMagic Member Posts: 155
    edited May 2016

    Great list. I found this topic while trying to find out of curcurmin can be taken with exemestane (aromasin) I believe it was not recommended while on tamoxifen, but can't seem to find an answer regarding A.I's. Anyone know?

    What's curious though is that flax is on the above list as recommended for enhancing effectiveness of A.I's. Very recently in Canada, I saw that oncologists have flax on the list of "DO NOT HAVE" with A.I's. Hmmmm....

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited May 2016

    I was told to avoid flax as well. (And be careful not to use it topically--I had tried a sunscreen that smelled fishy and like not-quite-dry oil paint, and one of its ingredients was linseed (flax) oil. Good thing I tossed it because I couldn't stand the odor)!

    Also on the no-no list: St. John’s wort and chamomile. As to curcumin, be aware that it is not easily absorbed--even with piperine (black pepper extract)--many sites recommend mixing it with certain oils or liquids, and be aware that it and turmeric are harmless but strong yellow dyes that can stain kitchen surfaces--even the loose powder in the capsules. So use it only under your range exhaust hood set on “high” and don’t wear anything you don’t mind getting permanent yellow splotches.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2016

    Somewhere on a recent thread I think I remember a discussion that tumeric/curcumin and aromasine/exemestane, when taken together, reduce the effectiveness of aromasin/exemestane. I remember being disappointed and scared because I had been taking tumeric for three days a week, although not a huge amount, for months now, and I've taken aromasin since last Sept.

    But I searched in vain for the thread. And when I searched Dr. Google, I could find no easy to understand science research one way or the other. I've stopped taking it for now; I take a daily aspirin, which also, like curcumin, seems to have both inflammatory reduction properties and anti-tumor , probably related, properties.

  • MeToo14
    MeToo14 Member Posts: 493
    edited May 2016

    claireinaz, I remember that thread but I believe it was about tamoxifen. I too have been taking turmeric, but I take it every day. I feel so lost, I don't know what to do.

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited June 2016

    I have read articles that caution against curcuminbut I have read some that say it enhances the AIs. It appears to be a crapshoot.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2016

    metoo14, I'm like you, but more disgusted that we don't have straight answers. I do think that most of the trial research that proves any supplement enhances or reduces effects of our AIs and tamox use high rxs of the supplements to begin with--so if we take tumeric, for example, it probably won't make any difference, and if we don't, it won't make any difference.

    I did an exhaustive search on the Internet, and I'm good at weeding out the bad research from the good, and didn't find any info that tumeric either enhances or reduces aromasin's effectiveness.

    I'm just not taking it for now, and instead taking my Vit D drops and my daily full-strength aspirin along with a multi-vite. I am going to believe for me, for now, that's enough.

    KBeee, what is "curvilinear"?

    Hugs

    Claire

  • gemini4
    gemini4 Member Posts: 532
    edited June 2016

    I recall seeing something about turmeric and tamoxifen competing for the same liver enzyme required to metabolize tamoxifen into its effective form. (My very unscientific understanding is that tamoxifen doesn't "activate" until the liver processes it into its bio-available form ... But don't quote me, as I may be way off the mark.)

    I guess the question is, do AIs involve the same liver enzymes and/or metabolizing process as tamoxifen? If not, then I would perhaps assume that the drug interactions may be different. That said, avoiding estrogenic foods and herbs sounds like a good practice regardless of the hormone therapy drug.

  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited June 2016

    This is a question that is hard to answer with any certainty as to actual interference. After investigating as to any estrogenic properties of the supplement, it typically it starts with examining the cytochrome p450 enzymes involved in metabolizing the two substances, and seeing whether there is any commonality. Then you need to look at whether the substance, curcumin for instance, is a strong or weak inhibitor of the particular common enzyme pathway. After that, given that there is typically no actual evidence of what actually occurs in the human body when the two substances are both ingested, your oncologist out of an abundance of caution warns against it. Constantine Kaniklidis (sp?) is a researcher that has looked at this subject quite extensively and examined the published literature. His website seems to be down right now. He I believe is associated with No Surrender Breast Cancer Foundation. Ultimately, no one will tell you that something is safe, but there are strong arguments where there are clear interactions and it isn't.

  • grandma3X
    grandma3X Member Posts: 759
    edited June 2016


    Gemini4 - AIs do not require enzymatic processing to become active like tamoxifen does. They are already in the active form.

    Edited: as Timothy pointed out below, not all AIs are already in their active form. Exemestane needs to be metabolized to its active form.

    Impact of Metabolizing Enzymes on Drug Response of Endocrine Therapy in Breast Cancer

  • KBeee
    KBeee Member Posts: 5,109
    edited June 2016

    claireinez, it is a bad autocorrect for curcumin typo!!!! I will correct it. That's what happens when I am in a hurry and do not proofread!!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2016

    Kbeee, Ah! Stupid autocorrect! :D

  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited June 2016

    medscape article


    Grandma3x, I don't believe you are correct that AI do not require any metabolism to become their active form.

    See this article:

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/804598_15

  • grandma3X
    grandma3X Member Posts: 759
    edited June 2016
    Timothy - you are right, I was thinking of Letrozole, which is already in its active form. Exemestane, however, is metabolized to its active form. I'll go back and edit my post above.
  • roziekat
    roziekat Member Posts: 15
    edited June 2016

    so is flaxseed safe or not? I just ordered some because it was shown on recommended list....anyone using it long term?

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