Turkey Tail?
Brief History. Diagnosed at 32, chemo melted my tumor away, had a double mastectomy, going through reconstruction. Started Tamoxifen last year as I'm not menopausal. I hated it. I got fat, my stomach hurt daily, etc. Decided to go off of it completely in January. Started Zoladex shots to make me menopausal. Had one and seemed to go fine, until my period was going to come and then my emotions and my hot flashes went insane. I got my second shot and I have been sick and mentally unstable since. I also started Aromasin and have been sick from a stomach ache from it as well. Same as Tamoxifen. I am VERY sensitive to meds, always have been.
My friend has been taking Turkey Tail. A natural mushroom based supplement and shes been getting her estrogen levels checked and she's at zero. She has/had breast cancer as well. Has anyone here taken it? Does anyone have any suggestions for me? I can deal with some of the physical side effects, obviously I went through chemo, but the out of control feeling in my mind is what I can't tolerate, and I'd love to not feel sick to my stomach daily.
I have a meeting with the onco next week..but seriously considering going off all meds, despite my young age.....
All response greatly appreciated.
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Cobindie, based on my own experience going the natural route, with a Grade 3 and Her2+ (which I am not) bc, I would hope that you and your onc can find a way to keep you on a hormone blocking med. My own horrible experience w/an A/I, plus a strong belief in natural healing, plus an ND and other integrative docs who supported my beliefs, led me to go with a combination of I3C, curcumin, Stamets 7 (another mushroom extract) and hormone balancing that included testosterone and other hormones. And long story short, I think we all totally underestimated my bc, because almost 6 years after my initial dx, I was re-dx'd with diffuse and extensive bone mets.
If you had asked me a few years ago, I would have wholeheartedly supported you going a natural route after conventional tx, including things like turkey tail, which I know is a good anti-cancer supplement. But no more. I just think once our bodies have figured out how to make bc cells, the natural stuff (which I have done all my life and still do for any other ailment), just isn't enough to prevent a recurrence.
I'm so sorry you're dealing with such tough SEs, but my strong advice would be to seek complementary therapies to address those -- not to prevent a recurrence. And having lived in Colorado for 20 years (although I'm now in California), I would also urge you (if you haven't already) to at least get a second opinion from the university medical center (CU) in Denver, which is NCI-designated, so will absolutely be up on the latest. I say that because I can't imagine that they see many 32 year olds w/bc in Grand Junction, and at least one trip to Denver might yield some additional insights that would be helpful to you in figuring out what to do.
(((Hugs))), and sorry I can't be more supportive about going off all meds at your age at this point in the game. Deanna
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You might vet more responses/replies if you asked/posted question's about 'Turkey Tail' in the 'Complimentary/Holistic Forum or the Alternative Forum.
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Wow...that was kind of the response I was dreading. I'm trying my best to be positive about these meds but I'm so dang sick!!!! I did do some of my initial treatment in Denver, including my mastectomy and recommendations for chemo because like you said there really are very few my age treated in such a small town.
I will whole heartdly talk to my onco next week and see what we can come up with. Maybe an increase in effexor is necessary as well as some medication for my tummy..........
Cancer blows!!!!!!!!!
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A couple of additional thoughts... There are several generic versions plus the name brand med for each of the 3 A/I's, and often someone who has a bad reaction to one, might not to another -- even the exact same med, just made by a different company. This is because they all use different fillers in their version of the drug. You can see who makes your Aromasin in the fine print info' on your RX bottle. Sometimes trying one made by a different company can make a real difference in SEs. Sometimes different pharmacies have contracts with different generic companies, so switching pharmacies might be necessary. You can always ask the pharmacist who makes the one they have and compare it to yours.
Also sometimes taking a bit of a break and then getting back on the med helps with the SEs.
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Why would you 'dread' someone suggesting where you might find more information from ? I know nothing about 'Turkey Tail' and you wrote "All response greatly appreciated."
I know nothing about Turkey Tail mushrooms and made no comments about it - just that you might find more info at 2 other forums from ones who are knowledgeable/experienced with mushrooms. Such is life.
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Kicks, I could be mistaken, but I think what she meant was that she'd dreaded possibly hearing a story like mine -- not your suggestion.
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Thanks dlb823 - I think (after reading your last post) - you are correct. My mistake/my 'goof'! As can easily happen with the written word only, especially when not addressed to someone particular, there can be totally unintended misunderstandings.
Again - I will Thank you dlb for pointing out my 'misreading'.
Coblndie - I apologize for misreading - it is my doing and it does appear that I was in error.
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I am sorry you are dealing with this, and so young. Side effects are hard, but I believe from my own experience that you can feel better than you do, even on treatment.
I am another one who refused AI's after bilateral + recon. I had basically the lowest OncoType DX score in history so I felt somewhat safe. Nonetheless, I wanted to feel like I had supported my survival if it ever came back, so I pursued some carefully chosen, alternative anti-cancer measures. Regardless, the beast was back with a vengeance in three years. (To be fair about the OncoType, I presented with both ILC and IDC, but they only ran the OncoType on my IDC tumors-- and it's the ILC that recurred.) Innumerable, extensive bone mets, pericardial mets, and a sprinkling around my right ovary. Total hysterectomy, pronto, so I could start on Femara right away. (You can see my other treatments in my signature.)
During these 6+ years on treatment, I have diligently tended to my side effects with complementary measures, just like dlb823 said. I follow a protocol which I developed with the help of an ND and hundreds of hours of my own research, and still continue to tweak. I believe my efforts to support my body through this are a huge part of the reason I am doing as well as I am, but at the same time I know for dang sure that it was a cancer drug that yanked me from the brink of death (when the beast suddenly invaded my biliary tree in October '13 and began shutting down my organs) to where I am now, going on my third year of NED.
I experienced insta-pause after the hysterectomy, and yes, it is hell. I had had some hot flashes before the surgery, but these were another beast altogether! After a year of non-stop hot flashes and insomnia which caused me to have anxiety and depression (on top of PTSD symptoms from the diagnosis and surgeries), I finally relented and took a low dose of Lexapro. WELL. The sun came out again and the hot flashes totally disappeared, in less than a week. I got my life back-- and was able to continue on the AI. I weaned off Lexapro two years later, verrrrry slowly, and the hot flashes and other issues never returned.
I felt like total c.r.a.p. for a year after my BMX + recon surgeries. It's just A LOT. I get it, I really do. I will tell you what has helped me most. My plastic surgeon was concerned that I still felt SO bad four months after my last surgery. He advised me to hydrate like crazy, to take alpha-lipoid acid and a probiotic daily, and to eat blueberries, salmon, and "every dark green leafy thing in sight." I got right on it, and sure enough, all of that helped. (I still go out for salmon on salad greens when I feel sluggish.) Wheatgrass juice shots were a revelation (I now mostly use a powdered form). Then I discovered a terrific supplement called Inflamma-less by Irwin Naturals (I get it on Amazon), which *profoundly* shifted things for me. Eases joints and pains, lifts my mood and brain fog, supports gut health and digestion, and gives me energy. I take two in the morning and two at night, without fail. I have recommended this to many people, including other BC patients, who now swear by it. For PTSD type symptoms, I started taking Adrenal Health by Gaia (proceed carefully with small doses of this one if you are on an SSRI, though). I have taken these two supplements daily for years because they are absolutely gamechangers for me, mentally, emotionally, and physically. Naturally, you need to do your own checking on stuff before deciding what to pursue for your own use, but this is a glimpse of what has helped me. I truly hope something here in all of this helps you.
I would just urge you to get in a rock-solid place mentally and emotionally BEFORE you make decisions that affect your life so profoundly. You owe that to yourself. Please try to be as kind to yourself and your precious life as you would be to a friend in great need. I wish you well!
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I had my ovaries out to avoid having to have monthly shots; I could not imagine what those would have done to my hormones. I have been on Femera since then and use complimentary therapies such as Tumeric to help with the side effects.
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Kbeee- how did you know it had returned? How do they test if you have the BMX? I'm considering BMX vs. Lumpectomy.
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