Do you need estrogen level check before starting Aromasin?

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Kiks1
Kiks1 Member Posts: 254

Hi Ladies, I have a quick question. I visited with my MO yesterday and decided, based on the SOFT study, that we are going to try Lupron + Aromasin. I was perimenopausal prior to chemo and had stopped my periods after my first chemo infusion. I received my first lupron shot yesterday but what I find curious was that MO gave me a prescription of Aromasin to start right away. She did not have my hormone levels checked. I did not get a bone density test either. For reference, I am 49.

Does that sound right? What should I be looking out for?

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  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited April 2016

    Hi!

    If your MO put you on Lupron, she must suspect that you aren't fully menopausal. I am doing the same protocol, albeit with Zoladex as my ovarian suppressor. My MO also didn't check my hormone levels when I started because she assumed that my ovaries might not have fully recovered from chemo. I am currently 48; I will take a break in two years and have my hormone levels tested then. If I am fully menopausal, I will get to stop the Zoladex shots. I did get a dexascan to check my bone density levels, but that occurred a month or so after I started Aromasin. (It showed that I'm already osteopenic, which means that I now take Caltrate twice a day.) You should ask your MO to request one if you want to get a baseline. I think my insurance will pay for them every two years.

    Hope Aromasin goes OK for you! I've been lucky; I had some hot flashes and moodiness initially. With Celexa and time, those are gone.

  • Kiks1
    Kiks1 Member Posts: 254
    edited May 2016

    Elaine, thank you for your input and encouragement. Good to know why MO did it this way. I will make sure to follow up with the baseline dexascan.


  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited May 2016

    Remember, too, that even without functioning ovaries (or ovaries at all), our bodies still make estrogen in the adrenals and fat cells. They secrete a testosterone-precursor that the enzyme aromatase converts to estrogen (estradiol). Hence the Arimidex, to inhibit the action of aromatase and thus prevent your body from making estrogen. The combination of ovaries that no longer produce estrogen, plus preventing the hormones secreted by your fat cells and adrenals from becoming estrogen, starves any remaining tumor cells of estrogen, causing them to die and/or be unable to divide.

  • Artista928
    Artista928 Member Posts: 2,753
    edited May 2016

    That seems odd to me that she wouldn't get a hormone test done before starting meds. Mine did saying that'll help her determine the meds for me. I'm 51. Mom stopped at 52. Was peri until chemo and now no more but she says they don't deem you as menopausal until you've gone a year without periods. So I"m thinking no Tamox for me and it will be AI + shot until a year of no sign has passed, which would be Nov.

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited May 2016

    Artista,

    You can take Ovarian Suppressor (Lupron, Zoladex) + AI if you are premenopausal or perimenopausal, and you can take AI alone if you are post-menopause. If you choose an AI instead of Tamoxifen, the question is: when can you stop taking the OS? My MO assumed I was premenopausal because I was having regular periods before chemo. Indeed, after I started chemo in July 2014, I continued to have regular periods until September 2014. At that point, my ovaries were apparently too fried to function properly. MO didn't want to wait to see if my ovaries recovered after chemo; she wanted me on hormone therapy pronto. My cancer was 95% ER+/95% PR+, and it was Grade 3. So, she didn't bother to test my hormone levels.

    If you are deciding between Tamoxifen and an AI, you may want to test hormone levels to see which is most appropriate for you. If you are willing to consider OS + AI, it may not matter. Best wishes to you!

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited May 2016

    IMO if you prescribe anti hormones levels should be checked before during and after treatment. I will say it again....MOs just don't know enough about female hormones and thats why most don't check. i think there should be endocrinologists/and or gynecologists on the team when anti hormone therapy is prescribed. We are all not the same so we all don't metabolize and absorb medication the same. Good luck to all....

  • Denise-G
    Denise-G Member Posts: 1,777
    edited May 2016

    I had my last period 2 days before Mastectomy, so when MO put me on Arimidex after chemo and rads, he wanted to be sure I was in menopause.  He said that is a very tricky blood test as hormone levels vary greatly and Mayo Clinic has the best results so even though I was at the Univ of Michigan, he sent my blood to Mayo Clinic.   I remember the script said:   ESTRODIOL     I had to get it checked every 2 weeks for 3 months to make sure.  Then I had a follow-up test about one year ago.

    Bone Density/Dexascan - Myself, my mom, and sister were all diagnosed with BC within 3 years.  We are all on Arimidex.  ALL OF US had a dexascan BEFORE starting Arimidex for a baseline.  I have now had a follow-up since 3 years has elapsed for me.




  • SissyK
    SissyK Member Posts: 22
    edited May 2016

    When I asked about being tested for hormone levels, my MO said there was no need:  "It doesn't really matter what your estrogen level is because we don't know what level it takes for cancer to develop and grow."   FYI, I started with tamoxifen, it messed with my uterus and I had to have a complete hysterectomy, and then was switched to various AI's.

  • Kiks1
    Kiks1 Member Posts: 254
    edited May 2016

    So should I get my estrodiol level check before starting Aromasin even if I had the Lupron?

  • Artista928
    Artista928 Member Posts: 2,753
    edited May 2016

    I'm 95% ER and 50% PR. I didn't ask why do the test. It may be to figure the dose. She just tagged it on to my last chemo blood work. Every MO is different. She didn't do tumour markers on me either as she said these are not reliable.

  • Goodie16
    Goodie16 Member Posts: 446
    edited May 2016

    Kiks1, yes I would recommend you get an Estrodiol level checked. My onc checked it every month, prior to my shot. It's how we discovered Lupron wasn't suppressing my ovaries enough, or quickly enough, so I'm headed for surgery to have them removed.

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited May 2016

    SissyK...Im not a doctor but I am a RN. IMO estradiol levels should be checked. It can not be a good thing if your levels are high and your estrogen receptors are positive!

  • Kiks1
    Kiks1 Member Posts: 254
    edited May 2016

    Thanks everyone. I will make sure to talk to MO about getting my estradiol levels checked.

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited May 2016

    I think the test for whether you are truly in menopause is actually for FSH (Follicle Stimulating Hormone), not estradiol. It is what makes you ovulate.

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited May 2016

    Melissa....yes you are right but I think we are talking about two different things. FSH test is to see if you are menopausal and estradiol test IMO should be done once you are menopausal before during and after anti hormone treatment. Best to all.....

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2016

    Dear all, because I had some previous things going on before BC, I asked for my estrogen levels to be checked at least once a year by my gynocologist. I had a good baseline back then, pre-meno, not even peri-meno when I was dx at age 53 for BC.

    So when I realized that chemo probably put me in full chemopause, and it was time to get off the tamoxifen after a year, I asked my gyno to check my estrogen levels one more time. She did, and sure enough, I was menopausal. So I came armed with those lab reports when I went to my MO and asked to be placed on an AI. She didn't even blink, just wrote the prescription.

    I just prepared ahead of time, and it was easy.

  • Kiks1
    Kiks1 Member Posts: 254
    edited May 2016

    Thanks everyone, to take no chances I decided to get my levels checked since I was going to the gynecologist anyway. So my FSH is 32 and estradiol is 5. Now I feel better about starting aromasin.

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited May 2016

    Just ridiculous that we have to ask for this test! Really validates my point about MOs knowing very little about female hormones. IMO they have no business prescribing anti hormone therapy because of their lack of knowledge. There should be an endocrinologist and/or gynecologist on the team! Good luck to all...

  • grandma3X
    grandma3X Member Posts: 759
    edited July 2016

    I have been on Leterozole (Femara) for over three months. I asked my PCP to check my hormone levels, since this drug is supposed to reach maximum efficiency within 6 weeks and I wanted to be sure it was working. Surprisingly, my estrogen levels (estrone and estradiol) are all in the normal range for postmenopausal women, and my total estrogen levels are actually higher than the normal range for postmenapausal women (81 pg/mL whereas normal is <40)! My FSH levels indicate that I'm in menopause and I have not had a period in 5 years. I don't drink alcohol, I exercise at least 45 minutes every day and my BMI is about 20. What's going on? I read that estradiol should fall to <3 when on AIs but mine is 16.9 pg/mL!

  • grandma3X
    grandma3X Member Posts: 759
    edited July 2016

    So, I switched from the generic Sun Pharmaceuticals letrozole to name brand Femara after my estradiol levels came back high. I paid out of pocket to have it retested after a week on Femara and the estradiol levels are now below detection (<2.5 pg/mL). I'm still not totally convinced that it was the generic brand - the second test was done with a more sensitive and more specific LC/MS method, so it could have been just the method that they used the first time. My PCP is having me tested a third time using the first (less sensitive) method for direct comparison. I'll let you know how it turns out.

  • KCKCKT5
    KCKCKT5 Member Posts: 16
    edited October 2018

    Good Afternoon,

    I just had my levels checked with Salvia and same thing High! I've been on Femera (Letrozole) off for a 2 week break. What our we suppose to be looking at?


    Thk-

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited October 2018

    Hi there. Just curious what kind of doctor tested your estrogen via your saliva? Does not sound like something a conventional doc would do. I'm a firm believer in hormone testing before, during and after anti hormone treatment. However it is not routinely done by MOs except to see if you are pre or post menopausal.

  • Staceybee
    Staceybee Member Posts: 72
    edited October 2018

    I just had blood work done yesterday for the first time since I started on Lupron 4 months ago. They posted them this morning (Sat), but I am confused by the results. I will contact my doctor next week but in the meantime am curious if anyone has a perspective to share.

    First, they did not check estradiol, so surprised by that.

    Second, the FSH is very low at 2.3mU/mL. Isn't it supposed to be high because the Lupron is supposed to artificially put me in menopause? The range guide says Luteal 1.4-5.5. What the heck does that mean??


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