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  • Sloan15
    Sloan15 Member Posts: 896
    edited April 2016

    Createdonpurpose - Hmmmm, did your DH ever consider that God's plan may involve treatment? God gave you a brain, so I'm guessing He's expecting you to use it. God gave us science snd medicine, so I'm guessing using science and medicine is part of the plan. To do nothing when you should do something is frowned upon in the Bible.

  • violethope
    violethope Member Posts: 32
    edited April 2016

    Hello everyone!

    Iammags- congrats on no chemo for you...yahoo! Nancy-so sorry that you are going through a difficult time and may be facing chemo!

    CreatedonPurpose- it has all been said. Please put yourself first and get treatment as soon as possible otherwise you will die. Reach out to all the supports available to you particularly the formal supports in the health care system who can give you lots of help.

    Night all!

  • Moondust
    Moondust Member Posts: 510
    edited April 2016

    Mags, it is great to hear that you got a low onco score and won't need chemo! Hooray! What a great way to start the weekend for you.

    Grazy, I'm very sorry to hear about your kitty and your other problems too. I'm hoping for a low onco score for you.

    Stellamaris, I started hiking about 3 weeks after surgery. I wore a very light pack and did a couple of short easy hikes before I tried something a little longer. I used my hiking poles a little bit. I think a steep trail would be okay as long as you take it at your own pace. You may need to go slow and rest frequently. On the first few hikes, my arm got a little uncomfortable after a while with the pack on, but the pack was light enough I just slipped the shoulder strap off and carried it on one shoulder until the other one felt okay again.

    I want to chat longer but will have to resume in the morning because I'm fading fast!

    Hello to everyone and I'll talk more to you all tomorrow!

  • Jclc83
    Jclc83 Member Posts: 246
    edited April 2016

    I cannot sit here without agreeing with 614 and others.

    Created for goodness sakes don't let someone else do your thinking for you. Don't worry about work or finances or your marriage. None of that will matter if your health fails rapidly. Take care of yourself. Put yourself first. G-d doesn't want you to die. Neither do we.

  • MLP3
    MLP3 Member Posts: 534
    edited April 2016

    Stella- I started with small hikes a week after surgery. Probably not the best idea, but I just had to get out there and find some peace of mind in the forest. Then I started on some more challenging terrain with a walking stick, which I never used before. I was scared that if I fell, I'd try and break my fall and rip open my incision sites. But it's winter up here and things are snowy and icy. I know... I'm a nut;)

    Created- everyone is absolutely correct and I agree that God also put very smart people on this planet to cure us. And I'm not a religious person. Question... Why do you need to move out? You need to put yourself first here. Please don't delay any longer for treatments. Get the ball rolling, promotion or not. And know that we are all here for you;

  • queenmomcat
    queenmomcat Member Posts: 3,039
    edited April 2016

    Created all that I'd thought to say has been said, and far more eloquently. Do what you need to do, and I hope that's Western medicine! Alternative and holistic medicine has a place in all this, but I too believe that G-D gave us our intellects and our ability to manipulate our world in order to care for ourselves.

  • Lovinggrouches
    Lovinggrouches Member Posts: 530
    edited April 2016

    I believe in alternative medicine also, I have been drinking ESSIAC, or what they call 4 herb tea since my diagnosis, don't know if it will truly help, but I have read up on it and studied the use of it for years before I was ever diagnosed. I steep the tea myself and make a fresh batch every 2 weeks, but I also believe in the science side of medicine because I work in the medical field and have seen treatments keep people alive FAR longer than they would have lived 20 years ago. I can only pray that the new moonshot program will rapidly advance studies for new treatments and that we will all live to reap its benefits one day!! My husband says I don't have enough faith, I have all the faith in the world in my Lord, but I also know that plenty of people with faith ALSO die of terminal cancer. I'm only human. I see so many people on these boards that their cancer was caught early like mine and I see they end up with stage 3 or 4 cancer later on and think, will I have this worry for the rest of my life? I have considered asking for antidepressant for the first time in my life, because I don't feel the same anymore. Pretty complaints in conversations with friends leave me quiet most of the time because I don't want to make anyone mad over how STUPID all of it sounds, and I know I still have radiation coming up and hopefully no chemo if oncotype is ok. Blessings to you all on this day. I enjoy reading your posts every day, I will keep you all in my prayers, and I'm going to go check my tomatoes and potatoes I planted yesterday to be sure the varmints didn't mess with them lol! So much for eating mostly organic for the last ten year-end still ended up with cancer 😘

  • Moondust
    Moondust Member Posts: 510
    edited April 2016

    Created, I am so sorry you are in such a difficult position. I know it is very hard to deal with your situation at home, and I'm very glad you have found this forum. We are here to support you whenever you need it. Tell us all the obstacles you face and we'll try to help you through them with ideas and emotional support. We don't know all the details of your circumstances, so it's hard to advise what to do. But one thing is for sure - having to change your living arrangements or other aspects of your life is never easy, and it's ten times harder to do it now when you have the huge added stress of the cancer Dx. If you have the financial ability, I would look into getting an apartment or renting a room. Once you are out on your own, it will be much easier to think clearly and plan the steps you need to take. I think I heard somewhere that home health nurses are sometimes available to visit people who live alone if needed. If you don't have the means to move out, then perhaps there are some other arrangements the social worker could help you with. You will discover that there is a big network of people ready to help you. I was amazed when I got calls from nurses, social workers and others who were checking to see how I am doing and asking if I need any help! The medical community knows that cancer patients need extra support because of stress, depression and other issues. Don't despair! Start making a plan and please keep posting here!

    614, you had a really tough go through all of this. You are a big inspiration to me! I know how frustrated you must feel about your weight gain, and I hope you can rearrange some things in your life to get back on track with that. Sometimes you just need to tweak your eating plan (or actually make an eating plan!) It is doubly hard to eat right when we are tired. I am always looking for snacks when I'm tired.

    Heathet, nothing about our cancer is good, but it's nice that your skin is already expanded for implants! I am so hoping for the best outcome for you!

    I had a great time hiking and taking photos of flowers Friday and Saturday. I will post a link to the photos soon! One more radiation boost tomorrow, then I'm done with that.

  • Molly50
    Molly50 Member Posts: 3,773
    edited April 2016

    Heathet, it's great that you don't need TE's. That was the worst part of my mx. You should do just fine.

  • Grammy4
    Grammy4 Member Posts: 56
    edited April 2016

    It has been awhile since I have posted. I am in agreement that we need to surround ourselves with positive people as there is not enough energy to fortify us against negativism.

    My original treatment plan did not have chemo. However, my oncotype score was in the middle at 25. I was told the pathology dealt with appearance of tumor and oncotype dealt with behavior of tumor.

    So I had two opinions from MOs. One highly pushed chemo but would leave decision to me. There was benefit to do chemo and I was the one to decide on the amount of benefit I was comfortable with. The second didn't give me a choice. In the end I did chemo and had some bumps in the road of treatment that I managed. Except after the 3rd of 4 treatments resulted in a burn at the injection site the MO discontinued chemo treatment. I was fine with that and felt that being in the middle, in a place where the decision was "right" either way, I figure I got 3/4 of treatment I may or may not have needed.

    Don't know if my thinking makes any sense but it does to me. AND that is the bottom line. it's a personal decision.

    Currently I have completed the chemo, radiation and have started anastrozole. My only problem is some fluid build-up in the underarm area from SNB which created one of my "bumps in the road" during chemo as it became infected. I see a PT who is working on massaging the area and I am suppose to get exercises and maybe a compression sleeve for air flights.

    All that being said, there is a local group near me (Philadelphia) called "Unite for Her" which encourages breast cancer patients to explore complementary treatments. There are practitioners in massage, reiki, acupuncture, yoga and nutritionist who speak at the meeting and then you are given a passport to try these options. They are NOT meant to replace the medical treatments but to support the body in accepting the effects of some of the SE that may be experienced. I can say I explored acupuncture and had minimal neuropathy and reiki and massage were great for stress relief.


    Good News!!! I have stopped wearing my wig. My hair is really short but my head is covered and it started to get warm here although now we are in a deep freeze...

    Have follow up with MO this week which I expect will be smooth.

    All of you are in my prayers as Warriors in the fight.

    Blessings,


  • Moondust
    Moondust Member Posts: 510
    edited April 2016

    Thanks for your words, Grammy4. It makes me feel stronger when I see another woman who has gone through the decision process and made the same choice that I am making.

    Here is a link to the photos I took at Carrizo Plain. The flowers were spectacular!! It has been a while since I carried a camera on a hike, but it was worth it this time!

  • Molly50
    Molly50 Member Posts: 3,773
    edited April 2016

    Grammy, nice to see you. Moondust those flowers are gorgeous. Lucky you!

  • Sloan15
    Sloan15 Member Posts: 896
    edited April 2016

    New study out from my alma mater, UCSD, that people who don't eat for 13 hours after dinner (aka prolonged fasting or NOT snacking at night) reduces the risk of recurrence of bc and other cancers. There have been a lot of studies about fasting recently, and they all seem to show promise with reducing cancer rates. (As a side note, people who snack at night eat an extra 500 calories a day and often put on weight, so the obesity-cancer link that might have something to do with it, too.) Regardless, this is a good time to stop snacking at night!


    UCSD: Nighttime Snacking Increases Risk of Breast Cancer Recurrence

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&so...

    "Prolonging the overnight fasting interval may be a simple, non- pharmacological strategy for reducing a person's risk of breast cancer recurrence and even other cancers," said Catherine Marinac, a doctoral candidate at UC San Diego Moores Cancer Center and lead author of the study.


  • Sloan15
    Sloan15 Member Posts: 896
    edited April 2016

    Moondust - Did you go to Carrizo Plain yesterday? I was just wondering a couple days ago if it was already too hot for viewing wild flowers.

  • ChicagoReader
    ChicagoReader Member Posts: 110
    edited April 2016

    Sloan, I've been watching the studies about fasting with interest. But isn't it funny that when I read them, I think, "well, there goes breakfast" instead of "must stop snacking at night"? Clearly, I've been missing something!


  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited April 2016

    Sloan, I couldn't get the link to work. Maybe I have no talent tonight :) I rarely snack at night - mostly because it can make my acid reflux act up. In fact, I rarely snack. But if I'm hungry for something like brownies or chex mix and make it - I graze continuously until I eat it all or have had enough to satisfy that craving. My weight is good. I think stress activated my BC.

    Have a good evening.

    HUGS!

  • LovesToFly
    LovesToFly Member Posts: 1,133
    edited April 2016

    thanks for sharing Sloan! I too have been reading these, for me they are quite encouraging because of my default is already a 13 to 14 hour fast. I have dinner between six and seven, do not eat breakfast until eight or nine in the morning, andvery rarely snack after dinner.

  • ChicagoReader
    ChicagoReader Member Posts: 110
    edited April 2016

    Just when I thought I was well on the road to recovery, I'm having a new set of symptoms. This may sound odd, but I'm hoping it turns out to be an infected seroma, as that sounds much less serious than some of the other possibilities. I know some of you have experienced infected seromas, and I'm hoping you might have some words of advice.My apologies in advance for this lengthy post.

    On March 10, I had a diagnostic mammogram and saw my BS as part of my regularly scheduled follow-up. All seemed to be going well with the post-op breast -- my seroma appeared to be shrinking and my BS said it's normal for the surgical site to be tender and painful even this long after surgery (over 7 months).

    But over the following days, the whole breast became painful, which I put down to being smooshed during the mammogram. Other symptoms also developed, including: swelling and pink to reddish flushing of the skin; a rash covering a small area of the breast; a change in the texture of skin; skin that feels hot to the touch; pain in my armpit and just below my collarbone; and, for one night only, an inverted nipple (a first for me). I took Extra-Strength Tylenol for the pain and swelling and used cortisone cream on the rash. The rash went away, came back, went away again, and hasn't been back. The other symptoms are more persistent. They get better for a day or so, then return in full force.

    I had previously scheduled follow-up appointments with my RO and MO this past Thursday (3/31). I saw the RO first. The nurse measured my arms and noted that both were the same size and didn't display any visible swelling, unlike my breast and axilla. She also noted that my blood pressure was low (110/60). After examining me and asking questions, my RO prescribed Keflex for a week. He told me that if the symptoms didn't respond by then, I should call him or my BS. When I saw the MO, she seemed even more concerned and made me promise to follow up if the symptoms didn't respond to the antibiotic.

    I've been taking the medicine since Thursday night and I'm not seeing improvement. I know I should be patient and give it time, but it's hard not to worry. If there's something else I should be doing (ice packs? warm compresses?) or not doing, I'd appreciate hearing about it.

  • iammags
    iammags Member Posts: 216
    edited April 2016

    It's funny. I can't remember all of the details but the whole "breakfast is the most important meal of the day" was a marketing ploy. I think that it was from Beech-nut pork. They were trying to get people to eat more bacon and eggs so they came up with "the most important meal " bit. Brilliant bit of advertising. They got the public to eat a heartier breakfast, namely Beech-Nut pork and eggs, thereby selling more bacon.

    I don't want to offend anyone, but mo' bacon mo' betta..I don't eat it much but, yum :)

    I don't know anymore about what diet works anymore. I just believe that the cleaner you eat the better your health will be.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited April 2016

    Peggy, the BRCA and other breast cancer genes are primarily in Ashkenazi Jews. The Conversos and their descendants were Sephardic, of differently evolved ethnicity while sharing a common religion (albeit with some different ritual and dietary customs). One of the reasons genetic disorders such as BRCA 1/2 , Tay-Sachs or Gaucher’s diseases appear more often among Ashkenazim is because from the late Middle Ages through the 19th century, the Jews of the Diaspora in central & northern Europe were largely restricted to living within what was called the “Pale of Settlement” in what is now much of northeastern and east-central Europe (largely the former Iron Curtain countries with a central core in Russia, Lithuania, Belarus, Poland, Romania & Hungary). Even those settlements in other northern European countries that survived until the Nazi era were extremely insular, with intermarriage being nearly unheard of (and punishable by total excommunication, with their families going into mourning for them). But Sephardim were mostly Iberian, Italian, and Greek Jews in Europe as well as the subset “Mizrahi” (Sephardic Jews native to the Middle East and north Africa--who never were part of any Diaspora other than the Babylonian and Egyptian exiles of Biblical times). Sephardim were far more widespread and also more integrated into the societies of the countries in which they lived--and so intermarriage, while still not the norm, was much more common. (The first Jews in the British New World colonies were Sephardic--the Ashkenazim didn’t arrive until German Jews began migrating here in the 1840s and Pale of Settlement Jews from the late 1880s until WW I).

  • Moondust
    Moondust Member Posts: 510
    edited April 2016

    ChicagoReader, I'm sorry I don't know more about what might be going on with the swelling. pain and rash you are having. If it were me, I'd be on the phone with the MO tomorrow. I think they can tell from bloodwork whether it is an infection or not. Hopefully some more knowledgeable people will chime in. It may be that the Keflex just needs another 24 hours, but I don't know.

    Sloan, thanks for the article! I tend to eat late some nights because I get busy doing things. Maybe I'll try to schedule my time better. Yes, I was at Carrizo Plain yesterday. I went over there Friday after rads and camped overnight at Selby Campground. Good thing I got there early because it got crowded by evening. The weather was ideal! Things will be drying up quickly unless they get some rain this week.

    Molly, thanks!

  • createdonpurpose
    createdonpurpose Member Posts: 27
    edited April 2016

    Everyone- thanks for the encouragement and your kind words. I'm feeling less anxiety about what lies ahead. Regardless of how DH responds, I WILL move forward. I have 2 children getting married this summer and myfirst grandchild on the way. I've got a lotta life to live

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited April 2016

    Sandy, thank you for the history lesson. I loved it. Always fascinating to find out how groups of people arrived at where they are. I am sort of familiar with the "Pale." Don't you think that for minority groups, they often feel the key to survival is not marrying outside of the group?

    How's your arm doing? Are you back in Chicago yet? Did you have fun? Learn a lot? Tell us all!!!

    HUGS!

  • ChicagoReader
    ChicagoReader Member Posts: 110
    edited April 2016

    Thanks for the reply, Moondust. I'm considering whether to call my BS tomorrow. My MO's approach is very focused on the drugs. If something is related to radiation or surgery, she'll bounce it to the RO or BS.

  • ChicagoReader
    ChicagoReader Member Posts: 110
    edited April 2016

    Created, I'm so glad to hear that you're moving forward! You will always find support here.

  • violethope
    violethope Member Posts: 32
    edited April 2016

    Sloan- also very interested in the link on fasting but can't get it to work.

    Created- so, so happy to hear that you will be moving forward and yes it sounds like you have an awful lot to live for!

    Take care everyone!

  • 614
    614 Member Posts: 851
    edited April 2016


    Dear ChicagoReader:  I would be a "nervous wreck".  I am hoping that the Keflex works.  However, I would make an appointment to see your MO on Moday or just walk in to her office on Monday.  I would tell her that you have an emergency situation.  I would not wait.  Better safe than sorry.  It is probably nothing but why take chances.  Regardless, peace of mind from seeing your MO is priceless.

    Dear Created:  I am glad that you are moving forward.  Congratulations on the upcoming weddings and your grandchild.  Good luck.

    Dear Moondust:  I have to say that I have so many wonderful people in my life so I never found anything to be difficult for me during my treatment.  I really felt, and still feel, very lucky.  Also, I advocated for myself very strongly and I did tons of research.  Thank you for your kind words though.  I appreciate them.  It is wonderful that you hike.  Yes, I am making it a priority that I walk every day and that I eat better.  It is so difficult because I work so many hours and I am under a lot of stress.  However, I must put my needs first and that must be my priority.

    Thank you so much to everyone here.  You are all such a source of support.

    Hello to everyone else whom I did not mention by name.

  • ChicagoReader
    ChicagoReader Member Posts: 110
    edited April 2016

    Thanks, 614. I'm going to try to get some rest tonight and hope things look and feel better tomorrow.

  • tbalding
    tbalding Member Posts: 449
    edited April 2016

    Hi, new here, but thankful for the sharing, support & encouragement.

    Have a few questions. I'm hesitant to ask because I'm getting ready for my first surgery, but I've noticed some who were diagnosed with DCIS like me and had lumpectomy, but then about 2 months later had mastectomy. Nervously wondering the reason.

    Also, PontiacPegg, am curious why you think stress brought on your bc? While I excercise regularly, I've been under a great deal of stress for some time, and my somewhat healthy diet has gone to pot, unless you count chocolate as a vegetable, lol! I switched from milk chocolate to dark chocolate thinking I wouldn't eat so much.... Didn't work, like it just as well :D

    Can't remember who posted the pictures of hike, but the scenery was gorgeous, spring flowers aren't quite here yet so was nice to see :)

  • LovesToFly
    LovesToFly Member Posts: 1,133
    edited April 2016

    welcome tbalding. I cannot answer your questions as I had a lumpectomy as planned, no complications, but I'm sure the other ladies will!!

    I made a chemo makeup vide today! Ignore my chemo-brain confused narration: http://youtu.be/v0M4y9rYLto



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