TRIPLE POSITIVE GROUP
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Hi, All:
Life seems to go back to normal, I am taking tamoxifen and all SE are manageable so far. I do have a question, periodically my energy will just drain out, sometimes I can only be functional for a couple hours and collapse after that. I would like to know how long does it take to regain the normal energy level after the chemo/radiation/herceptin ordeal?
Thanks
Colleen
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Blownaway- GREAT NEWS!!! Very Happy for you!
Linda- thanks so much for sharing your 6 year anniversary with us! Congratulations to you! You give us all hope💕
Cjpecori- I was negative for all genes on the "my risk" panel but my genetic counselor said if I was positive for any, then it would mean an 87% chance of reoccurrence in other breast...so they always recommend BMX.
Tres- Congrat on the All Clear!!!
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Hi,
New to this party:(. My tumor on MRI was 1.2cm and the team is recommending that I have surgery first in order to accurately stage. I'm 47 and I understand the plan so that if my nodes are clear (Mri didn't show anything) if that stays the same, I'll be stage 1a and TH for 3 months vs TCHP for 5. Either case Herceptin for a year. Decided to have BMX, not sure of the recon meet with PS on Tues. Feel like the oddball with surgery first. Nervous
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Greetings! I find myself here after two biopsies (needle & surgical), a lumpectomy & sentinel node dissection, and double mastectomy. Will be starting TH chemo in the next few weeks.
Thanks tresjoli2 for the invite
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you're welcome Mizzoh! I find this thread very helpful as it doesn't seem there are many of us "triple positives"
Natty I had surgery before chemo...and am almost finished with my year of herceptin.
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I also had surgery first, that way the could determine my treatment depending on the results.
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Natty, I also had surgery first. I was not referred to MO until after surgery. Not sure why that was.
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Thank you so so much for the repliesTresjoli2, Karen C and Lvbugs. That's comforting to hear. My appointment schedule has been SO then PS then MO last primarily due to availability. The MO was booked out for 2 weeks - I asked if there had been a cancer Groupon lol. I'm trying to focus on the eviction process and hope I don't have to wait too long to start whatever regimen they put me on. My oldest graduates from HS at the end of May so I'm hopeful to be mostly healed. Sheesh - the timing of all of this is fabulous. I'm so grateful for this thread and the kind folks on it - I've been lurking since the results of my biopsy and it has been very comforting. Thank you all
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Natty back in 2010 most of us did have surgery first who didn't have any node involvement. Granted they thought there might of been micromets but there wasn't. MRI said my tumor was 6.5cm. Technically it was right but my tumor was only 5.5cm IDC the other 1cm was DCIS. So your tumor could actually be part something non invasive. They stage you on the invasive part only (unless there is no invasive part then you are stage 0).
I saw my MO for the 1st time 2 weeks after my surgery.
But if you would feel more comfortable I would ask to see a MO before you make your decision. Unless they already discussed this as a team.
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Thank you Lago for that insight. My biopsy was a combo platter of "invasive mammary carcinoma" and dcis. SO explained that it more thank likely originated in the duct and has broken out into the surrounding lobe. Initial mammo/US had it at 6x8mm and after MRI it was11x12mm. I had come out of the gate asking for a BMX but my SO discussed my case with the MO since I couldn't get in to see her for a week and waiting on the plan was stressing me. I see the MO and PS on Tuesday, then wait for my date..
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Trying to understand Triple Positive?? Bad or good?
sorry for being completely naive but just reading through the threads and I'm confused. Does everyone with Triple positive get chemo and Herceptin? I have not been to MO, this is planned for after surgery. The SO says I am stage I with <1cm IDC and another area 6mm of DCIS on pathology, but 4.8 cm on MRI in the area of IDC. I'm trying to ready my mind for whatever I need. I'm planning on Bilateral Mastectomy with reconstruction. Anyone with similar profile or advice?
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About two-fifths of breast cancer patients test positive for HER2+ cancer. HER2+ cancer USED to have some of the worst outcomes. An over-expression of the HER2+ protein tells cancer cells to replicate quickly. But, since the discovery of targeted therapies like Herceptin and Perjeta, the outcomes have improved.
Being ER+/PR+ is very common. Most breast care patients are ER+/PR+ and HER2-. That part of your diagnosis tells you that your cancer was fed by estrogen, and that your oncologist will recommend that you take an ESD (estrogen sucking drug) for 5 -- 10 years. There are two kinds of ESDs, Tamoxifen and aromatase inhibitors.
Yes, most triple positive women get chemo + Herceptin and possibly Perjeta (most likely if you do your chemo before your surgery, like I did). But, your regimen may depend on how much IDC they discover after your bilateral mastectomy. If your IDC lump is greater than 1 cm, you may end up with a more aggressive regimen. If it is less than 1 cm, your oncologist may recommend just Taxol + Herceptin. Your surgical pathology will tell your team much more than they know from your biopsy.
Hope this helps!
Best wishes!
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Natty it was 6 weeks between biopsy and surgery for me. You really shouldn't wait more than 5. Sooner the better. But as you can see I'm fine. Remember that biopsies only take samples. They can't sample everything nor can the tell how much of your tumor is DCIS or IDC. Only after surgery before chemo can they do that. But if you do chemo first you can see how your tumor responds to chemo. I have no idea how my tumor responded to chemo but must of worked because I'm 5.5+ years NED!
Health23 with cancer the glass will seems to be always 1/2 empty AND 1/2 Full! HER2+ means aggressive BUT drugs like Herceptin is great to combat HER2+. There are a few more but depending on the size of your tumor but it sounds like from what you are stating that you might be eligible for Perjeta too. I did not get Perjeta because it wasn't approved for early stage at the time I was getting treated and wasn't eligible to get into a study.
My SO said my tumor was 7cm, MRI showed 6.5cm, surgery it was 5.5cm of IDC with 1cm of DCIS. Even with the MRI you still don't know how much of the 4.8cm is IDC. I did get a bilateral with recon. My other breast had 4 suspicious spots, one my BS was really concerned about. I would have to have them biopsied every year so the recommendation was remove it. Sure enough that one little spot was LCIS making me high risk for a new breast cancer since I already had a diagnosis of cancer in one breast. other spots were cysts. -
ElaineTherese: Your synopsis is the best one I've seen! Oncologists need to take lessons from you
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Thanks, Mizzoh. I should say, though, that everything I know about +++, I learned from this board and its veterans (Special K, lago, etc.).
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Thanks so much (again) for that information. Lago I bet those were some scary times for you finding what was lurking in the other breast. So glad to see you are doing so well on the other side of this adventure. Elaine that was a great synopsis for sure and I will use that often to explain when people ask - which is happening a lot especially when I tell them that I've opted to do the bilateral out of the gate. Hoping to find out tomorrow at my PS and MO appts and exact date. I guess I will still also have to have the cardiac work up too before the Herceptin so trying to juggle all of these appointments with work - I feel like I need an assistant just for that:)
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Natty believe it or not I knew most were cysts. I wanted a bilateral. I have very dense breasts and at that time I was a small 34B. I was already in shock when they told me I had a 6.5-7cm tumor since no one spotted it on the last mammo, and I had a scare 4 years ago in the same spot! The tumor was in the posterior region and my breasts were dense… and the f@*king radiologists were blind at the place that was doing the screening. My BS knew just by looking at mammo (they sent the wrong disk for US) that I had cancer. At the screening place they said "suspicious but not typical!"
So like I said, not big deal of a small amount of cancer in other breast when you have a big on in the other. It was…off with their heads
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Wow! I too have dense breasts and only when I read my last mammo did I learn that. I would maybe have asked for ultrasounds earlier on had I known, I was told that this tumor has probably been camping out there for a few years but neither here nor there at this point. I'm able to see my own record (I'm a nurse) and I scour it everyday so that I can hold everyone accountable - in a nice way. I think when I went in to my first meeting with the SO, I was kind of guns a blazin' to have the double so the lumpectomy radiation speech was short since I could tell I wasn't interested. But my husband was there so she tried to spell it all out. I was trying to explain to him that if I had to get mammos (that maybe I didnt trust) and biopsies every 6 months that I would literally go insane so the girls had to go. I had saline implants placed 13 years ago since I was a 34A on one since and a AAA on the other - not pretty and hard to find bras. Even with my current implants they still aren't symmetrical so I'm kind of curious to see what kind of foobs I wind up with. Thanks Mother Nature. lol
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I used to be a 32a when younger. I too wanted to go a little bigger. Was told a large B or small C. I ended up with a 34D! While they look fine it's a big change for me. I'm still trying to figure out how to dress these girls.
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natty - was there any mention about being able to have bi-lat mastectomy and direct to implant reconstruction since you already have implants? If they are behind the muscle you already have a pocket and you might be able to upsize the implants and you would end up with relatively the same size you are currently in one surgery.
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Hi Special K - a general surgeon who is a friend of mine had suggested that I ask about the PS about that as mine were placed behind the muscle. I certainly hope that can be the case - not that I'm looking to be even the same or bigger but I would definitely go smaller since they will take the tiny amount of breast tissue I have to avoid the additional surgery involved with the TEs. What seems to be the consensus of silicone vs saline? Back when I had my implants placed, they had moved away from silicone and 90% were saline. Have things changed? I haven't researched that aspect yet. Thanks so much for sharing all of your knowledge on these threads - invaluable!!!
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natty - silicone was pulled from the market for a while due to concerns about leaking and autoimmune disease, so saline became the only alternative for a while. Studies showed that silicone was safe, so use resumed and in the meantime cohesive gel came on the market so that if there is a leak the gel doesn't travel. There are also shaped anatomical (teardrop) implants made of form stable gel that some patients choose. Most choose silicone because it is thought to ripple less and feel less firm, there are some who desire larger than the current 800cc limit in silicone and use an 800cc saline and overfill it to achieve more size. You can actually place a larger implant that you currently have and the pocket will stretch a bit and you may be able to be close to the size you are now, if that is something you want, and have a surgical situation that you can spare your skin. Some do direct to implant without first having had augmentation, so there is some flexibility there.
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Thanks SpecialK - had no idea there were that many options. You have armed me with great information to take to my PS tomorrow - thank you so much for that. I'm intrigued about having something that's softer, I can feel the rippling under my saline implants now and though it doesn't bother me, softer might be nice. But really, I just want to be cancer free and look like myself again. My husband on the other hand might be interested in those 800's - just kidding. Well you have eased my mind about the direct to implant process - I was concerned that there would be too much pulling against the incision (not keeping my nipples). Thank you again!!
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Natty I have the silicone cohesive gel round. They are softer than than saline and I don't have any rippling (a little if I lean over without a bra). One difference is the silicone take the temperature of the air where the saline take the temperature of your body. I don't notice it but in the winter if you touch your breast it will feel as cold as your feet
I'm still happy I went with silicone. Wish the teardrop was approved when I got recon. I hear they can be a little firmer.
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Lago - thank you for sharing that. I was reading somewhere on the forum about the gummy bear type not being recommended due to my existing implants - something about the pocket being too big. If I recall Mine are 300s overfilled on one side to 330 and 400 maybe on the other but this new pair I guess will have to take into account the loss of my exisinting breast tissue. So not sure what he'll say about the recon tomorrow a far as sizing goes. It would be lovely if I could stay the same, move them closer together and not be droopy - oh and while I'm asking, brow lift, lipo.... lol. That is so interesting about the temperature. Surely there's a catchy name for that:) I really just hadn't even entertained the possibility of being able to avoid additional surgeries and go straight to an implant so I'm hopeful. I'm strongly considering the silicone - I like the idea of them being softer and maybe feel like they are more integrated with my body. You have really really helped me and I so appreciate you taking your time to talk me through this.
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Natty funny story. 2 years ago I had my 35 high school reunion. I decided to wear a tank dress. Ask my mom if I should go without a bra. She gave me this lecture about at a certain age you really should be wearing a bra. I came out in the dress without the bra and said "mom these girls are never moving south." She laughed and agreed.
But we warned because I am numb I had to tell my friends to watch my dress to be sure it didn't fall down. There are a few photos where the dress was a little questionable. They weren't very good at noticing.
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Lago that's awesome! I'm kinda looking forward to going braless on occasion since I won't have any nipples to worry about. After your almost wardrobe malfunction I might get some two sided tape:)
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dress was heavy. 2 sided tape didn't work
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Good Morning ladies, I am new to posting to this group, though I have read a few of the posts in the past weeks, very insightful and I am quite thankful! Some background on me, I had a biopsy and they thought it was only IDC but the surgeon thought that there was more, so insisted on a lumpectomy this all happened on xmas eve , so Jan 8th I did where they found 2 spots, one was 2.5cm ( HER2+) and one that was .7cm ( HER2-). Chemo began Feb 8th. I am on Perjeta and Herceptin in addition to the Taxotere and Carboplatin though it is not approved in my case ( post surgery) but it is the most aggressive way to fight it as there are all grade 3. I had one treatment minus the Perjeta as it makes me rather sick, but I would rather have that then be back in this situation in 3 years from now.
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Frances hang in there. Perjeta hasn't been approved post surgery, yet but had been approved before surgery. It takes a long time for these things to get approved but the studies are ongoing. I'm sure your MO has seen good results from the initial info on those studies.
BTW I live in Chicago. Are you in Chicagoland or down state?
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