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AaronBronte
AaronBronte Member Posts: 21

Hi, i joined this site to get some advice and just talk with people who have been through this battle, M mother was diagnosed with stage 2, breast cancer and began her treatment over a month ago, she says she hates going for Chemo because of the side effects, but i have a question have anyone taken Chemo before surgery ?

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited May 2016

    Hi Aaron-

    We're sorry to hear that your mom is having a hard time with chemo; it can be a difficult treatment to manage. Many of our members have undergone chemo before their surgery, lots of doctors recommend it to try and shrink the mass, thereby increasing the chances of having a lumpectomy vs a mastectomy, You can read more about that here: http://www.breastcancer.org/research-news/lumpecto....

    We know the side effects can be hard to manage, but try to assure you mom that many of them are temporary, and will lessen as her treatment continues. In the meantime, she might find this info on managing chemo side effects helpful: http://www.breastcancer.org/treatment/chemotherapy....

    We hope this information is helpful, and that it gets easier for your mom!

    The Mods

  • AaronBronte
    AaronBronte Member Posts: 21
    edited May 2016

    yea well yesterday she was all down because today she has chemo again, i felt sad for her tbh but i do try to encourage her. One of her aunt also had treatment and discouraged her a lot saying that the doctors are not supposed to be doing that and to just remove the breast because chemo makes it worse etc so i guess that had her down. Hey by any chance do you know if heat affects treatment ? like if staying away from cooking would help

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited May 2016

    Hi AaronBronte:

    If she feels well enough to cook, it should be no problem. Otherwise, between treatments, maybe she can prepare food ahead of time and freeze it, so she can just warm things up when does not feel like cooking.

    Sometimes mastectomy is medically indicated. When it is not required, then lumpectomy plus radiation is as effective as mastectomy in terms of overall survival. This is a fact, so it seems like your mom's aunt is not very knowledgable about breast cancer and is causing her undue stress and anxiety by saying these things. Probably the aunt has no idea why neoadjuvant chemotherapy was recommended to your mother, and has no understanding of the potential benefits and valuable information about response to chemotherapy that may be obtained from this treatment plan.

    Maybe you can show your Mom these discussion boards so she can join and connect with others with similar diagnoses who are going through neoadjuvant (pre-surgery) chemotherapy, and find some support.

    If she has troublesome symptoms from the chemotherapy, she should tell the oncology nurse. The nurse can work with her to adjust supportive medications to ease the symptoms.

    BarredOwl

  • AaronBronte
    AaronBronte Member Posts: 21
    edited May 2016

    Thanks a lot right now she says she is weak as she had Chemo today i expect these synthoms should last a few days but hopefully by Monday everything is ok. Is there anything natural we could use or eat that could help make the body stronger ?

  • AaronBronte
    AaronBronte Member Posts: 21
    edited May 2016

    Hey today i'm hearing that after her chemo all the medications may have not gotten in, they said some had remained is it ok if some remained ?

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited May 2016

    AaronBronte:

    it is not clear from the information you provided what exactly happened, so it is not clear whether what happened is okay or not.

    If there is any question that she did not receive a full dose of any prescribed chemotherapic agent and/or supportive medications, she should ask for an explanation of exactly what occurred, how much of each prescribed drug was administered, what drug or drugs were not administered, and why it was not administered, and write it down. She should then speak with her Medical Oncologist to ask for his expert medical advice whether there is any risk of under-treatment or not or other concern. If she has trouble obtaining information, she should inform the Medical Oncologist and ask for his help to find out what happened.

    If there was any kind of error, steps should be taken to ensure it is not repeated.

    BarredOwl


  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited May 2016

    It is not at all unusual in today's world for neoadjuvant chemo (chemo before surgery) to be done. The objective is to get the cancer to shrink and get good margins to get a better surgical outcome. It has been SOP for years with IBC {Inflammatory Breast Cancer) but is being done more today other types also. In some cases, a complete response is possible but not with all. Many who do neoadjuvant will do 2 different batches of Chemo but for some of us we will do both neoadjuvant Chemo and adjuvant Chemo (after surgery). Radiation may also follow for some. For some there will also be Estrogen Blockers for years if ER/PR+. If she is HER2+, then she will be getting Herceptrin infusions for a year.

    Do you know which Chemo she is doing? Or if she will be doing another Chemo also neoadjuvant? If you go with her to her infusions, ask the Chemo RNs about her TX plan. Also if she has you listed with her Drs as approved to be given HIPPA info, you could call and talk with her Dr or his/her PA/NP/RN for explanation of what is being done and why it is considered to be the best TX for her so you will have a better understanding and can possibly help her better understand.

    Remember - not all different Chemo 'work' the same on every cancer or in everyone's individual body.

    There is no one TX option that is correct for each unique person - we are each so unique (even if it seems that DXs are the same); our Drs are also unique and (thankfully) do not all treat us exactly the same. In my case, my TX plan was quite different than most other IBCers here. Most will do 2 different Chemo neoadjuvant - I did A/C (Adriamycin and Cytoxan) neoadjuvant and then Taxol adjuvant. Did not get a complete response to A/C, never expected to - just to get it to shrink and have get good margins for surgery which it did give. Then hit 'anything' that might still be 'hiding' with the adjuvant Taxol. As I said, it was a different TX plan than most but it worked for me - Aug will be 7 yrs post DX and still NED (No Evidence of Disease).

    It would be a good idea to get your Mom to come here and 'talk' about her concerns.

    Bottom line - no one here can tell her (and you) what is best for her - we can only give our personal experiences which are all different. We are not medical personnel who are actually seeing her and her scans/tests/etc.



  • AaronBronte
    AaronBronte Member Posts: 21
    edited May 2016

    She says she has pain in the bones, she had chemo on Thursday. She has been tired lately a lot but i advise her to rest as i assume these side effects are normal and will be ok by a a few days maybe tomorrow or tuesday she should be back to normal.

  • AaronBronte
    AaronBronte Member Posts: 21
    edited May 2016

    About the Chemo drips remaining, they said she blood count were slightly below normal at 8.8 but went ahead with the treament because had she missed an appointment they would have to start over so they continued and i assume would have given her the amount necessary.

    About the type of treatment yes i believe it is neoadjuvant as it's IBC and the surgeons said they do want to shrink it so they can make it easier for operation and when they remove the lump they would also scrape out extra pieces of the breast to get any malignant cell with it.

  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited May 2016

    'Neoadjuvant' means before surgery. Neoadjuvant Chemo does not mean that the type of BC is Inflammatory Breast Cancer (IBC) - neoadjuvant only means that it is Chemo BEFORE surgery, not after which is adjuvant Chemo.. Neoadjuvant is becoming more commonly used with invasive/infiltrating ductal and lobular breast cancer (Invasive Ductall Carcinoma/IDC or Invasive Lobular Carcinoma/ILC).

    So is she only doing one type of Chemo neoadjuvant or will she be doing adjuvant (meaning after surgery) also? What about radiation?

    What country are you in?

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited May 2016

    Hi AaronBronte:

    Kicks raises a good question. Are you sure your mother has inflammatory breast cancer (IBC)? Or does she have another type?

    Inflammatory Breast Cancer = IBC

    Invasive (or Infiltrating) Ductal Carcinoma = IDC

    Invasive (or Infiltrating) Lobular Carcinoma = ILC

    There are other less common types (e.g., mixed, metaplastic)

    You mentioned "when they remove the lump they would also scrape out extra pieces." Surgically, you seem to be describing a "lumpectomy" (removal of a lump and some extra tissue around it to try to achieve good margins). "Lumpectomy" is a type of "breast conserving surgery", which does not appear to be a standard treatment for "inflammatory breast cancer" (IBC) based on my layperson's reading of the NCCN breast cancer treatment guidelines, general information from the NCI, or this organization:

    Surgery for inflammatory breast cancer: http://www.breastcancer.org/symptoms/types/inflammatory/treating/surgery

    If you are not really sure what kind of breast cancer she has, do not know what specific drug regimen she is receiving, or have any information about tumor histology, tumor size, ER, PR or HER2 status, etc, it makes me wonder if your Mom has chosen not to share certain details with you. This in turn, makes we wonder how old you are.

    It can be hard to gauge age from posts and you are certainly asking good questions, but registrants must be eighteen (18) years of age or older:

    Terms of use: http://www.breastcancer.org/about_us/bco_commitment/legal_terms

    If you are younger than that, then you should talk to your mother about your questions and concerns. Let her know you have questions about her treatment plan and ask how you can best help support her through treatment.

    Of course, if you are 18 or older, please do not hesitate to continue posting. However, it would be helpful if you could ask your mom to share a copy of her pathology report with you, as well as more information about her diagnosis and the advice she has received regarding treatment plan (neoadjuvant and/or adjuvant drug regimen(s), surgery, radiation, etc), so you can make your questions more specific to her situation and make it easier for people here to refer you to good sources of information and/or share relevant experience.

    BarredOwl

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