ILC - The Odd One Out?

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  • 614
    614 Member Posts: 851
    edited April 2016


    I am so sorry regarding your diagnosis.  I am glad that you found this website.  You will get a lot of information and support here.  It takes time to know what your tx plan will be and the waiting and wondering is almost the worst part.  You may want to ask your doctor for anti-anxiety medication if you feel that you need it.  A cancer dx is terrifying.  However, if you like and trust your doctors you will feel positive about your tx.  You may want to go for a second opinion to be sure.  The survival rate is very high with the stats that you posted.  I am sending you hugs and prayers and I am wishing you lots of luck.

  • clj57109
    clj57109 Member Posts: 14
    edited April 2016

    So sorry to hear of your diagnoses MFalabella. I know that it is a shock, I was just diagnosed on February 23 of this year. I am finding that this journey through recovery is one that patience is definitely a virtue. I wish you all the best as you start your treatments. I am not far behind you. I had my mastectomy on April 11th, and go back on the 27th to have more lymph nodes removed. Then it's on to see the oncologist and begin my chemotherapy. Good luck and keep us posted.

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited April 2016

    One benefit of ILC is that if you are highly hormone positive then chemo may be avoidable for you, certainly for stages under 3..............

    4 years out for me........

  • sueinfl
    sueinfl Member Posts: 258
    edited April 2016

    FMalabella, I also saw your post under ILC Warriors. Six rounds of TAC did not prevent a recurrence for me nor others with ILC. As others have posted, anti-hormonals seem the most effective route to go. And, because of the way ILC spreads in threads and sheets, it can be very difficult to completely remove through lumpectomy.

    If you want to add to the sadly limited medical knowledge of ILC, you can contact the University of Pittsburgh (http://www.upmc.com/media/NewsReleases/2015/Pages/...) where they are recruiting newly diagnosed ILC patients to see how their tumors respond to anti-hormonals prior to surgery. They are all the way across the country from you, but usually being part of a clinical trial provides for your costs and you would be part of team that specializes in ILC where the rest of us get treated the same as ductal.

    The best news is that lobular is slower growing for the most part and you have time to breathe and consider your options. You have come to a great site to start your journey and education and I am so glad you are being proactive with this particular subset of bc. Please do not rush into treatment you might not need. Because lobular is slower growing, it does not always respond to chemo that targets faster multiplying cells. Unfortunately, because of the way it spreads, you might need more surgery than you'd prefer. Compromises become the norm.

    You've got this. Wishing you strength and times of peace,

    Sue

  • JohnSmith
    JohnSmith Member Posts: 651
    edited April 2016

    Just published. Lobular breast cancer Q&A via OncLive.com. It discusses the 3 "potential" subtypes of lobular breast cancer, which require more study.

    http://www.onclive.com/web-exclusives/perou-shares-how-deeper-sequencing-of-genome-helps-define-treat-breast-cancer-subtypes

    As a caretaker to an ILC patient, I appreciate that researchers are collaborating to conduct larger studies, but still, the ILC research community is still quite small and the pace of science is too slow for those that are already dealing with a metastatic situation.
    More needs to be done.
    - Does anyone have ideas on how to accelerate research progress for ILC?
    - What can patients / caretakers do to help?

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited April 2016

    ILC is the second most common type of BC after ductal so therefore statistically a lot more women could live longer and better lives if there was more targeted and specific treatment for us AND

    we could prove a lot cheaper to treat given the high incidence of hormone involvement for us............
    I think publicity and being really clear about just how difficult it is to find ILC due to its very nature
    (and the scare factor of that for women not yet diagnosed) should all be emphasized.
  • jnu3
    jnu3 Member Posts: 76
    edited April 2016

    A spot was noted on a mammogram October 2012. It was decided to biopsy. Stereoscopic biopsy was attempted but after injecting anesthetic the spot couldn't be found. Followed with mammograms every three months, six months and the February 2015 there had been no change so was set to return to annual mammograms. October 29 2015 with the new 3D system the same spot was located, but this time on the 3D machine spiculated lesions where seen. Biopsy set November 11, 2015 with dx November 13, 2015. Tumor was less that a cm. There was no pain, no lump, no redness, no dimpling. ILC is difficult to find. After surgery and radiation, I am now have my follow up mammogram and I have requested that it be done with the 3D mammography system.

  • 614
    614 Member Posts: 851
    edited April 2016

    Please make sure that you request a 3D mammo at the time that you make your appointment.  I had my dx mammo and sono yesterday.  I thought that I would automatically be getting a 3D mammo.  By chance, I asked the technician if this was a 3D machine.  She said, "No".  I insisted on a 3D mammo and was given one.  However, if I did not ask, I would have had a 2D mammo and I would have thought that I was getting a 3D mammo.  The 3D mammo cost me $50 more but it was definitely worth it. 

    Good luck.

  • jnu3
    jnu3 Member Posts: 76
    edited April 2016

    I specifically asked for the 3D mammo and the radiologist md that did my biopsy to be available because I wanted to see the screens.

  • jnu3
    jnu3 Member Posts: 76
    edited May 2016

    First mammography (3D) following completion of surgery and radiation. New baseline and all is well. Will follow in October for annual both breast.

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited May 2016

    jnu3....Just wanted to add that a breast MRI might be appropriate screening for you also. I had a ILC tumor that only showed up on MRI. The 3D mammo and U/S missed it! Good luck to all....

  • jnu3
    jnu3 Member Posts: 76
    edited May 2016

    Originally I had the 3D mammo, biopsy and then MRI all of which confirmed the ILC. It was the 3D that noted spiculated lesions coming off the "unusual" spot that had been watched and monitored since October 2012. It was not until the 3D that suspicions warranted the biopsy which confirmed the BC. The MRI provided further confirmation. As we all know, finding it early is the key.

    My 3D yesterday gave me the picture of the surgical markers and a new baseline. Thank you for your discussions

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited May 2016

    I went to hospital today and they found a new lump in my remaining breast of 2cm and irregular edges.  This was NOT there at the end of February when I had an MRI so I am now of course worried.  Its only 2.5 months since the MRI so that is fast growth..............it also hurts which is what I had before, and its in outer quadrant too........way too many echoes of the past here for me.  Also found a nodule in armpit on that side and a 1mm nodule on side already mutilated.  Waiting for ultra-sound appt now but think I will pay for one to get it done faster.

    Has this happened to anyone else?  I am trying to stay calm but I asked the doctor outright and she said she was not settled about it and wanted it checked....................and irregular edges and fast appearance are worrying.  There is no way I can go through the whole thing again, I am one of the pathetic people who still struggle...........

    I also raised issue of recon with them and they noted down that I feel cheated as they have not given me recon and told me they have changed things and are now offering recon to people BUT no guarantee they will be able to bring anything forward for me....!

    Anyone have any experience of this and it turned out benign?  Any advice please? 

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited May 2016

    Hi Lily55....Im so sorry you are going through this. BC is the pits! Worrying a second time around must be really hard. Not sure what your question is about reconstruction. You didn't have it and now you want It? Hang in there. Yes I would probably pay for the U/S too as to not have to wait. You will get reimbursed. Yes it still could be benign! Good luck and keep us posted...

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited May 2016

    I wanted recon from diagnosis but was denied it

  • sueinfl
    sueinfl Member Posts: 258
    edited May 2016

    Lily, I am so sorry you are going thru this. I hope it is not a recurrence, but they are not the end. I'm still here three years since my last one. I am also one of those who considers myself a total wimp when it comes to this mess. Warrior I am not.

    Please treat that lump as precious! It contains information on whether your er/pr/her2 status has changed and can be used to check which treatment will be effective if it is not benign. I say that because lobular can be so hard to find when it doesn't form lumps. Insist it be tested and consider contacting Foundation One or other testing facility yourself.

    As to why you're being denied recon, I have no idea. I thought it had mandatory coverage for years now. 😕

    You are in my heart and thoughts.

    Sue

  • clj57109
    clj57109 Member Posts: 14
    edited May 2016

    Hi Lily55, I'm just starting this whole journey myself. My first diagnosis was in Feb of 2016. I don't understand why you're being denied reconstruction either. I had a left breast total mastectomy and I met with the reconstruction surgeon before I went in for the mastectomy. Both my mastectomy surgeon and the reconstruction surgeon told me not to worry about my insurance not covering the recon because there were laws in place for that. That it is actually considered part of the treatment and could not be denied. I would research and find out what the law actually is if you want reconstruction.

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited May 2016

    Lily...why were you denied reconstruction?

  • Chloesmom
    Chloesmom Member Posts: 1,053
    edited May 2016

    reading up on ILC have noted that there may be a genetiic connection between having family with gastric cancer. Not sure if my my brother had this. He had metastatic adenocarcinoma which they said was from"somewhere in his gut". He passed away 2 years before my diagnosis. Am thinking of asking MO for genetic testing for my kids benefiit She sId they dont do BRCA if you were over 50. Not sure what else to ask for now. Any ideas.

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited May 2016

    Thank you for your comments, means a lot.......i am not in the USA, I am going to find a private clinic to get fast ultrasound, but as ILC IS SLOW GROWING and I did not have a lump before in 2012, and there was nothing in this area just 11 weeks ago i am hoping its not cancer again. I really cannot cope withany more.....

  • grandma3X
    grandma3X Member Posts: 759
    edited May 2016
    Lily - I'm so sorry you are going through this again and hope it turns out to be nothing!

    Chloesmom - it's a mutation in the CDH1gene that links ILC to gastric cancer. I was denied genomic testing for BRCA by my insurance so I paid out of pocket to have 19 genes sequenced by Color Genomics ($250 total) including BRCA and CDH1. It was well worth it and you do not need the doctor to order it for you, you can do it online.
  • stellamaris
    stellamaris Member Posts: 384
    edited May 2016
    Lily, so sorry to hear you are faced with this again. Where are you located? hugs
  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited May 2016

    Spain.....and thank you

  • JohnSmith
    JohnSmith Member Posts: 651
    edited May 2016

    Lily,
    I didn't realize you were in Spain. Have you tapped into the European RATHER project, who focus on ILC?

    One of the locations enrolling ILC patients for the POSEIDON clinical trial (which I discussed here) includes Vall d'Hebron University Hospital (VHIO) in Barcelona, Spain.
    Clinical Trial contact: Mafalda AM Oliviera, MD
    Email: moliveira AT vhio DOT net

    Part of the RATHER project Steering Committee includes Dr. Josep Tabernero, MD - Vall d'Hebron Institute of Oncology in Barcelona.
    Email: jtabernero AT vhio DOT net

    Perhaps it's worth connecting with these people?

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited May 2016

    Wow John thank you, I will look in to it....

  • KayaRose
    KayaRose Member Posts: 183
    edited May 2016

    Chloesmom, my father died from cancer which was thought to have started somewhere in his stomach. He passed away a month after diagnosis and nothing definitive was ever determined about where the primary site was. It was over 25 years ago and finding the primary cancer didn't seem to be much of a priority. Even so, the fact that they thought it was stomach cancer was enough for Medicare to cover the cost of my genetic testing. There is a form of lobular stomach cancer. It is apparently as hard to find lobular cancer in the stomach as it is in the breast. I fortunately did not have the mutation. I would recommend asking for the testing based on your brother's stomach cancer rather than BRCA.

    Good luck to you.

  • Chloesmom
    Chloesmom Member Posts: 1,053
    edited May 2016

    Thank you! I asked about genetic testing and she assumed i meant BRCA. So will be clear about what we need to check out.

  • artistatheart
    artistatheart Member Posts: 2,176
    edited May 2016

    JohnSmith, you have been an awesome researcher and resource for us all! Lily, I can't be of many help here except to say NONE of us is pathetic because of the difficulty in dealing with this horrendous disease. I have some really horrible days over a bad test result or just a stupid commercial on TV sometimes. Then I rally again and get going again. Please hang in there and wait to get all the results in. Look at Sue and realize you can do it!

  • 614
    614 Member Posts: 851
    edited May 2016

    Dear Lily:

    I am wishing you luck, health, and prayers. I am also sending you hugs. You deserve to have quick testing and hopefully your results will come back soon stating a benign finding. I also worry all of the time because lobular carcinoma is so difficult to detect. I guess that I am also a basket case. Thank you JohnSmith. You are an amazing researcher.


  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited May 2016

    Ultrasound could not find anything, still waiting on colonoscopy appointment.

    Apparently your doctor neds to recommend you for the clinical research studies, but its interesting to know there is somewhere interested in lobular closer than the USA!  Thank you John....

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