Emotions a few months later

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Jennvo
Jennvo Member Posts: 27

Hi,

Wondering if anyone else is experiencing sort of a latent response to the cancer diagnosis & surgery? It's about 4 months since my mastectomy and all the emotions fear and grief are finally catching up with me. I haven't really had a cancer support group so my discussions have been limited on the subject....


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  • Deirdre1
    Deirdre1 Member Posts: 1,461
    edited January 2016

    Hi Jennvo, you are not alone with the feelings you are experiencing... I had many a rough night (and day!) from 3 months 'til 2 years later.. now it wasn't always that low but there was an eb and flow about the grief - it's a loss and it's a loss that we are not adequately prepared for and I believe that is why it can take so long to heal.. There really needs to be more prep for someone considering such a huge loss - I did seek help from a "support group" but honestly that just wasn't worth the effort - with DCIS well let's just say that I wasn't thought of the same as other "survivors" (this site though was a wonderful relief for me!).. however I finally did get some relief when I went into therapy and really allowed myself to speak about the loss with myself and that was when I allowed the fear and grief to settle out and I stepped back from it!! I hope you get some relief and soon! Do yourself a blessing though and find a therapist that can help you work this through!!! My warmest thoughts are with you!!!

  • Jennvo
    Jennvo Member Posts: 27
    edited January 2016

    Yeah...I feel like the DCIS sort of separates me out...Not to mention my unusually scary high risk DCIS which separates me out further.

    I'm grateful for your reply and looking through the discussions really helps calm me down and to not feel so alone.

    I found that my therapist was not able to be supportive during my cancer diagnosis and surgery. Did you have a therapist who had some knowledge and/or personal experience with cancer?

    I hate to sound unpleasant but that "sad clown" face that people, including my therapist and primary care doctor, give me when I talk about it is just unbearable!

    Oh well....Breathe!!!

    :-)

  • Deirdre1
    Deirdre1 Member Posts: 1,461
    edited January 2016

    Wow - if your therapist wasn't able to be supportive well honestly - get another therapist!!! No my therapist did not have experience or I should say specialty in the area of cancer - but their role is to HELP you through anything you might be going through! The "sad clown" face reminds me of how many times I heard my male doc's (and I had several when everything was said and done) said "yes... this is what I would recommend for my own wife" - their doc's - their job is to get the cancer out, make sure they have done everything to make sure it doesn't come back and perhaps, if you have a reconstructive doc to make you feel as close to normal in appearance as you did before the surgeries!!! That said really none of them have the task of making sure your personal mental well being is taken care of ! I would keep trying the therapists until you did get someone who was supportive!!!

    We are rushed through these decisions so quickly I have always wondered why a therapist isn't included with the expert teams... I am really sorry - it is a loss and you need to grieve it anyone (doc's or otherwise} suggests you should buck up and get through it just hasn't experienced anything like it themselves!!!

    Deirdre

  • Brutersmom
    Brutersmom Member Posts: 563
    edited January 2016

    Jennvo,

    You are not alone. I had my surgery in August. I had a melt down over the holidays. Thought I was ding great. Little things seem to bother me that never would have before. I think it is pretty normal. There are just so many emotions and they sho up when you least expect it.

  • CAMommy
    CAMommy Member Posts: 437
    edited January 2016

    me too! Right before my first follow up mammo I was a mess. Then it got better until before my MO follow up and it got bad again. I hope it dies down with time.

  • Jennvo
    Jennvo Member Posts: 27
    edited January 2016

    HI CAMommy

    MO followup up...what is that?

    I'm supposed to have my first MRI followup in March. Thinking it will be a white knuckle event.

  • CAMommy
    CAMommy Member Posts: 437
    edited January 2016

    medical oncologist follow up. Every time I have anything related to my DCIS I start to get nervous a week or two before. I saw him yesterday now I'm in a happy place again. I'll start worrying again in June, I'm sure.

  • shirley182
    shirley182 Member Posts: 3
    edited April 2016

    hi i had left mastectomy in july 16 no other treatment dealt with everything fine ..went back to work in dec everything ok but this last month i felt as if my world has crumbled ..im weepy at everything very depressed had to have councilling to talk..and sleeping sometimes for 12 hours at a time ..they have said its a delayed reaction as i boxed everything up but now its hitting me ..it made me feel with sleeping so much something was wrong but according to them its because my body was in shock. Can i also say i too feel that when you have a mastectomy you seem to feel out of the cancer care club so slightly on your own ..because your not going back for other treatment you tend to just deal with things and not contact your nurse unless you notice things..so you bottle things up and dont talk

  • Kkubsky
    Kkubsky Member Posts: 231
    edited April 2016

    I am just about done with radiation. I have been wondering when will things be normal again. I get totally about the DCIS doesn't really count as cancer thing. It's "only" DCIS. Yes, I am grateful that it wasn't invasive but that really doesn't change the fact of what I am dealing with at the moment. My husband and some of my friends think that once the radiation is done, everything will be back to normal. While relieved that my "active" treatment will be done, I don't see my future as anything normal. I am going to a cancer support group next week. They offer support groups, individual therapy, and wellness activities such as yoga, tai chi, cooking, art, etc. I was wondering if they will think I "only" have DCIS too....


  • Brutersmom
    Brutersmom Member Posts: 563
    edited April 2016

    Kkubsky it does get better. Most of my non cancer friends don't get the on going concern and worry but people her and other people I know that have had cancer do get it and are a great support. My life is getting back to normal. It is not the same as before but I made the decision to live as close to normal as I can.

  • Iowawoman
    Iowawoman Member Posts: 28
    edited April 2016

    I wasn't DCIS, but I'll chime in on how long it's taken to feel more normal again. For me, I didn't start to feel like myself until about 4 months after rads. I was at the breast cancer 5k that my mom and sister and I have been doing for years. Mom, by the way, is the runner; my sister and I walk. Anyway, it was the first time I was there as a surviver, and I cried in front of everyone. (Crap, I'm crying now, remembering.)

    Anyway, I started feeling a lot better mentally after that. Life is here to be lived, so I'm trying not to dwell on dark thoughts. That said, a little constructive wallowing is not a bad thing from time to time. Which is why I popped back in to check the boards for the first time in ages.

    Keeping you in my thoughts,

    Lisa

  • Kkubsky
    Kkubsky Member Posts: 231
    edited April 2016

    I am feeling worse than before. I just cannot deal with this. I did go to the cancer support and spoke to a therapist. She was very nice and showed me what she thought I might be interested in. This place is for all kinds of cancer and I asked if there were any DCIS ladies. She thought there might be a few but sounded kind of iffy about it. I felt a little out of place to be honest.

    At the moment I am second guessing every decision I made. I probably spend way too much time on the internet looking up all sorts of statistics. I am terrified that I will get a recurrence and that will be the end of me. Yes I know I was very fortunate I have DCIS and as far as I know, it has all been removed. But I do have grade 3, with comedo necrosis, and am ER/PR negative. The more I read about that particular type, the more terrified I become.

    Has anyone had to go on antidepressants to help them cope? I do have Ativan and it has helped those hi anxiety moments but what I feel now is a constant feeling of doom. Not sure that Ativan is really for that. I have put a message in to my PCP to see about getting some kind of medication. Am waiting for a response.


  • RDA123
    RDA123 Member Posts: 100
    edited April 2016

    I'm on an antidepressant (was on before dx) and it has really helped me get through this!!

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited April 2016

    Hi kkubsky:

    Many people struggle shortly after active treatment ends, so I am glad you are checking in with your PCP. The whole experience is traumatic (with features similar to PTSD or actual PTSD). When treatment ends, your mind is freed up to enter into review-and-feel-mode.

    Did you go to the support group? If not, don't hesitate to drop in and check it out. Whoever you talked to (a layperson coordinator?) may simply be unsure what the various diagnoses of people in the support group are. Maybe that is a good thing.

    Another thing to look for if you wish, are hospital-based stress reduction programs, such as mindfulness-based programs or gentle yoga for breast cancer survivors. Maybe a Tai-chi or Qi-Gong class or DVD?

    Are you able to get outside and exercise? I walk at the track so I can wear earpods and listen to cheery music while I walk. It keeps my mind engaged and helps with pace. Started slow and relaxed and built up slowly.

    I also kept reviewing my treatment choices and reading, learning, and appreciating more about the diagnosis. Sometimes it can be valuable, sometimes not so much. Nighttime was the hardest for me (lying awake in bed), so I made rules: No reading about breast cancer after 8:00 PM (including these discussion boards). Turn off all electronic devices if you have to. I also blocked the forums or threads that gave me added anxiety (no reading them at any time). Pick something you love to do in the evenings (a favorite show, book, craft). If that is not enough, then take a vacation from reading about breast cancer at all for a few weeks or more until your anxiety levels taper off. The information will always be there when you can tolerate it better. Be kind to yourself, and let yourself recover both mentally and physically from what you have been through.

    Things are better now than before.

    BarredOwl


  • LAstar
    LAstar Member Posts: 1,574
    edited April 2016

    I second the exercise suggestion -- it helps me with anxiety and moodiness and I feel better knowing I am actively reducing my recurrence risk (on average, statistically speaking).


  • Kkubsky
    Kkubsky Member Posts: 231
    edited April 2016

    thanks for all the great advice. I walk everyday and throw in a Zumba dvd or line dance every once in a while. My dog keeps me busy too. Oddly enough I sleep fairly well most nights. I have become obsessed with healthy eating which I suppose is not a bad thing. I have lost about 8 lbs since I stopped a lot of junk and processed food!

    I cannot seem to stop myself from going on the Internet. My newest craziness is looking up triple negative br ca and convincing myself that when(not if) I get a recurrence it will be that.

    I used to drive myself crazy about the grade 3 and necrosis. Now I am making myself nuts about negative receptors. I am my own worst enemy.

    And the fact that my 13 yr old Newfie probably is going to have to be put down is not helping.

    So far 2016 stinks!!!

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited April 2016

    Oh no, so sorry, my hugely loved 15 year old spaniel had to be put down a few months after I was diagnosed, I have a special Bush I have in every garden I live in now........my memory Bush for him.............

  • BarredOwl
    BarredOwl Member Posts: 2,433
    edited April 2016

    Hi kkubsky:

    I am very sorry to hear about your pet. It is like losing a family member.

    It sounds like you are doing pretty good on the exercise and healthy eating part of things! About the internet, I think at first I tried to gather all this information, because my subconscious mind believed somehow there was some key piece of information out there about my future or answers to how I got here. It drove me to keep looking.for.answers until eventually I (and my brain) realized some things do not have a clear answer and I would never find what I was looking for. Plus, it wasn't doing me any good anxiety-wise. No matter how hard I looked, at this time, there is no information on the planet that can accurately predict my individual outcome with certainty, which is what my brain wants to know. Over time, the mind gets more used to the new uncertainty, but it takes some time to get there.

    BarredOwl


  • Kkubsky
    Kkubsky Member Posts: 231
    edited April 2016

    barred owl-you are right...I am looking for that elusive piece that will let me figure everything out. I keep trying to work the numbers in my favor...which I guess in reality they already are. I am so not a gambler or risk taker in my life. Believe it or not, I am generally quite logical about things. I am generally a realist, not overly pessimistic or optimistic. I like the illusion of control. This has turned me into a nutcase on the verge of a nervous breakdown....

    I did speak to my Nurse Navigator and she gave me some contacts for some one on one therapy. I also am not thrilled with my MO. So they are going to set up an appt with a different one. Not sure just what purpose they serve since I am not on any hormone treatment. But maybe they can answer some of my crazy questions....and coordinate follow up care. And in my nutcase mind I figure I want a good relationship with an MO for my recurrence....

    My dog rallied a little bit tonight but I am not expecting a miracle. Maybe just a little time to say good bye....and give some extra love. I like the memory bush idea a lot....



  • Jennvo
    Jennvo Member Posts: 27
    edited April 2016

    Hi Kkubsky,

    I too had the hormone neg stage 3 comedo DCIS. We got the bad boy didn't we? Although the hormone receptor status did save me from being prescribed the hormone blockers. I'm curious about your radiation treatment. Was the DCIS close to the chest wall? My situation was a little odd...my Drs couldn't really tell from the MRI whether or not I was going to need radiation (I didn't). It was very confusing and stressful.

    Sorry you have to go through a tough time with your beloved pet right now.

    Jennvo


    Update: I see ... you had a lumpectomy and rads always come with that...


  • Jennvo
    Jennvo Member Posts: 27
    edited April 2016

    BTW I did start taking fluoxetine following a suggestion earlier in this thread...It has helped me a lot. :-)

  • Jennvo
    Jennvo Member Posts: 27
    edited April 2016

    Hi Shirley182

    I hear ya! not having any more treatment was hard for me to accept. I signed up for the news emails from cancer network (http://www.cancernetwork.com/) and Oncotherapy Network (http://www.oncotherapynetwork.com/). That way the latest research comes to me and I don't need to freak myself out with everything on the internet. I email my MO questions if I have questions about what I read in the emails and she's great about responding. It really has helped me a lot (along with the fluoxetine ;-)

  • Kkubsky
    Kkubsky Member Posts: 231
    edited April 2016

    Jennvo-and that is why I am having a mental breakdown about recurrence!

    Part of me wants to keep up with everything but I do believe it is making me nuts. The other part says worrying won't stop it from recurring, it just takes away from enjoying life, so I should stop thinking about it! But it is hard to stop creating awful scenarios in my mind. But I am going to follow up with some therapy and will see if I can get some meds..... I want my life to be about more than my left boob.

  • Jennvo
    Jennvo Member Posts: 27
    edited April 2016

    Yeah that's where I was too. It can be overwhelming. One of the folks on this board told me not to look too far into the future and I think that helped me too.... When I take a look around in this moment, nothing scary is actually happening. You're actually the first one I've come across to have the same diagnosis as I had. I am comforted in finding you!

  • TB90
    TB90 Member Posts: 992
    edited April 2016

    Jennvo & Kkubsky: When I just read your posts I thought you were writing about me a year ago. I too worried excessively about recurrence to the point of actually having an emotional crisis. Everyone of us with DCIS has some factor to cause extra worry. Very few have a simple small spot of DCIS, low grade and very clear margins. But we are all so fortunate to not have invasive bc yet. We are given an opportunity to move on and never face this disease again. If we allow ourselves to do that. It is not the disease, but our minds and thoughts that prevent us from moving on. I tried so hard to control my health and given the fact that I had a focal point of positive margin even following a mx, thus the radiation, that I drove myself crazy literally. I lost weight, exercised daily, ate very healthy, cut out the wine, etc. And then one morning I woke up and could not stop crying or get out of bed. This has never happened to me. After an antidepressant, psychiatrist that deals with cancer patients and several months, I recovered. I see how I was trying to control something that I could not control. I now accept that and have adopted a much more balanced life. I realize that my innocence has been taken away and I will never approach my health or health appts. the same, but I do not want to waste the likelihood that cancer will never be part of my life again by making it a daily worry. The odds are greatly in our favour regardless of our personal risk factors. I am back drinking wine modestly and returning to the person I was. I am back laughing and forgetting about the little likelihood of a recurrence given everything else that could happen to me in the meantime. Counseling does help, as do Rx. But your state of mind and thoughts have the greatest impact of all. I hope your journey never becomes as difficult as mine was. Good luck to the two of you.

  • Jennvo
    Jennvo Member Posts: 27
    edited April 2016

    "I am back laughing and forgetting about the little likelihood of a recurrence given everything else that could happen to me in the meantime."

    So much has happened with others that I love since my dx We just don't know what is to come. Thinking positively and enjoying the moment is probably a good idea for all of us, regardless.

  • Kkubsky
    Kkubsky Member Posts: 231
    edited April 2016

    That is just what I needed to hear! I am guilty of trying to control what I cannot. I keep trying to understand that which is not possible to understand. I suppose I am looking for guarantees that I will never have to deal with this again. Although I know there are much worse things people deal with.

    My friends and family are afraid I am on the edge of a nervous breakdown. I have names of some therapists that perhaps I will call. I'll see how I feel on Monday. Maybe now that I no longer have to "baby" my boob, I can just get back to my new normal. I have felt like a slob these past few months. Never thought I would miss my underwire bra so much!! And to be able to lay on my stomach and not have to worry about hurting my boob. No more special creams, back to wearing deodorant, back to regular shirts without irritation or itchiness. And thanks to better eating I am finally losing the weight I have been wanting to for so long. It really is time to move on.

  • Kkubsky
    Kkubsky Member Posts: 231
    edited June 2016

    well I had a good month of not really worrying. Now for some reason, recurrence has come back into the forefront of my mind. Ugh. I am back to worrying and thinking negatively.

    On a good note I lost another 7 lbs. about 15 total. Another 10 or so would be great.

    On a sad note I had to put my Newfie to sleep 2 weeks ago. Now I am dealing with my German Shepherd that won't eat.

    I did start going to a "transitions" group last week. Maybe that got me going again? I just really need to get beyond this.

  • lessharp
    lessharp Member Posts: 122
    edited June 2016

    Kkubsky, I'm so sorry for your Newfie. That is such a tough decision...


    I hope you are able to move on from the cancer. Mine was also er-/pr- (they didn't test my HER) comedo necrosis grade 3...not to mention Paget's, which is extremely rare. So I could be triple neg for all i know. My BS quit the practice right before my 6 mo followup...so I made an appt with an oncologist. He pretty much said I was cured. It's hard to not focus on that small recurrence risk...but, MO said I have more chance of getting something else than breast cancer again.


    We are sooooo very lucky. Well, not that we got cancer...but that we have found it so early and treatable. My allergy nurse has stage IV. She says she has about 2 years to live...but she appreciates every moment with her children and husband. Her outlook is so amazing. She takes nothing for granted and enjoys her life. We will all die someday, and no one knows exactly when. Shouldn't we strive to live it the best way we can? You got grazed by a bullet...but you weren't hit. This is a wake-up call to live your life! Hug your loved ones, be kind to your neighbors...enjoy and appreciate the life that you have :-)

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