Starting Chemo March 2016

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  • MFPM
    MFPM Member Posts: 69
    edited March 2016

    I'm glad you're okay now and thank you so much.  I'll see how I am tomorrow and will try to get some sleep.  It's just so hard not knowing what's going on and questioning the dosage, hoping it's not too much considering it's not supposed to peak for 7 days.  Much luck and Blessings to all of us!  Good night for now! 

  • phaila
    phaila Member Posts: 279
    edited March 2016

    hi MFPM

    Couldn't sleep the hospital has me all kinds of thrown off. Made some bedtime tea, took a melatonin, and decided to look up my dosages while waiting to get resleepy. My cytoxan dosage was 1320. So yours is lower then mine by a bit. In the hospital my Oncdoc said he would probably be lowering the dosage. Thing is, other then this whole netroponic thing, I had no other symptoms. Weird!

  • Loretta_J
    Loretta_J Member Posts: 67
    edited March 2016

    Try to drink more. You could be dehydrated. I hope you can drink enough to avoid the ER. I am on TCHP, so a different regimen but I had similar symptoms with the chills and feeling bad. I started really hydrating better and that helped. Do they automatically schedule you for hydration afew days out

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited March 2016

    MFPM - sorry you're feeling so awful. Everyone reacts and feels differently after chemo, and your symptoms don't sound fun, but they do sound similar to some of the things I've been feeling (I'm doing CT too). The steroids make me feel really loopy and uncomfortable. Once they wear off, Day 3 is my "bad" day and I simply can't do anything. It's like having the worst case of the flu ever - but worse than that. I laid in bed almost all day yesterday napping and resting. I had a slight fever - 99 - so I just kind of watched it. I stand up and want to fall down, I feel like my joints don't work right. I can't believe how much everything hurts!



    For me, that Day 3 seems to be the peak of the side effects; Day 4 and 5 aren't great but they get better slowly (Sat and Sun for me), and by Day 6 I was able to go back to work last time.



    My DH reminds me that I'm putting poison into my body to combat this cancer - and it's going to be really, really hard. Last time, I got through my four AC treatments and told my DH I was done - I didn't want to do anymore. Chemo is one of the hardest things I've ever done in my life, and dangit I never expected to be doing this again. You know yourself best; don't hesitate to contact your MO if you think something is wrong. And don't wait too long, or worry that you're "whining" (you're not whining at all - you feel really awful!) Take care of yourself.

    And if you have questions about your dosage, I wouldn't hesitate to ask your MO about it. There are very strict formulas for chemo so that we aren't overdosed, and you have a right to ask about that.

    I hope you start to feel better soon.

  • Mecool
    Mecool Member Posts: 70
    edited March 2016

    MFPM - I'm sorry you're reacting so badly to it all. I don't start until Tuesday so while I can't relate, I just wanted to share something my team told me at my last appt in prep for beginning. They told me to keep a log of EVERY thing I feel after treatment and when it occurs. They told me to bring it with me to every infusion so we can go over it and make sure we have a plan of action and meds to combat as much as possible. Or if really necessary, alter the treatment t plan. My docs goal is to fight the cancer but also keep me functioning. So if you ride this out until your next appt, I would highly suggest writing everything down and going over every detail with your team at your next appt. I really hope you can start feeling better soon! I also second the hydration! Water, water, water! My goal is 1-2 gallons on infusion day to get that chemo out of me as quickly as possible!

  • Seashine
    Seashine Member Posts: 24
    edited March 2016

    MFPM, call the dr. No joke. They know whatever you are feeling, they have seen it before. This is their job, let them help you it's why they became Dr's and pharmaciyti begin with. I hope you feel better.

    Me, yesterday was day 3 and by the time I got home from the IV fluids they give me just to keep my hydration up, I was wiped. Felt a bit nauseated so I took something extra for that and I think it made my neck hurt really badly. Now I feel like I have the flu, but sort of mild. Still really bad beck pain, wonder what that is about.

    First shot of Neulestra last night. No problems from that, took the Claratin and Tylenol as directed too. All good there. Woke up and had some toast and some Kefir. Keeping on!

    Mecool - that is a LOT of water! My doc and infusions nurses said 60-80 oz was a good amount. 2 gallons would be like twice that much. Let me know how that goes, would be curious to know.

    Hope you all have a wonderful day filled with bird song, sunshine and no SE

  • HRwinter16
    HRwinter16 Member Posts: 73
    edited March 2016

    MFPM / so sorry!

    I def agree you should call the doc. Were you able to rest? If they gave you some Ativan that might help with being able to sleep.

    Hope things are better a bit!!

  • MFPM
    MFPM Member Posts: 69
    edited March 2016

    Hi Ladies, Thank you ALL so very much.  Not being dramatic but don't even know how I typed last night shaking so bad and knew I needed help of some sort.  I managed to sleep, not much as usual and don't know why but some is better than none.  I realized today also looking up the generic Zofran, Ondansteron HCL, that it causes dizziness, so I didn't take any yet today, figuring that is surely adding to this.  I am still feeling very weak and out of it but more alert.  Does anyone else take this form and think it effects them?  I know it's probably the smallest of problems but when feeling this way, I need to feel centered and not a crying helpless fool.
    I'm eating lightly, but feel weak as if I didn't but will try to take a 1/2 pill later as the pharmacy said I could to reassure me that I won't get sick on food.  What I've been looking at too is the the down time for each med, the Cytoxan is 1 week then on, but the Taxofere  begins day 4 and on.  Getting T every week I don't know when I will have a recovery period, but that's how he chose to do it.  As for the dosing of the C, I will ask him in 2 weeks when I go for the blood cell count.  There really isn't a team there, a private office in a house, though I do have an emergency # to call.  I just don't want to jump the gun on every thing which they think may be minor.  I'll keep tabs on the symptoms and my temp.  Today getting a pain in my calf, maybe from not walking much and had pains in my head at times.  Horrible and know it could be worse, though very much feeling for every one of you.  I'm trying to keep moving, not going out but not staying upstairs in bed, dragging around down here and hoping that tonight will not turn worse.  Yes, I keep thinking about this poison that's in me and how sad it is that treatment is so primitive but we have to do what is available for our own good.  Thank you all so very much and sorry if I haven't been much of a help to anyone YET, but am here!  Marilyn
    P.S. ~ Does everyone here continue to pre medicate for nausea and for how long?  IF I didn't think they were adding to it, I wanted to continue taking them to be on the safe side, afraid to eat a real meal.  Just curious!

  • PositivePeg
    PositivePeg Member Posts: 8
    edited March 2016

    This is Day 6 after TCHP. I had the neulasta shot on Day 4. Side effects began 11 hrs after chemo & side effects from neulasta began within 2 hours. They're aches & weakness with shooting pains added,after neulasta. Each day I feel a little better. How long does it usually take to feel close to normal? How do people work while doing this type of chemo?! I'm using Claritin, 3 Advil 2x a day and 1 Vicodin.

    I didn't expect my taste to be affected already! It's more like not wanting certain textures. I've been hooked on mashed potatoes! Anyone else have the texture thing going on? Will that get back to normal, as I feel better b/f my next chemo?

    I was super bloated after the chemo treatment & still having that issue. I drink a lot of water, but don't seem to be urinating as much or as often for the amount I'm drinking.

    Thanks for advice


  • Italychick
    Italychick Member Posts: 2,343
    edited March 2016

    Hello everyone, I'm going to respond to general symptoms.

    Bloating, check, part of the treatment, mainly steroid induced I think. Took a few months after final chemo to go away. So the bloating is normal. Still fatter, up 13 pounds, down from a 20 pound weight gain. Make sure oncologist checks magnesium and potassium levels because chemo hammers those, and having them low can contribute to swelling and cramping. I take magnesium all the time, 500-1,000 mg a day. Normally don't need potassium, but during chemo mine tanked and I had to go on horse pills for a week. Drinking lots of water without balancing electrolytes can lead to feeling crappier. I drank smart water which had electrolytes added. Gatorade is also recommended, but I couldn't drink it because it tastes like sweat to me. If you drink too much water without paying attention to electrolyte balance (magnesium and potassium) you can end up feeling worse

    Food textures, check. Mashed potatoes were the bomb, but probably contributed to my weight gain. Oh well. Coffee tasted burnt, but I drank it anyways, who knows why. Mouth felt like it had a burnt scum on it. I used a tongue scraper and coconut oil to minimize the length of feeling that way. Usually about 5-7 days after a chemo infusion I could get my mouth back feeling mostly normal.

    Nausea, never really had any, but I made sure to eat small dibs and dabs of soothing food every few hours, like mashed potatoes, cookies (ok, well that was probably for comfort), kefir, yogurt, chicken broth. Something about salty chicken broth was amazing, with sea salt. Oncologist said they give enough nausea meds on infusion day to carry through for 3 days or something like that. So first time I took them, felt like crap, and rolled the dice after round 2. Never needed them after that. Oncologist gave me Zofran and compazine and warned me Zofran can cause headaches. If those two substances don't work, there is also the Sancuso patch, but I think you have to fail Zofran and compazine first.


  • HolaSandy
    HolaSandy Member Posts: 85
    edited March 2016

    As ItalyChick (and many others) mentioned, hydrating is so important at this time. I drink Riva water which has a 7.9 pH and naturally has calcium, magnesium, and potassium among other minerals. If you are interested in purchasing, they sell it on https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B00OSMQWBM/ref=cm_cr_arp_mb_bdcrb_top?ie=UTF8 and you can visit the website at http://www.okinshaw.com/our-water/ to read about the water.

    My hair has been aching for a couple days so I will be buzzing it tomorrow.I hope everyone who has been feeling crummy this weekend feels better soon!

  • PositivePeg
    PositivePeg Member Posts: 8
    edited March 2016

    I forgot about electrolytes! I'm drinking a bottle of smart water right now.

  • phaila
    phaila Member Posts: 279
    edited March 2016

    regular grocery stores, even Walmart have alkaline waters. The one I get at giant is 9.0 ph

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited March 2016

    I did a few things differently between the first TC and the second one this week and I think I've learned a couple of things:

    I switched from plain water to LaCroix (I like the flavor and carbonation, which helps me with my indigestion), and Gatorade (electrolytes). Constantly sipping on one or the other, starting the day before and continuing until at least Day 5. In general I feel much better overall - fewer muscle aches and a tiny bit more energy. I think I'm bouncing back a little better today.

    I'm weighing myself every morning to track water retention and constipation. This treatment, as with my first one three weeks ago, I spent most of the night between Day 3 and 4 peeing - lost almost 4 pounds last night alone.

    Trying to listen to my body and eat what it's asking for. Can't stand the thought of coffee, and that makes me sad. Also can't eat sweets. I'm craving savory foods - love mashed potatoes!!! And salmon, avocado, bread. I had my first burger in two years the other day, and it was like heaven. My mouth just tastes icky. I'm at the point where food in general doesn't taste or sound good, so I'm just not eating much.

    I'm not having any ongoing nausea, but rather random and sudden nausea, not really tied to eating. Happened at work in the middle of the afternoon the other day. I'm not taking any compazine now because it's not consistent and I worry about the side effects (just like yours Marilyn).

    I hope everyone continues to feel better with each new day. Keeping you all in my thoughts.

  • phaila
    phaila Member Posts: 279
    edited March 2016

    Hi Nancy, when exactly did your taste change?

  • AndreaC
    AndreaC Member Posts: 220
    edited March 2016

    Hi all -

    Today marks a year from when I had my double mastectomy for bilateral breast cancer. It is hard to believe it has been a year already! I am so sorry you all are going through the chemo like I did, and some recovering from surgery and others awaiting it. This disease sucks so bad!

    The side effects are so nasty. I was told to go to the ER for any temp over 101 (I think...but it was Celsius since I'm in Canada). I did a couple of times, and had bloodwork done. I was kept overnight just once, for a very low potassium level (I had diarrhea)...so I was given IV potassium. My white count was always fine, thanks to Neulasta. Do not be afraid of going to the ER. If there is anything that you worry about to the point that you can't relax, get it checked out! You need your rest and to decrease stress as much as possible.

    I always found that days 3 and 4 after receiving chemo were the worst. I had no energy and just felt plain awful. The mouth sores were bad too, but not as bad as with some people. Those might last two weeks. But for the most part I was feeling almost normal a week to ten days after each chemo.

    For those concerned about neuropathy and fingernails/toenails, not everyone is affected. My nails were fine, probably because they were iced. I have had no neuropathy either.

    Good luck to you all.

    Andrea


  • Logang
    Logang Member Posts: 421
    edited March 2016

    I can't drink coffee for several days after my treatments because it tastes bad. It usually only lasts about 5 days. I drink decaf hot tea with honey as a substitute.

    I hope everyone has a great Easter with minimal to no side effects!

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited March 2016

    My taste seems to change a couple of days after treatment, and lasts for a few days after that. This time, though, I notice my taste hasn't changed quite as much and I'm not having as many issues with mouth sores. i sucked on lemon popsicles and, when those were gone, ice chunks, for the entire Taxotere treatment (and a few minutes after infusion was complete). I still taste icky, but not as icky as the first treatment.

  • Teaner16
    Teaner16 Member Posts: 18
    edited March 2016

    Something new last night just sitting quietly on the sofa watching TV - major leg cramping! Calves, down the outside of my shin bones, feet, toes. Enough to contort my feet inward. Even hard to walk. Off and on for a couple of hours. Really painful. I did sleep all night though, in fact for 10 hours with just waking up to go to the bathroom. I often get leg cramps in the middle of the night when I'm not on chemo, but nothing like this. Sort of scared me. And this was on day 6 after I'd already had my bad days on 3.5 and 4. Thoughts?

    DH and I are going for a walk along the American River today -- I desperately need some nature.

    Whether you celebrate Easter or not, I hope you have a beautiful and low SE day! Hugs!

  • PositivePeg
    PositivePeg Member Posts: 8
    edited March 2016

    teaner16, Are you taking magnesium? It helps with my 'normal' leg cramping. I cut out all of my supplements for about 10 days. You've reminded me to go back on it! Sure sounded like some very painful cramping

  • MFPM
    MFPM Member Posts: 69
    edited March 2016

    Teaner16, I had the leg cramps, actually a sharp pain in my calf most of last night also when watching TV which rattled me at first.  It was 3 days after my 1st treatment.  I also felt it and other strange pains when I went to bed, coming on out of nowhere.  Anyway, when I was up first feeling it, I began massaging it, then did toe presses, moving my leg around and later kept walking the length of the house inside, worried.  It did help and though I don't really know what it is, it worked for then.  I don't know much about magnesium but I make sure to eat bananas for potassium which really boosts the level.  I'm walking a bit better today, having more balance and am trying to keep going at a slow pace for now.  I know these weird side effects, we don't know what to blame it on 1/2 the time.  Much luck and Happy Easter to All of Us!

  • Seashine
    Seashine Member Posts: 24
    edited March 2016

    Today is a bit better than yesterday. Day #4 after first TCHP. Still have bad taste in my mouth, drinking something constantly helps with that. I had my husband go out and stick up on Perrier and juice, mix them in a variety of flavored, keeps it interesting. I too have zero taste for sugar. Actually ate a pice of Easter candy today and had to spit it out! Gross!!! Maybe an upside? No more sugar cravings will be good for my waste line! I'm all about seeing the up side of cancer.

    My kids have been amazing! They just let me rest when I need to, but they are getting a but stir crazy. Hopefully school will help with that, I am not winning any mommy awards at the moment with my un-fun self!

    I think I'll try mashed potatoes given the rave reviews as food is just not appealing right now. Happy Easter

  • Teaner16
    Teaner16 Member Posts: 18
    edited March 2016

    Fortunately the severe leg cramping has not recurred today - YAY! Tomorrow I have Chemo #5 so I'll tell them about it and ask about magnesium. I already eat a banana everyday and it seems like I drink lots of water -- 2-3 liters/day.

    I WISH I had no sugar cravings. Talenti Gelato (Tahitian Vanilla Bean) is my comfort food of choice right now. So smooth and silky -- it feels good in my mouth. But, since I was out of control last night and ate a whole pint right out of the pint, I'm giving it up. When I've had Chemo #12 on May 16, I am hoping to weigh the same or less than what I weighed on Chemo #1 on Feb 29. Gelato ain't helpin'.

    Hair loss has seemed to slow down. And the loss is evenly spread. My hair is 3/4" long after I shaved it a couple of weeks ago. If it completely stops falling out I think I'll just color it (it's sort of mousy this short) dark or silver and skip the wig and focus on makeup and earrings.

    Yesterday and today -- got 10,000 steps in both days! Thank you FitBit for keeping track for me. Aiming for everyday this week. I feel SO much better when I just do it.

    Sleep tight and don't let the bedbugs bite.

  • Mecool
    Mecool Member Posts: 70
    edited March 2016

    Tomorrow is my day! I'm feeling ready to rock this....have my log book ready and I'm going to write everything down, from how I premedicate to every body sensation. Here are my questions for those of you that have some infusions under your belts 1. What do I wear? Haha! I imagine I want to be comfortable....so yoga pants? And a shirt that my port is easily accessed. Do you all get cold? Should I wear a hoodie?

    And 2. What should I eat, if anything for breakfast before? My infusion starts at 9:30. Should I bother eating anything first or just begin hydrating and wait to see how I feel afterward?

  • BlueKoala
    BlueKoala Member Posts: 190
    edited March 2016

    I start tomorrow, too. I'm pretty nervous.

  • Teaner16
    Teaner16 Member Posts: 18
    edited March 2016

    Mecool - I hope you get this before you go! By all means, eat breakfast. Keep hydrating but eat something that you're pretty sure won't upset your stomach. I'm not on AC, only Taxol, but I eat normally before and after chemo, just smaller amounts more often. If you're there for a long time, you might want to eat a bar or piece of fruit or something while your there. For Chemo #1, I was there for 4.5 hours and was STARVING afterwards. Eat small and frequent. Did you get a tube of lidocaine cream to put some on your port to numb the skin there? You'd put that on 30-60 min before you start. If you don't have any, ask for a prescription. It's better than the ice spray they may use. What to wear? I am coming from work, so I just wear my semi-casual work clothes. Yoga pants sound divine though. Wear a shirt that will let them access the port. Quarter zips are great, but I've even just worn a v-neck sweater. My center has blankets and pillows for us. For Chemo #1 I was too nervous to sleep, so I wrote in my log book, tried to read a book (couldn't concentrate), and listened to shuffled up music on my iPod. For subsequent weeks (tomorrow is Chemo #5 of 12), I slept about 1.5 hours out of the 3.5 that I'm there -- gotta get sleep when we can while we're on the crappy steroid. Also, every week I have the nurse take my picture on my iPhone (do I sound like an ad for Apple now?) while I'm hooked up to a chemo bag and I text it to my kids, sisters, nieces, and best girlfriends with some funny comment -- often about how sexy I must look. It engages them while I'm there and it makes me feel connected and warm. Last week I was listening to my iPod and a favorite old song from high school came on and I texted "Song of the week. Here is a hint (insert short lyric here). Whoever guesses the song gets a prize." Well, this game went on for a good 30 minutes! Everybody participated and everybody laughed! May try it again tomorrow - now I think they're expecting it. :) Oh, the prize was "1 mieeeeeellion dollars." Could start a new "guess the movie" game with that line.

    Hugs to you all!

  • Teaner16
    Teaner16 Member Posts: 18
    edited March 2016

    Mecool -- I'm also on Herceptin, which is why I'm there for 3.5 hours.

  • Melgirl
    Melgirl Member Posts: 165
    edited March 2016

    Hi Mecool. I like to be comfortable so I wear exactly what you suggested, yoga pants and a top that keeps my port easily accessible. I do get chilly and I like to bring a special blanket. We are on the same chemo but everyone has different side effects. I find I need a good breakfast because I get nauseated about an hour or so after the infusion. My nausea was somewhat improved last time by adding steroids.

    I hope it goes well for you with few SEs.

    Melissa

  • Melgirl
    Melgirl Member Posts: 165
    edited March 2016

    Teaner I love your idea about texting games with family and friends!

  • OnceOnce
    OnceOnce Member Posts: 3
    edited March 2016

    Today, I have an chemo orientation with MO and tomorrow they will install a port. I am still hesitant about the port but it was recommended to me by the nurse since last time it took 3 nurses to find a good vein! I will start my first TC treatment (TC x 4 treatments) this Wednesday March 30th. I am bit anxious but trying to keep it positive. I read the valuable tips of getting through chemo and will be shopping today for all the most have. Not sure when I will loose my hair so I can schedule the buzz cut. Thank you!

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