PBMX - April 20... help me prepare!
BRCA1 positive. Strong family history of BC & OC. Scheduled for PBMX with immediate TE reconstruction starting April 20.
Im frightened, depressed about having to do this. Worrying about the loss of sensation, the pain associated with TEs, the concept of facing multiple surgeries to rebuild a shape that allows me to look whole again.
Ive read everything I can get my hands on to prepare. But nothing seems to answer my questions adequately. Im worried about things like post surgery pain, inability to move arms, dealing with drains and basic movement like pulling up my pants or undies, taking care of bodily functions like whiping after going to the bathroom or brushing my hair when both arms will be affected by surgery. Are these simple tasks difficult or painful? How soon can I be home alone for the day if no complications?. Will i need help to get out of bed? When will I be able to dress myself? How long before i can expect to lift my arms above my head? Push or pull open a door? Drive a car?
PS indicated he prescribes only tylenol with codine after surgery. Is this medication typical/sufficient for post op pain levels for this type of surgery?
Im really anxious about this journey. I'd like to hear from others who have completed the process of PBMX, TE, Nipple reconstruction with tatoos, who can help me understand what to expect. I want to some day be able to do an unassisted pull up. Is this goal impossible after the pecs are cut for implant/mastectomy? Finding it difficult to sleep with worrying .
Headed home to tell family in a few days. Any advice on how to break the news to them would also be appreciated.
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I only had a UMX so can't really tell you the whole scoop. But based on my limited experience, the worst part is coughing. The drain is a little painful if it pulls. The itching and chafing from the Jobst bra is a big annoyance. My pain meds are Percocet. One if it's not too bad and two for the first few days when the pain was pretty bad. The best advice I can give on going to the bathroom is just take it slow and find what works best. Don't be afraid to take the meds and when you are in the hospital take them whenever you can. I get really tired so nap whenever. My clock is a little out of whack right now but I nap when I feel like it. (And I usually don't take naps, go figure). I just try to keep everything moving, especially on my surgical arm. That seems to help with the soreness and probably helps with the swelling also. As for telling your family, I just cam right out and told them. I had the nipple sparing surgery with TE placement and so far, that has not really bothered me. My ribs/pects are sore but I think that that is just from the surgery and cutting them to be able to place the TE. You will worry-that is normal. Don't be afraid to have a meltdown once in a while. That is normal too. You are facing an uphill battle and some major surgery. If you need to talk with someone, send me a PM. Unfortunately, I am usually up by about 4 MDT. Sucks to be us doesn't it? Good luck.
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Dear LRGO2016,
Sorry to hear about what you are going through right now. Post Surgery can be a stressful time and particularly worrying when you don't know what to expect in the aftermath.
We do recommend you spending some time with your surgeon and asking him/her the questions you brought up in your post.
As well as that, you may also find it helpful to joining the: Surgery Ladies: April 2016 support group
Here is some information including; what you can expect to happen after the surgery, as well as at home recovery from mastectomy.
Thinking of you,
The Moderators.
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Thanks for posting! I am wondering also whether there is a sort engine for this website. I would like to keep track of some threads by sorting on key words. Can a Mod tell me how to do this?
I am meeting with a Nurse who hosts the local BC support group today. She will try to answer some of my questions and help me prepare for the family "presentation" of this unfortunate genetic history. I am hoping my family will be proactive with their own health care and giving them this info will allow their doctors to assist with proactive screening.
I'm only two weeks away now from taking the plunge. As the date nears, I find myself being more anxious. I keep telling myself that once it is over, I will have eliminated as much risk as I can that I will have to fight the Cancer monster... After reading about and meeting with cancer survivors - I know I am LUCKY to have this option. But the rational side of my brain is at war with the fearful side.... The battle to stay calm and find happy thoughts still rages...
Just knowing this forum exists and that I can feel free to let this stress out is comforting.
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I learned a lot by joining the surgery group for the month I was having surgery. Maybe read back a couple months to see how those ladies did. I had very little pain from surgery. I came home with a pain ball around my neck. My insurance didn't cover it but the $200 extra was very worth it. I was off the narcotics within a few days. The hardest part for me was the stretching of the pecs. That gets better, but until it does it is no picnic. Take care and best wishes for an uneventful surgery and boring recovery.
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thank you for the reply Farmerlucy. I feel so alone with this. My hubby is doing his best but he is equally frightened by what we are facing. I wish I better understood what to expect after. TE sounds awful. Is it going to be something I can "pop in to the Dr office at lunch" get inflated, then go back to work?
How easy or difficult is that process to adapt to?
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The fills are no big deal. Aside from waiting for the plastic surgeon it takes only a few minutes. I recommending going low and slow. Some ladies get 50-60 ccs every other week. I had 200 cc at surgery and one more at 150cc that one was incredibly painful so I said "we're done". Many ladies don't have a lot of problems with the pain. My pecs were really strong since I work outdoors a lot so there may be a correlation between strong pecs and pain.
The absolute greatest feeling in the world will be when you wake up from surgery and realize you've outrun the beast.
I had 3D tattoos from Vinny Myer in Baltimore. They are the best part of all of this.
You'll get through this. It is going to be a big surgery and many people will question your motives BUT you and I know the fear of living under the Spector of the beast. If you can prevent it I say "why the h@// not."
PM me anytime if you want to. We're all in the boat together. Hugs!
Edited to add - just saw where you're braca pos. Oh heck yeah no brainer.
You might talk to your surgeon about the whole node issue. I did not have nodes taken so after they found the surprise IDC it was a scramble to figure out the node status. Angelina Jolie had the dye put in and the node marked but not taken
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So sorry about your need for the surgeries. I too only had a single mastectomy. I am 3 weeks out today and feel good. I had very little pain which is rare but not unheard of. Everyone responds differently. I cannot comment on a double mastectomy but will say that I still had minimal use of my left arm. Enough to brush my teeth and put my hair behind my ear. After your drains come out which for me was a week, I could move more. The less you move the quicker the drains come out according to my dr. So I did as little as I could. Keep small bottles of water on your counters and small snack packs close to you.
Mentally this is really hard but I have come to accept that we all have obstacles to overcome and this is ours. Every day you will move a little better and feel better. It takes time. I needed to sleep propped up on a few pillows. I also put 2 under my left arm to prevent swelling. I am down to one pillow under my arm and 2 under my head. I found these shower pockets on Amazon.com which helped keep the drains out of my way and I didn't need to pin them on my clothes. If you get them make sure you order based on single vs double mastectomy as they will come with a pouch for each drain. I've only had 1 expansion so far. It didn't hurt at all except for when she touched my skin. I will ask her to skip the bandaid next time. Taking that off hurt a lot. Feels like a sunburn. I'm ready to have that sensation go away but I guess it takes time. My TE sticks out a bit on the sides (can only see it when I have nothing on - in a bra even after just 1 fill I look no different than before and I was a c cup). So as the TE gets filled the ends will naturally come to the center. I did notice this after the first fill and it felt better. It is uncomfortable but not unbearable. I remind myself that it beats the cancerous breast any day. Wish I could help more. Give yourself time. You will get there. Good luck.
Yes the TE fill was quick and easy. I was in and out in 10 min. My husband was away so I went solo and it was fine. Actually felt liberating to go somewhere on my own.
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farmerlucy - I found Vinny Myer's website and he does work in New Orleans too - much nearer to where I currently live in TX. I am considering having him do my future tattoos. His work is great! That step is very far down the road for me. l For now I am focused on just getting beyond April 20 and the rough weeks immediately thereafter. I plan to work on my farm when I retire. Right now it is just acres of hay. But I'll have a fabulous garden for growing veggies. Are you able to heft bales of hay after your surgery? I need to know that I'll be able to be as physically strong and active as I am now. I'm willing to work to get back to my present state, just want to know it is possible.
Thanks,
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You know, a decrease in strength was a fear for me too, but I can do everything I did before the mx. You can always feel your pecs flex if you think about it but four years in I rarely do and it is the new normal.
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Well, family discussion went better than i expected. Though shocked and dismayed, they all agreed to get gene tested. Im thrilled they are willing to face their potential risk with courage. They are supportive and agree with my choice of treatment. There were tears, a long discussion of family history, laughter at stories, and anguish when I had to leave to return home, 800 miles away. Im on the edge of tears now but so happy they will be proactive in addressing their own risk. This was the best outcome i could have hoped for.
Getting on a plane now. More later.
LRGO
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Glad it went well. The other thing I should mention is that the thought of surgery and the weeks leading up to it were much worse psychologically than the actuality. My first thoughts when I saw myself was not shock or sadness at all, instead I thought , huh, that looks pretty good, and it was with only filled to 200ccs.
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thank you for this Farmerlucy. I've been thinking the lead up is much worse than actually getting it behind me. I'm ready... let's get this trip to health started! No more worry!
I really appreciate the comfort you are giving me. THANK YOU so much!
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A back scratcher was suggested--although I used my husband, kids and the wall. I also bought something called the Brobe. It was a bit on the pricey side but I wore it nearly non-stop, until it walked itself over to the washing machine. Their shower belts were also quite handy. I wore those everywhere. Not just in the shower. I probably found those even more helpful than the robe. The bra it came with wasn't my favorite. It was just a tad loose for me. I liked the bra the hospital sent me home in. And then I lived (and still do) in Yummie Bras by Heather Thompson. One of the Real Housewives of NY people.
Say yes when people offer to bring over food. I was heroic and always said no. When I had my implant exchange I started saying yes.
And that was easier.
Honestly, one of the biggest reliefs, is not having the MRIs anymore. I never minded the mammos. But the MRIs and biopsies sucked. I was able to keep my nipples. Although, I can barely feel anything. Some people have certainly been judgmental but they weren't living test to test. I felt more peace going into my PBMX than I did going into MRIs or MRI biopsies. My BS offered me xanax and I didn't even take it. I did do every single bit of laundry in the house before the surgery though. I almost felt like I was nesting.
Good luck to you! I did experience some pain with the TE fills. But I felt like my PS was really rushing through the whole MX and implant exchange. I have a new PS now following my foobs. I like him better. (I was using my mom's doctors before.)
Oh and everyone says stay ahead of the pain. I had an app on my phone that reminded me to take the meds. Also, stool softeners. Before the surgery even starts. And, if you don't already, maybe a probiotic. I think the antibiotics do a number on your gut. Or plenty of yogurt or Kefir or something.
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great suggestions katykids! Thanks.
First, no-one has any right to be judgemental...it is not their body, not their choice, and none of their business! Just sayin...
I'm with you about the biopsis - I actually had a melt-down the last time I had one... the pain was really nothing but the idea of the entire process just overwhelmed me. I simply can't live my life worrying about needing additional biopsies every 6 months and waiting for cancer to appear. So right or wrong, for better or worse, I'm getting the source of this stress removed.
I have a back scratcher and a gripper to pick up dropped things. I'll add the stool softeners and some soluble fiber the list. I have a belt and mastectomy camisole for the drains. A close friend is coming over this week to help me rearrange the bedroom and clean the carpets.
My auto recliner rental will be delivered on Saturday and I've got lots of pillows ready. Another friend came over last week and we cooked lots of wonderful favorite foods. This food is now in single serving packages and sitting in the freezer at waist height. I'll stock up on yogurt this weekend
My PS is planning a slow fill process (about 50-60 ml) per week. I'm hoping this will minimize the pain even if it extends the process.
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LRG, you sound like you are on top of things! One thing to find out about is exercise. My PS said none for 6 weeks. That was a big mistake and wound up in PT for ROM issues. Memorial Sloan Kettering has exercises on their website (a video even) that you can start right in the hospital.
I may have been the story of what not to do. But could be what I would do if I could do it all over again. Thank goodness you can only do a BMX once!
So glad you are getting slow fills. My PS wanted 100-150. She really wanted to cram it in there. When I said no to 100, she said how about 90. I was like, are we negotiating here? I am so glad I have a new PS!!
Keeping you in my most positive thoughts!
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I feel like I'm in good hands. The PS is highly rated, his staff is so tender and caring and patient when answering my questions. I am VERY proactive in everything I do... a "Lead, follow or get the H out the way" kind of lady...
I'll be insisting on exercises post op. I don't want to seize up or lose range of motion because of this. I suspended my gym and personal trainer (hired to help me after abdominal surgery some time ago) for the next few months. When the surgeon releases me to work out again, I'll be right back at the stretches and weights. I know I'll be starting with much less weight than I can do now but will be working to regain my current strength as soon as possible.
I don't intend to let this medical phase limit me, no matter how hard it is to overcome this surgery.
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As my surgery date approaches, I'm becoming more and more resolved. I find myself focusing more on the future than the event... I guess that is why I have chosen to do this...to have a long and healthy future to enjoy. I'm so lucky to have this knowledge and the option to choose.
I hope the biopsies of the removed tissues are clear and no additional intervention or treatment is necessary.
Either way, my future will be bright and my risk will be minimize by doing this. Thanks to all the people for posting and being supportive. Your comments and advice are appreciated, your caring is a godsend!
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Hi LRGO2016, sorry for barging in here on the discussion, but I have to agree with you. My BMX is almost a week after yours, the 26th, but I like your idea of enjoying a long and healthy future. This surgery, while emotionally difficult, will get the cancer out of your body. Someone mentioned that the difficult part of pre-surgery is the emotional piece and I have also found that. I had a meltdown a few weeks ago, very teary, but now I'm resolved, ready to do it, so let's get it done! You have a great attitude towards it and that encourages me as well, so thank you for that. I won't be able to have reconstruction now, or TE's placed as I still have radiation to go, but that's ok for now. Let's just get it out of my body!!
Have a great day,
Jacklin
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I suspended my gym membership too. And, sadly, my personal trainer was one of the judgmental people in my life. She was very much against the surgery. And we have parted ways both in the gym and as friends. Crazy.
I am now doing gentle yoga and water aerobics. A bit different than weight lifting and TRX but I am really enjoying it. I think, if my ROM issues hadn't gotten so out of hand things would have been different. And I take an exercise class for people that had MX and that is nothing but laughter. I love it.
It's all different from before but it's really a lot of fun.
Your PS sounds wonderful! And the staff as well. Keeping you in my best thoughts!
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Jacklin, wanted to wish you well also!!
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Thanks Katydids, most appreciated.
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hang in there Jacklin! The wait has been the most troubling part so far. Hoping for a quick recovery and slow fills process to keep pain at bay if possible. I hope your cancer treatment is over quickly and you are not only cured, but come through with flying colors!!!
My heart reaches out to you!
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HI LRGO2016, thank you for your encouraging words. I also wish you the same, and let us all be done with the cancer treatment soon with NED for everyone, wouldn't that be awesome?
I think of you many times every day, we're both waiting for our surgeries and you're right, the waiting game is hard. I try to keep my days filled/busy so that I don't watch the calendar and go "only x day before my surgery". I do find myself checking the girls in the mirror, wondering what it's going to look like post-surgery, but rather than get sad, I keep reminding myself that the cancer will be out of my body. Last night I attended a Breast Reconstruction seminar in a city close by and I got to meet the PS's who do the reconstruction surgeries and they were wonderful, so encouraging that it really helped me realize that I can feel more 'normal for me' again after treatment is done. I am not comfortable with the idea of prostheses forever, it's just not me. My husband doesn't understand why I'm thinking of reconstruction but I told him that I'm doing it for me and nobody else. I need to have it done, period. I don't want to look in the mirror every day and be reminded of the BC that is going to be a part of my past, hopefully soon. Sorry for babbling here girls.
Have a good night everyone.
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Thank you for this post, LRGO2016 and everyone for your responses. I have my BMX on May 5th and had many of the same questions.
The only one I haven't seen answered is do we have to have someone at home to help us do daily living activities and if so, for how long? My hubby and I are trying to figure out how long he needs to be home from work to help after my surgery.
Thanks
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I'm so with you Jacklin! My current goal is to not have a permanent flat, scarred chest to remind me of what had to be sacrificed to save my life. Even though this choice is a preventative measure, having to deal with a lifetime daily ritual of surficial or stick-on forms or stuffed bras to fake an appearance of normalcy to the outside world just saddens me. I'd rather suffer with these surgeries now to make it possible to rebuild a sense of confidence in my physical appearance. Call it whatever you want, vanity or insecurity, for me having breasts is a part of my inward and outward identity and I'm not ready or willing to give them up. I'm unapologetic about the choice.
I'm a planner and doer. I've decided to go the full route - expanders, new nipples, areola tatoos, and if my normal keloid formation rears it's ugly head, I'll undergo scar revision. I'm also considering decorative butterfly tattoos if the scars bother me. Why not turn the scars I know I will always carry into a work of art I will love to look at!
I'm lucky to have a supportive husband who says he loves me, no matter what my chest comes out looking or feeking like. So we are walking down this dark and scary path together. I hope you and all other ladies going though this have someone to make this journey with. If not, I hope this website and our blogs here offer some comfort.
Hang in there! Once I'm on the other side of surgery 1, I'll post as soon as I'm able to reassure you and myself that life indeed goes on and joy will return with a bright promise of a cancer-free existence.
We can face this beast together! We are STRONG!! and we are beautiful - with or without breasts.
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hi Georgia. I'm uncertain about how much help I will need as well. We are opting for my husband to plan to be home with me foe a few days to help me figure out my limits. My surgery is next Wednesday and i expect to stay in the hospital for 1 or two nights. He will be home to wait on me like I'm a queen and will take time off the following week as needed. I'm guessing I'll have my abilities and needs figured out by Monday or Tuesday the week after surgery. I don't think there are any real guidelines about this as we each will have different and each will have different issues to contend with following treatment.
My current plan is to sleep a lot and do absolutely nothing to strain my incisions until my PS instructs otherwise.
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thanks to everyone katykids,jacklin, georgia, farmer, simple, merit and Mods for posting! Having you all here as an advisory council and support group is really a blessing. I'm so happy to make your accqaintences!
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Thank you for your response and it is a pleasure to "meet" you and everyone also LRGO2016! My breast surgeon emailed me back and said I will be able to do everything I normally do after surgery. I'm sure there will be some difficulty pulling myself up and such. I fully agree with you and think I will have my husband home with me a few days to assess how it is, but thankfully it doesn't seem like he will have to miss more than a few days of work.
I will pray for a good surgery and recovery for you!
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I will pray for you too georgia! Hang in there! Be glad we have a way to address this form of cancer that can save our lives. It is an awful option but at least an option that modern medicine offers. In the past, we had no options but dearh. Now we can live a longer and healthy life and our doctors can rebuild us so that we have a sound and maybe even beautiful body again.
I'm most definitely am not looking forward to this but I am thrilled to think that after this is over I will have minimal risk of developing cancer for the remainder of my life .
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