Lumpectomy Lounge....let's talk!

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  • Molly50
    Molly50 Member Posts: 3,773
    edited May 2016

    Z317, that is one of the potential side effects but not a given. I had rads post mastectomy. My PS was telling me that I would have to have flap surgery instead of implant reconstruction because radiated tissue is riskier for capsular contracture. . However I am 5 months post rads and he said my skin looks so good he is willing to try implants. You just never know. However the risk of recurrence is not something I would want to play around with.

  • Lovinggrouches
    Lovinggrouches Member Posts: 530
    edited May 2016

    Fgodmother, I was digging holes and planting tomatoes 3 days after lumpectomy. Maryjo, thanks for the advice with the hysterectomy and wt loss. I lost almost 50 lb over 2 year period, but have gained 22 lb back in the last year or so. Haven't been able to exercise much in the past few months, but plan on doing better after the hysterectomy when I can get a break from the surgeries and treatments from the cancer. Thanks to all for your support and advice. Good luck everyone with your appointments! Created, your mom is AWESOME!!!!!!

  • iammags
    iammags Member Posts: 216
    edited May 2016

    Z317- There are a lot of us on the Spring Rads Forum. You should come and visit us over there!

  • MJS1266
    MJS1266 Member Posts: 222
    edited May 2016

    Thanks everyone for the virtual high fives, need all the motivation I can find!

    LG, I finished radiation June 30 and gave myself the summer off from any treatments and scheduled my hysterectomy for October after my nephew's wedding. As it was prophylatic there was no rush except I wanted to have it done in 2015 once I made the decision for insurance purposes. Know how you feel, I totally lacked motivation when I had a high stress job. When I thought, I would have time after retirement, BC was front and center gained 15 on steroids. Anyway, my motivation now is that I want to do everything and anything to help prevent a recurrence. This is not the first time I've lost weight but hope it is the last time and that I don't regain. Good Luck, Mary-Jo


  • froggie
    froggie Member Posts: 92
    edited May 2016

    Welcome Fgodmother! There's no way I would have been able to fly 2 days after surgery. It was almost a week before I went back to work and even then I had very limited range of motion in my right arm. Sandy is are resident lymphodema expert and flying that soon after a SNB is a risk. Hopefully she will be able to chime in with more info.

    Moondust, I'm in Baltimore for rads and don't have access to my desktop. I have seen a paper with a limited study group that seem to indicate that there were fewer SE in the femara group but the percentages were high for both groups, something like 43% for femara vs almost 60% for arimidex (note I'm working from memory so those numbers aren't solid). A paper a few years later with a much bigger study population seemed to indicate that there was no statistical difference between the two groups with respect to SEs.

    Due to differences in individuals' genetics and physiology the drug that works better for one person with respect to SEs may not be the same for someone else. As long as I get a generic my insurance will cover all three AIs. If for some reason, I want to try the brand name if I have problems with the generic, femara is the preferred drug for my insurance. In the past I have had problems with various generics and for whatever reason, Teva brand generics have given me the same results for 3 of my brand name drugs.

    Mary-Jo congratulations on the weight-loss! You have given me hope. My biggest fears for AIs is packing on pounds and having the rest of my hair fall out. I take 2 g of relafen a day for chronic pericarditis so I am hoping that will help out with aches and pains SEs.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited May 2016

    Of the three Letrozole formulations I’ve tried--Femara, Teva and Roxane--Roxane seems to go the easiest on me, perhaps because it has fewer additives than even Femara. Normally, Teva is the generic preferred by many doctors for active ingredient, price, and fewer SEs. My insurance (Humana Enhanced Medicare Part D) considers even generic letrozole to be a “non-preferred brand” because only generic anastrozole is in its “preferred generic” tier. It will NOT cover Femara at all, even with the prior authorization letter from my MO. She prefers letrozole because she claims its benefit-to-SE ratio is better for women with mild-to-moderate obesity. My friends who did fine on anastrozole are all quite slender. Humana’s step-therapy requirement is that one’s doctor has to certify that a patient tried generic anastrozole for three months and it “failed.” (How do you prove an AI “failed:” a tumor recurrence or even mets?)

    I ordered Femara (Novartis UK version) from CanadaDrugs.com for $588 for 90 days. Pricey--but bought in a U.S. pharmacy it’s $2700! It took too long to arrive, so I filled a scrip for the generic. My cancer center’s outpatient pharmacy carried the Roxane version for $10/mo, but it’s not on Humana’s “preferred pharmacy” list. Walgreen’s and CVS refused to guarantee which generic I could get--“you get whatever we have on hand and corporate says is the cheapest for us.” In that case, it was either Sun or Accord--both formulations notorious for worse SEs than Teva or Femara. My local indie pharmacy (which is on Humana's preferred list) said it could get me Teva, but for the first couple of months they could only get Roxane--$9/mo. Then the next 2 months they could only get Teva, and it was $17. This time they could get Roxane--but it jumped to $27. Still not as pricey as it could be. Not sure if the main reason was Humana’s idiosyncratic tier-classification, or just a case of generic mfrs. jacking up prices because they can.

    2 days is way too soon to fly after any surgery--bc or orthopedic--because of not just fatigue and range-of-motion restriction but the very real danger of either DVTs (clots) or paradoxically, bleeding. It has nothing to do with LE risk, whether or not you wear compression. (Trust me, donning it is gonna hurt like hell while you are still dealing with a lumpectomy and an SNB incision--the upper band could irritate the incision or the seroma forming beneath it, and your more limited ROM will make properly and fully donning a sleeve difficult. And air pressure changes could exacerbate breast swelling. I was told to wait at least a month after my lx--and 12 weeks after my knee replacement.

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited May 2016

    Sandy, that's interesting that your MO said that Arimidex seems to cause fewer SEs for slender women. I hadn't heard that before. I'm on it and I guess I'm slender. I have a friend who is definitely "fluffy" who took it and had no problems with it. The pricing of all drugs these days is screwy. My AARP plan doesn't even cover the only antibiotic I can take. A few years ago it was free. Now it is $60 for 2 weeks (that was a year ago). Price gouging seems to be the norm. :(

    FGodmother, I agree with the other ladies. No matter how good you might FEEL, travelling 4 hours by plane just 2 days post-surgery is not a good idea. If you are unlucky and have problems then you are very far from your surgeon. BTW, my credit card has travel insurance and this instance should qualify under the medical portion I would think.

    Z317, I suppose there is a slight difference in texture between my breasts but it is not noticeable. There was no change in size. I'm 18 months post-rads. I also had no problems with radiation. Probably each woman is different.
    HUGS!!

  • Kokomo26
    Kokomo26 Member Posts: 64
    edited May 2016

    Just wanted to update with results from my MO visit yesterday. Assistant MO said the trial study assume chemo starts within 8 weeks of surgery but my MO said within 6 months was fine...still I wonder. Wish I could get a second opinion. Enough time has passed since rads should not have rad recall. Have to stop Letrozole. Also plans on some bone injections 2 x yearly.

    Regarding the small size it seems the Ocnotype score trumps the pathology report but when I look at it and it is based on only a small group of 668 patients I cant help but wonder. So my choice is stay with the recommendations given on the pathology report or use the test results. My MO says she would do the chemo.

    Wow, my life has turned upside down just when I thought I was putting this in the past. Yes Grazy, your Mum was right in her saying "dont borrow trouble".. I thought I would get a result to stop my worrying but no.....complete opposite. Have to decide in 2 days as she wants to start ASAP. Made an appt to check my veins and chemo teaching on Thursday.

    Moondust. I agree many wonderful ladies has passed through these chemo doors and bless their hearts. I admire all of them for their strength and courage.


  • JuniperCat
    JuniperCat Member Posts: 658
    edited May 2016

    Dorothy26, can you seek a second opinion? Also, can you request a MammaPrint

  • Kokomo26
    Kokomo26 Member Posts: 64
    edited May 2016

    From what I know it would take too long to get a second opinion set up. I asked about that test but again time and not enough tissue left.

  • Grazy
    Grazy Member Posts: 373
    edited May 2016

    Thanks for giving us an update, Dorothy. 15% sounds a heck of a lot better than 22%, was my initial thought. My benefit for chemo would've been only about 2%. I can imagine you're feeling quite thrown for a loop. It is too bad that you don't have a second opinion just for peace of mind. Could you call PMH and request one? (I think you mentioned you're at Sunnybrook?) Getting a few opinions really helped me be at peace with my decision.

  • Kokomo26
    Kokomo26 Member Posts: 64
    edited May 2016

    Grazy, I have thought of trying but from what I am aware of here the process takes a while unless you personally know someone. And time is running out

  • FGodmother
    FGodmother Member Posts: 52
    edited May 2016

    Thank you to Lovestofly, Molly50, Grazy, Moondust, Lovinggrouckes, Froggy, and ChiSandy for your words of wisdom regarding flying two days after surgery. My surgeon seemed most concerned with DVT, and told me I could fly, as long as I got up and moved around every 30 minutes to 45 minutes, wiggled my toes constantly, and flexed my calves. My lump is non-palpable < 1 cm, so I am assuming my incision will be tiny. My DH won't let me lift a finger, and says he is going to play the cancer card with the airline so we get pre=boarding, so as not to be jostled by others. He will make sure I take my pain meds on time, and watch me like a hawk. This trip is essential for my mental health, and really can't be postponed, due to a major project at work kicking off mid-June, and a moratorium on time off work during the project.

  • Grazy
    Grazy Member Posts: 373
    edited May 2016

    Dorothy, well, shoot! I guess you have to trust your instincts, your MO and that Oncotype score over 30. It certainly should be easier to get a 2nd opinion. In addition to the opinions I gathered through my husband's connections, my MO consulted with two of her colleagues before meeting with me because my score of 21 was in that darn grey area. I had in my head that if my score had been 25 or above I would have done chemo even with the high ER%, 21 made me waffle a bit. My MO said that was also her feeling (this was after I made my decision) that 25 would have been more a definitive score for her, but the choice would have been up to me. She said some people are willing to do chemo even for a 1% benefit (that definitely was not me). Not trying to sway you in any way whatsoever, just musing about my experience.

  • createdonpurpose
    createdonpurpose Member Posts: 27
    edited May 2016

    My surgery is in the morning friends! I've done everything I can do to be prepared and quite honestly I'm ready to get it over with! Keep me in your thoughts and prayers!

  • Peachy2
    Peachy2 Member Posts: 350
    edited May 2016

    Thinking of you tomorrow, createdonpurpose!

  • Grazy
    Grazy Member Posts: 373
    edited May 2016

    Good luck, Created! I agree, you're well prepared - let us know how it goes when you're feeling up to it. I'll be in your pocket, as the saying goes :)

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited May 2016

    Created, In your pocket tomorrow!!!

    HUGS!

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited May 2016

    Created, in your pocket for tomorrow!

    FGodmother, remember too to stay as hydrated as you can (getting up to go to the bathroom is good anti-DVT exercise). Don’t be too proud to ask for a wheelchair at the airport--being so soon post-op you definitely qualify. It’ll get you through security MUCH faster, and those long airport corridors can be exhausting, recent surgery or not. Also, explain to the flight attendants before takeoff that your fist pumping and hand waving are anti-lymphedema exercises and not calls for assistance.

  • Moondust
    Moondust Member Posts: 510
    edited May 2016

    Created, I'm in your pocket tomorrow too! Hope you have a big pocket ;)

    Dorothy, I'm sorry you need chemo, but glad that your MO was not wishy-washy about it. I must have missed the post where you told what your risk reduction would be with chemo. After it's over you will be forever glad you did it, at least that's how I think I will feel. When did you finish rads? My RO brought up radiation recall but he did not specify an amount of time after which it would be okay. Can you tell me what you learned about that? Maybe I'm far enough out from rads that I won't have to worry (finished April 4). Thanks, and good luck! Are you going to get a port? I think I want one.

  • KarenR0618
    KarenR0618 Member Posts: 78
    edited May 2016

    Created you are definitely in my prayers. I will also be in your pocket.

  • tsoebbin
    tsoebbin Member Posts: 474
    edited May 2016

    Surgery tomorrow! I've been so busy with a houseful of family visiting that I've been more focused on dishes and laundry than surgery tomorrow!

    My FMLA Paperwork came back with 3 weeks off work. Did anyone else take that much time off?

    Looking forward to moving forward!

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited May 2016

    Tsoebbin, Nice that the date has finally arrived! And three weeks off is great. That will give you plenty of time to get back in fighting shape. You probably won't need it all but it's nice to have it available. Good to stay busy! I'll be in your pocket tomorrow and seeing you in a bit over a month!

    HUGS!

  • tsoebbin
    tsoebbin Member Posts: 474
    edited May 2016

    Thanks Peggy. It's beautiful in Spokane tight now!

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited May 2016

    I know. And I'm so darned envious!!!! Smooth surgery day!

    HUGS!

  • Lovinggrouches
    Lovinggrouches Member Posts: 530
    edited May 2016

    tsoebbin and created, I will keep you in my prayers for surgery!! Dorothy, sorry you need chemo. I didn't have to with score of 14, but I would have with a higher score, anything to be sure I did all I could. I still feel worried ,even with stage 1, grade 1 idc with high er and pr. I think I have read too many discussion boards where people with cancer just like mine, had recurrences in the same breast and even metastasis even with clear nodes and margins. It's all a crap shoot and none of us will ever know. Do all you can to fight this sucky cancer!!!!

  • Grazy
    Grazy Member Posts: 373
    edited May 2016

    Good luck tomorrow, tsoebbin!!

  • MJS1266
    MJS1266 Member Posts: 222
    edited May 2016

    Created and Tsoebbin, Wishing you a quick recovery, I'll be thinking of you tomorrow. You'll do great.

    Dorothy, Sorry you were thrown for a loop with your oncotype and now have to decide on Chemo. Chemo is tough and loosing your hair is the pits, but chemo is doable, not as bad as you think thanks to all the anti-nausea drugs and your hair will grow back. I did chemo first because of grad, lymph node involvement, and wait on genetic testing. I had a complete response so in the end I was glad I did chemo first as I knew for sure it had worked. My hair was long enough to stop wearing a wig at 16 weeks PFC. It is normal now except still has a few chemo curls. Good Luck with your decision, MJS

  • froggie
    froggie Member Posts: 92
    edited May 2016

    Created and Tsoebbin, best of luck with your surgery tomorrow. Fingers and toes crossed for clear margins and negative nodes. Wishing you both a speedy and uneventful recovery.

    Dorothy, so sorry you have to do chemo but the risk reduction is substantial so it seems worth it. You will get through it like the other strong ladies here that did and you will come out on the other side. As Peggy says, it's not easy but doable and those drugs will be killing any cells that may have escaped.

    LG, agree with you about it being a crap shoot. A lady at the clinic yesterday with pathology similar to mine had a recurrence after 1.5 yr along with mets.

  • froggie
    froggie Member Posts: 92
    edited May 2016

    My last rad is tomorrow and I was allowed to get rid of the green marker lines on the left side yesterday. I am looking forward to getting rid of the blue lines tomorrow so I can stop worrying about keeping them covered.

    Had my appointment with the MO today. Anastrozole is her preferred drug and it didn't seem like a fight worth having so I said I would try it but am on record as saying I would try letrozole before going to exemestane.

    The neighborhood pharmacy has been ordering in generics of my choice for two of my drugs for years now with no problem. The teva brand anastrozole is backordered and the only other generic their wholeseller can get is Accord so that's what my husband brought home. After reading some of the comments in the forums, I am not amused. I'll try it but will also call the walmart and other pharmacies to see what they have and if I hit pay dirt, I'll have the script transferred.

    Arimidex is not a first tier drug in my insurance's formulary so it would be $563 for 30 pills vs $343 for femara. The Northwest pharmacy in Canada has brandname from AstraZeneca for $65 and hubby said we can pay that every month so if I see the SE that the others in the forum did I'll request another script to send off. The SE everyone is complaining about in addition to the usual ones are severe mood swings and depression that they did not see on other generics.

    MO dutifully asks me every time I see her if I am still using vagifem. My answer is the same. Today, I acknowledged the higher blood estradiol levels that has all the MOs on edge but also pointed out that it was done in women using 25 mcg suppositories and not the 10 mcg that are available in this country. I brought up the current Sloan Kettering clinical study that is in progress and preliminary data that has made them comfortable to use in their BC patients. She acknowledged that and pointed out that I was bilateral. I acknowledged what she was saying and pointed out that I have severe urogenital symptoms and if I had to go back to peeing every 5 min, peeing blood and constantly having labia tears with bleeding, she may as well kill me now. She thought that was fair and in view of the quality of life issues and my being aware of the potential risk, she is OK with it. She appears to be focused on reducing as many SE as possible to keep quality of life as high as possible considering the BC and the drugs we need to take for it. She rather have minor concessions that will keep women on the drugs than have them feeling so miserable that they stop taking them.

    She is aware that I have been dealing with female pattern baldness for years and don't really have the hair to lose at this point so she wants to know right away if it starts coming out in buckets. So that's about it for now.



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