Legally Available Medically Assisted Suicide
Boy I am just jumping into these forums feet first. I have so many thoughts and no outside opinions from people in my position. Forgive me if you find this morbid but I find it to be a relief.
Let me just preface this by saying that I've lived a wonderful life and have tried very hard not to miss a single thing. I think that death is a part of life and I'm currently not afraid of this inevitable event. I've been blessed with more years on Earth than so many people were given. I feel fortunate to have been given some warning of this upcoming event so that I have time to do a few last things before my time on Earth is through.
When diagnosed the first time around in 2014, I faced my own mortality,specifically, how I would like my death to occur, if given the choice.
Personally, I'm comfortable with hiking off into the mountains and taking a bunch of pills, falling asleep and not waking up. I love this idea for so many reasons. It suits me.
As I explored the states that have legalized assisted suicide and the rules and laws surrounding the option, I'm finding that that's not how it works. While not a fan of "medically" assisted suicide I see where it may work for me.
I've recently come across a university that is working on my specific type of cancer. They seem to have a very respectful way of treating a body when they've finished studying it. If I choose medically assisted suicide, students would be able to study my DNA and genes and I would be relieved of my suffering at a time I felt was appropriate.
What thoughts have you come up with about your death? I guess I'm asking you to please share some of your thoughts on this or alternate options.
I'm not stage IV, I'm stage lllC. I didn't think it appropriate to post in the that forum.
cb
Moderator, Please move thread or delete at will.
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We probably shouldn't hang around here chit chatting about this without providing some serious information. Here's a link for more info about suicide and it's legalities:
State-by-State Guide to Physician-Assisted Suicide
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legislation is being proposed in NY which is modeled after Oregon. I am not going to review the legislation in Oregon and California right now, but do they preclude those patients who have gone through the process to have the meds approved - taking the meds where ever they want to? I mean in your scenario you would leave it to family or strangers to retrieve your body - might be kinder to others to die in bed. with regards to leaving your body to science - many teaching hospitals have anatomical gift programs. The one here at Albany Medical Center is so popular, they are given more than their students can handle and so they share the cadavers with other institutions. After the body has been used for study - it is cremated and every year the medical college holds a ceremony to which friends and family of the deceased are invited and at which the medical students speak about their person, to whom they have, through out their studies referred to by name - about how much that person, by their gift, taught them. It is very moving. However, I was surprised to learn that my mom was in NYC for 2 years being studied by physical therapy students. I am sure that she would have simply found that very funny.
I would like the option of assisted dying and I should probably get around to applying for the anatomical gift program.
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when it comes to life insurance do they see it as suicide if it is assisted??
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I would think the life insurance company would. Suicide exclusions are generally limited to two years from issuance through privately purchased policies. Since life insurance through an employer is generally annual renewable term some of those policies would probably always have a suicide exclusion in place.
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70Charger, I don't know how insurance companies would handle this. I imagine they're scrambling to come up with firm policies that take this into account. One of the states where this is legal has a provision that your prognosis is 6 months or less expected life.
Jelson, I'm happy to hear your mom would have found that funny. A whole lot of what we're doing is done easier with an open minded outlook. I figured that eventually some stranger would come across my remains. I thought I might leave a heat sealed mylar packet of info stuck to whatever tree I chose to sleep under. So no one would suspect foul play. I just hope they don't find me until I'm in a condition where it's best to just leave me there.
As far as I know, medically assisted suicide is done in a controlled environment. I'd have to save up my own drugs for my off to the mountain scenario.
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Some religiously-based insurers (including one of the dominant companies in my state's market) refuse to cover the drugs, consultations, etc., for religious reasons.
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It's harder to do this in Oregon than it appears on paper. Proving intractable pain, for example, is challenging.
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When I was first DXd, I looked up if you could kill yourself with xanax or codeine-laced advil (the answer is no). I was hoping I could stash enough to kill myself if I felt the need.
Now that some time has passed, I am not sure I would do it. Suicide is suicide and it leaves pain behind. Bad karma basically. It is something I find difficult. There are clinics in Switzerland that will do euthanasia. An acquaintance did that when he felt he had enough. I completely respect and support the choice, just not sure I would do it.
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After chemo, it'd probably take some pretty strong stuff to kill any one of us. I hope my feelings change with time too. But walking away from it all, back to nature still seems like a good way to go.
My mother had hospice care and spent the majority of her incapacitation at her own home. Just a day or two in the hospital at the very end.
My Grandpa was the about the same. Stayed home without official hospice care, he had family, until a few days before the end, then hospital.
That close to the end, neither one seemed especially aware of their surroundings in the hospital.
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I told my girls once that when they start whispering behind closed doors that I will book a trip to Indonesia and take a little hike on the Island of Komodo. . . it can't be suicide if I get eaten by a Komodo Dragon can it? And no one will ever forget the dear little lady that got eaten by a Komodo Dragon. . .
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Thank you for bringing this up. The treatment gets old, the terror leads to such anxiety, and yet the worst fear is having a hospice bed brought in our lovely home and the smell of poo, pee, and seeing myself weighing 90lbs in the eyes of my child and husband. No way! I too have thought about which pills to start to stash, or that walk in the park. I would just like to deserve the option and my overly religious self righteous congressmen get in the way. I don't want to be skin and bones and bloated. I know Christ suffered for us but even that didn't last weeks and months with his children watching. (No way comparing myself to Christ who has given me strength) but when the burden of living outweighs sharing happy times with my family, just watching him play, taking even a short walk....that's not life to me anymore. I do need that insurance money for my son and husband so hopefully the end if and when it comes is an anyuerism (sp?) or heart attack.
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Komodo? Really? LOL!
I'm saving up for the Ted Binion cocktail. His girlfriend might have done him in so it might not work and I might have to hike back out of the mountains.
cb
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Suersis,
I like the way you wrote about quality of life. I might have to borrow some of those lines. They seem to say things in a way the doctors might understand.
cb
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Pipers, , and so very funny. Thoughts like that cross my mind from time to time, but getting eaten by dragons is the best one yet! They can fight over us, lol.

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Pipers dream, love your idea of getting eaten by a Komodo dragon!! THAT'S a memorable way to go out!
I don't think anyone's going to top that....
My uncle had gall bladder cancer 3 years ago, and was given morphine through hospice (he was at home). He took an overdose of that and some pills one night and ended things while he was still in control. We all respected his decision. I think everyone should have the option of assisted suicide, though.
My stepmother was in the hospital for lung cancer 10 years ago. I spent the night with her and woke up in the early hours and she was in a coma. I called my dad to come in, and I left to get the kids to school. When I came back later, I found that her morphine had been UPPED. She passed away that night. I considered that a subtle form of euthanasia. I did not have a problem with that. She had been in some pretty bad pain the days before, and I didn't want her to have to go through more of it.
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cb123, thanks for starting this thread. I recently was dx with innumerable liver mets. Just 3 months ago, I took care of my BF of 44 years who died of liver mets. She had a ultrasound, died 20 days later. Was not dx with the primary source, it came out of nowhere.
I wished there were more options for assisted suicide or euthanasia. The state I live in will most likely be the last to even consider this issue. I would like to skip thoses last 2-3 weeks of my body shutting down. Thinking of my DH & 2 adult kids, they have seen me suffer enough. But, I am no quitter. Just had my 2nd Taxatere for this new dx. I will hang in there with treatment, until it is obviously no longer working.
Morally, I have no problems with this. I respect everyone's personal choice.
Pipers, thanks for the belly laugh.
cb123, I have never heard of the Ted cocktail. I will google this. I am glad the mods did not delete this topic.
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water hemlock. the british kind best, a way to do it yourself and not involve another person. it's not painless, hard on the stomach
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I'm sure we shouldn't be discussing the particulars of lethal cocktails. That Ted Binion thing is sort of a morbid joke on my part.

It was a criminal trial that I followed on Court TV many years ago. Seems there's still some doubt as to whether or not his girlfriend may have slipped him some drugs in a drink that responded badly with the drugs he'd already taken. Suicide? Accidental overdose? Murder? No one knows. But the toxicology report found a lethal combination of Valium, Xanax & Heroin. It's a joke because no one would ever prescribe me heroin. Hillbilly heroin maybe, but not real heroin.
The trial was FASCINATING! They have video of the girlfriend washing up the wine glass or scooping it up and sticking it into her purse or something equally suspect. The crime scene was contaminated and a lot of it was being contaminated as the video tape rolled. There was silver buried in the desert. An extra boyfriend digging up the silver in the middle of the night. One of my all time, real life favorite mysteries. There are a couple of movies made for TV.
Details and particulars aside, I believe a suicidal route to death may be what works best for me in my situation, compared to the alternatives I'll be facing. Everyone's situation is different. I'm feeling fortunate in that it may end up being my choice.
cb
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Well, yes, abigail, there are plenty of highly toxic plants available but most of those bring about a pretty miserable death - hardly what most of us would want either for ourselves, those around us, or those who would later chance upon our bodies should we die alone.
Holeinone, I'm sorry to learn of your recent metastases. I hope taxotere does very well by you.
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Thanks Hopeful....
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Ms Plath seems to have left earlier than she had too. I'm not a huge fan of poetry but I did give it a first look today and I'll read again. Was she unwell?
I searched this forum for "music" and found no really good threads so I'm posting my current fave here. Music gets me through the days. This man, while not a poet, does have what some people think of as "second sight." He's just a kid, I think he's 25. He just dropped his first solo and it's so rocking good. There are a lot of poseurs in rock and roll but this kid is gifted. Here are the lyrics from the 2012 hit "In the End," Andy Biersack of Black Veil Brides. For a totally different view try "We Don't Have to Dance." (you probably won't like the In The End video, might not like the We Don't Have to Dance vid either, but I really enjoy the music.)
In the end
As you fade into the night
Who will tell the story of your life?
In the end
As my soul's laid to rest
What is left of my body
Or am I just a shell?
And I have fought
And with flesh and blood I commanded an army
Through it all
I have given my heart for a moment of glory
(I gave it all)
In the end
As you fade into the night
Who will tell the story of your life
And who will remember your last goodbye
'Cause it's the end and I'm not afraid
I'm not afraid to die.
I'm not afraid, I'm not afraid to die
Born a saint
But with every sin I still wanna be holy
I will live again
Who we are isn't how we live, we are more than our bodies
If I fall I will rise back up and relive my glory
In the end
As you fade into the night
Who will tell the story of your life
And who will remember your last goodbye
'Cause it's the end and I'm not afraid
I'm not afraid to die
Who will remember this last goodbye
'Cause it's the end and I'm not afraid
I'm not afraid to die. -
Some people see an early death for themselves without a deadly ailment. Andy sees an early death for himself. Pretty sure that's what this song was about. I had a friend who knew he wouldn't live to a certain age and died an accidental death 6 days before that birthday. Maybe Sylvia Plath was one of those people who see early death, though they aren't usually suicides.
I'm in this for the long haul, as long as I can live free.
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thumbs up cb. some people remind me of the time i'd done something bad and hid in a cupboard to escape my mother who was carrying a switch, I burst out of the cubboard before she could open it
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lol! Abigail,
You're a braver kid than I was.
cb
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We probably shouldn't hang around here chit chatting about this without providing some serious information. Here's a link for more info about suicide and it's legalities:
State-by-State Guide to Physician-Assisted Suicide
cb
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Suersis,
There are several nice readings by Sylvia Plath herself on youtube and I wasn't sure which one you were thinking about.
Thanks for clearing that up. Dorothy Parker always makes sense to me.

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I know from losing my mom and dad to the ugliest ravages of cancer that some, if not most palliative care doctors are pretty open to upping the morphine if the suffering is too great. However, I suppose it depends on the doctor on his/her determination of how much suffering is too much. My father suffered greatly with bone metastasis, can't even begin to explain how much pain he was in. Drugs did nothing. His doctor provided the kindness of surgically severing his spinal cord to give him peace. I was only six, but I remember it very well. My daddy and I got to talk one last time with him being coherent and pain free.
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And I just have to add, Sylvia Plath may have been the most depressing figure on earth. Good grief, that woman had issues. I can't find one single reason to admire her....for anything. That's just me though.
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Plath's husband was cheating on her. She knew about it.
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Ksusan, hi! I recognize your name from that other thread we were discussing stuff on. I don't know you at all, but I am really, really hoping you don't think infidelity is a reason to shove one's head in the oven. I just can't identify with someone that weak. Perhaps all I know about her is one-sided half truths....entirely possible, because the only stuff of hers I've read is what I was forced to in school, poetry in grade school, that Bell Jar thingy and her biography in university. I still laugh about it when I think back to the prof who forced it upon me. We had words

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Apparently Ms Plath had some pretty serious daddy issues too. This may be a case of that thin line between genius and insanity.
Dorothy Parker's a more "Tina Fey" tid bit.
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy."
LOLOL!
cb
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