Unhappy with port placement

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  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited March 2016

    Ronniekay,

    My story is unusual. They did know what treatment I was getting, (it was to be IV chemo whether in the trial or not) as I was supposed to go into a clinical trial and was thought to be stage IIB. When the PET scan was done, to figure out what the fluid around my heart was, they discovered 1) a completely collapsed right lung 2) a spot on my femur. Yes, I hit the jackpot! After the collapsed lung was dealt with, a biopsy confirmed that the spot on my femur was bc. So... I was out of the trial, out of any proposed stage IIB chemo and on to tx for stage IV, which has been an AI, rads to the bone met and two years of Aredia. Coming up on 5 years and still NED.

    As to why I have such a stealth port, with no visible line, and only palpation bumps visible, I can't say. I rarely know it's there and neither does anyone else.

    PS: the fluid around my heart is still there but is idiopathic and unchanged. It is evaluated every time I have a scan.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited March 2016

    Ronniekay,

    Yes, yours is quite visible. Did you seemy pics earlier in this thread? I just remembered one reason why my port might be so discrete. It is a petite power port, closer to the size they use on children.

  • PattyPeppermint
    PattyPeppermint Member Posts: 11,162
    edited March 2016

    ronnie. Yep. Hoping when the stitches disolve and the redness disappears thstvit will look more like yours. Wow. 3 ports. Love the superwomen thought.

    Tomorrow home health RN will access it for the first time. It's still ternder so I am kinds nervous.


  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited March 2016

    So Patty, here is what works for me. Rub Emla cream (lidocaine and prilocaine) into the skin over the port, then put a huge glob of it on too. Cover with plastic wrap. Do this one hour before access.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited March 2016

    I love EMLA! I don't use it for port access (my medical center uses a very effective numbing spray), but I've used it for other things and it is excellent.

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited March 2016

    Patty, did you get a prescription for Emla cream?

  • Longtermsurvivor
    Longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,438
    edited March 2016

    hi Patty, good wishes for your port access tomorrow.if you don't have Emla ask for lidocaine spray or little needle. Shouldn't hurt much but I am wishing you a pain free start with your new port. Big hug, Stephanie

  • Kjones13
    Kjones13 Member Posts: 1,520
    edited March 2016

    patty--I wish you little pain for your first poke tomorrow. I remember feeling anxious about getting stuck and it was still very sore. But it must have been uneventful because I don't remember anything else! (Or maybe the drugs took care of my memory...) oh pictures! Neat! I've always heard port placement was just the surgeons decision. At my cancer center they are all surgical oncologists, so my dr put mine in. He likes them higher up centered between neck and shoulder. I've noticed some women who seem to have it way far down. Like where the boob is! I try not to stare but it seems strange that there are that many places to stick that thing! I have to agree with some others; I love my port. I'm a chunky girl so it can hide easily.

    image

    You can't see the entire "tail" but you can see the vein it goes up because it protrudes more than the other veins in my neck.

    Will be thinking of you patty!! ((Hugs))

  • PattyPeppermint
    PattyPeppermint Member Posts: 11,162
    edited March 2016

    never heard of emla cream. I'll have to ask about it

    Kjones. Yours looks great !

  • Longtermsurvivor
    Longtermsurvivor Member Posts: 1,438
    edited March 2016

    In this area of Northern California they are installed by Interventional Radiologists.

    Mine does not go over my collarbone so no visible tail. Port is very visible now that I am so thin. Photograph above.

    Love my port!

    Loving kindness forall of you, Stephanie

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited March 2016

    They should have told you about Emla when you got your port. I suggest calling first thing in the morning and asking that a prescription be sent electronically or called in to your pharmacy. Hopefully you can get it and apply it an hour before your appointment. If not, you can ask for the spray as Stephanie suggests. Some people feel they don't need a numbing agent for their port access. But like she said, we want to make sure you have a pain-free start.

  • PattyPeppermint
    PattyPeppermint Member Posts: 11,162
    edited March 2016

    good to know. I'll call them first thing.


  • GG27
    GG27 Member Posts: 2,128
    edited March 2016

    My port sticks out way more than any of the photos here! Patty, I used to ask for emla cream from the pharmacist, no script, but behind the counter. I used it for a while, but trying to remember to put it on & cover it up etc, drove me crazy, not to mention it was expensive & didn't really numb it that well for me. The one thing I found was that the RN had to be decisive about accessing it. Once she lines up the dots, just shove it in, no messing about. Good luck Patty.

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited March 2016

    I found the keys to good numbing are rub some in in and then really glob it on, cover it with plastic film not gauze, use a fresh tube stored at room temperature, and put it on 1 to maybe1 1/2 hours before (even 45 minutes not as good).

  • PattyPeppermint
    PattyPeppermint Member Posts: 11,162
    edited March 2016

    i called mo and left message re emla cream but they didn't return my call before home health arrived. Home health didn't bring anything to numb it but said can next time if this is to uncomfortable. She did bring the smallest possible needle. It was easy peasey. I never even felt it going in. Hooray. All that fret for nothing.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited March 2016

    In the US, EMLA is by prescription only. Patty, so glad to hear the access caused no pain. I have heard that is often the case, but I have been too chicken to try it without a numbing agent

  • RonnieKay
    RonnieKay Member Posts: 2,067
    edited March 2016

    WOOHOO!!! I love that we're the Patty Port Cheer team (and can I say the pix were so interesting!) & so happy it went well!!! Oh how I hope it makes life easier for you :-). I do the blob & Saran Wrap cover 1.5-2 hrs too. I did it 1/2 hr one time & felt it...so Patty...you are a Superwoman!!!

    Ahhh Brnxgirl...they do make 2 sizes. I've never been a petite anything...HA!

  • stagefree
    stagefree Member Posts: 2,780
    edited March 2016

    Hi

    I neither have a port nor any idea of the procedures.. Wanted tı chime in cause.. During my first infusion after MBC dx, I was sitting next to a lady in the infusion center. As the nurse approached her, she unbuttoned her pants.. Was weird as there were men getting their infusion in the same room ( in a muslim country, nobody expects a lady unbutton her pants in public, especially when men are around). As I watched the nurse proceed.. I figured the lady's port was somewhere close to her liver, below in her belly. Thought that's cool. Unbuttoning the pants not though 😳

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited March 2016

    I'm glad to hear the port access went well, Patty! Every little thing we can do to be more comfortable is important, in my opinion. Yes, the photos were interesting to me because I had nothing to compare mine to before. I'm like you, RonnieKay; I really appreciate the numbing cream. I still think patients should be more informed about ports before getting them, to avoid surprises.

  • Heidihill
    Heidihill Member Posts: 5,476
    edited March 2016

    Easy peasy is great! I think that counts most. Never used numbing cream. I have a high tolerance for pain. But this could be because I have thick skin. Lol.

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited March 2016

    Jumping in based on an earlier comment about access. I have an AngioDynamics Smart Port (power port) and have on incision & no tail. I drew bra strap on my chest before BS installed and she managed to place it so it doesn't rub & rarely shows at all. I had it installed in 2011 and LOVE it. When I went for my last port flush & labs, they were not able to get any blood return. I understand I'll have to go to Interventional Radiology to see if they can find the blockage & cure - or get the port out.

    Someone said earlier their port was no longer useful to draw blood, only to put things in. I didn't know you could do that. I'm concerned about an upcoming PET/CT. Where does liquid go if there's a blockage? I'm worried about the nuclear contrast. I was planning on having the port removed after this test, but I agree about the superstition of having it there, especially since I do have lymphadema.

    As for the Emla, I originally discovered this magic drug when I was having some electrolysis done some years ago. I've found it works best if I put it on the port one hour before my appointment and cover with saran wrap. Press'N seal works great w/no other tape needed to hold it to your skin. Be sure not to rub it in with your fingers or they will go numb. I use a Q-tip.

    Patty - so glad your experience was positive.

  • scuttlers
    scuttlers Member Posts: 1,658
    edited March 2016

    my Bard power port was put in on February 4th, 2009. Yes, over 7 years and still working great! One hundred and thirty three pokes. Only two times had a little trouble with blood return. Once used extra heperin flush to get it going, and once had to "tpa". Never had to use anything to numb, wouldn't even feel the access if the nurse wouldn't do the count of 1 2 3.

  • RonnieKay
    RonnieKay Member Posts: 2,067
    edited March 2016

    Wow Scuttlers...7 yrs is great! I always hold my breath, just a little, until I see the blood come...then I'm happy. My center said they've had people w/20 yr old ports. Minus...I hope your onc can answer your concern about a blockage....and that your scans are clear!!!

  • Noni
    Noni Member Posts: 327
    edited March 2016

    I want to share my port pix too. I have a love/hate relationship with it/them.

    I had my first port placed the day before my first infusion. It was painful everytime it was accessed, even while using the emla cream. A few times it was challenging to access and it got to the point where my face started to swell.

    It turns out there was a clot in the port and I had to have it removed. I was shocked at how much my chin, neck, and cheeks swelled and it was so damn painful. Not to mention I was stuck in the hospital for a week.

    They put another power port in a week later, on the other side. I have the mouse tail, tho you can't see it in this picture. I know it's petty, but I am sad at all the scars on my chest and neck.

    image

  • Groovywilma
    Groovywilma Member Posts: 450
    edited March 2016

    Thanks for sharing all this great information about ports! I have been reading with interest because I will be getting my very first port sometime in the next week (waiting for the call to schedule it). The pictures have been helpful also. Can you tell me how long I should wait between getting the port and starting my first IV chemo treatment? How much healing time does it need? It's been more than 5 years with MBC and I'll be starting my first IV chemo, Gemzar. Thanks for all the information here! I appreciate having a place where I can get first hand information!

  • sueopp
    sueopp Member Posts: 1,541
    edited March 2016

    Groovy, I had my replacement port put in in the morning, and had treatment that afternoon! Easy peasy. Can't rememberabout the first one though. SUE

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited March 2016

    Groovy - I had my port put on one day & started chemo the next. I was told to make sure the doc left the "dangles" attached at surgery so access was all ready w/no new pokes that first time.

  • ShetlandPony
    ShetlandPony Member Posts: 4,924
    edited March 2016

    Groovywilma, I was very concerned when I learned that my second infusion was scheduled the same day as my port installation. I even called the nurse to see if that was ok, because it seemed like a lot to put a body through in one day. But no, they do it all the time. When I "woke up" after the surgery, the port was already accessed with the needle taped in place, so no poke was needed at the infusion room. Ask how they do it at your hospital. I found that the incisions healed rather quickly, but I was sore in the neck area for, hmm, at least two weeks.

  • Groovywilma
    Groovywilma Member Posts: 450
    edited March 2016

    Thanks, guys! My port install is scheduled for Monday 4/4 and then my first treatment of Gemzar is on 4/7. I asked the NP or doctor to call me to tell me what kind of port it is so that I can do some more research. The research here, though, has been very valuable!

  • Groovywilma
    Groovywilma Member Posts: 450
    edited March 2016

    Another question for my port placement on Monday: since I can't take ibuprofen five days before the procedure (avoid aspirin), is it OK to take tylenol or norco for my pain? I think it's OK, but just checking to see if you guys have any feedback? Thank you!!!

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