mammosite radiation for DCIS

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Kkubsky
Kkubsky Member Posts: 231

This may be an option for me. Just curious if anyone has any information on this specifically regarding recurrence rates vs whole breast radiation.

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  • Kaneli
    Kaneli Member Posts: 100
    edited February 2016

    I have just scheduled my lumpectomy (Mar 22) with 5 day targeted radiation the following week. I am also wondering if anyone has any comments. Thanks!

  • 2ndGenBCA
    2ndGenBCA Member Posts: 40
    edited March 2016

    I have recently had two surgeries in my right breast for DCIS. The pathology report following the first surgery modified the original biopsy report to "high grade comedo and cribriform type with calcifications."  I have dense breast tissue. While I initially balked at the idea of radiation, even brachytherapy, I am now wondering if I should consider the targeted radiation. I am currently waiting for the results of the Oncotype DX test, which will give me a rating based on my personal biology, whether or the not the cancer cells are likely to return. Has anyone else had experience with this test or been in a similar situation trying to make a decision on whether or not to have targeted radiation? I would like to hear your experience if possible, please. I want to make the best decision possible about radiation treatment.  Either way I have five years of medication ahead of me. I also have a suspicious finding in my left breast and have been told I need to get another MRI mammogram in July. I was diagnosed in December. Thank you.

  • LisaAlissa
    LisaAlissa Member Posts: 1,092
    edited March 2016

    Hi 2ndGenBCA!

    If by targeted radiation, you mean Mammosite radiation, you'll want to talk with your RO or surgeon asap. Since you've already had surgery, I assume they did not place a "spacer" to keep the surgical cavity open. If that's correct, at some point, that cavity will collapse as a part of healing...or perhaps was collapsed during your surgery as a part of rearranging tissue for an optimum result? Who knows?

    But no point in spending time considering a procedure that might no longer be possible without an additional procedure. (I'm guessing here, based on my own experience where they placed a spacer during my lumpectomy to keep the cavity open, until they could confirm that I remained a candidate for Mammosite radiation, based on the cavity depth, distance from skin, etc.)

    Best wishes on finding the right treatments for you.

    LisaAlissa

    Eta: greeting making clear that this response was to 2ndGenBCA, who has already had surgery.

  • Kaneli
    Kaneli Member Posts: 100
    edited March 2016

    LisaAlissa, I said I was having targeted radiation after my lumpectomy, which will be March 22nd. I'm not sure if that's the right term. I will be having a variation of the Mammosite radiation. The Contura balloon will fill in the irregular shape of the cavity of a tubular carcinoma..It will be 5 days, 2x per day of "seeds" being inserted into the balloon, for a few minutes, and then removed, Assuming nodes are negative and margins are clear, that's what I'll be doing 5 days after my lumpectomy. Are you happy with your decision to do the Mammosite route?

  • 2ndGenBCA
    2ndGenBCA Member Posts: 40
    edited March 2016

    Hello LisaAlissa and Kaneli, 

    LisaAlissa, thank you for the response. Yes, the surgeon said she is keeping the space open. I go for a follow-up tomorrow - hoping the Oncotype DX test results are available then. The more I read, the more I think I should go ahead and have the targeted radiation (brachytherapy) especially since the pathology report following the first surgery changed the grade of the cancer cells to high. 

    My nervousness about radiation -- any type of breast radiation -- and I don't know if you, Kaneli, have the same concerns/fears - has been over the idea of injecting that "device" no matter which one - into my breast, the potential damage to my skin and other breast tissue caused by radiation, the real "need" and benefit of the radiation (given other therapies planned), and any other dangers that I might not be finding out about given the condensed time frame all of this seems to be occurring within. The Savi device is the one recommended for me. 

    Kaneli, do you have other delivery methods available as an option - such as the Savi - and if so, why was the Mammosite recommended? Given that your diagnosis is a grade 1, did you consider no radiation at all? Perhaps because it was determined that the cancer broke out of the duct that radiation was a definite? Are you considering external radiation? From all the information I have either been provided, or found on my own through this site and other research, I think we are fortunate to have the "targeted" option vs. a whole breast radiation directive. I am certainly no expert, I am just trying to be pragmatic as I consider options and learn as much as I can. I want you to find what is right for you, too. It's scary no matter what the variations on the diagnosis and treatment - especially because eradicating these cells is the ultimate goal in all situations and the path is so different and unknown for each of us. 

  • Kaneli
    Kaneli Member Posts: 100
    edited March 2016

    Hi 2ndGen and LisaAlissa, My RO apt is on Monday morning.. I know my Surgeon said the Mammosite was NOT the best delivery method for me, because of the elongated shape of the tumor. The nurse told me that they would probably do the Contura one, which apparently takes the shape of my type of tumor better,,,,tubular, with spiculates (pointy things) in its borders. The Contura has a vacuum aspect to it that helps it get into irregular shaped cavities, I guess. The SAVI might be another option. The nurse I talked to, when I called with questions, said there was a possibility of two types they would use for me, but we got sidetracked after talking about the Contura. She said definitely not Mammosite though, for me. So I'll find out Monday. Like you, I have so many questions, fears and I keep second guessing myself. I too wonder about the option of no rads, because I'm scared of the whole idea. I do think, that for me, I need a little extra security of treating the local area, the area most likely for recurrence. I feel like WBI with such a small cancer is like throwing the baby out with the bath water, but some wise person on this forum reminded me that, at the end of the day, we hedge our bets with the best knowledge and understanding we can, but it's still all a craps shoot. I guess WBI for 6 weeks frightens me more....left breast, heart, etc. Also, I have read everything I can find about this internal radiation, and the stats look good as far back as they go for BC treatment. I did learn that types of brachytherapy have been used for prostate cancer since 1917 (I think that's the year) and prostate cancer has the best stats out there regarding mortality and survival. Not sure if you can find it online, but I just got the AARP Bulletin (yes, I am old enough to be an AARP member! :) in the mail yesterday, and the Headline was "The New War On Cancer" and there are a number of interesting articles on cancer in it. Anyway, keep me posted on your decision, and I will do the same...I'll know more Monday. Good luck to all!

  • 2ndGenBCA
    2ndGenBCA Member Posts: 40
    edited March 2016

    Hello Kaneli, 

    I hope things are going well for you at this point. I decided to go with the Savi treatment and I qualified for a clinical trial that allowed me to get the same amount of radiation over a three day period rather than the twice-a-day five day course. I just got the device removed yesterday and overall, I am pleased with this decision. I wrote on a thread about Savi treatment what the removal was like. (don't let that dissuade you) I got my oncotype dx score back and decided that I did want to do all I could to "cleanse" the area with radiation. My surgeon is so great - I really like her - she recommended the clinical trial. She cited stats that show the risk continues to decline with the treatment. We are fortunate to have the option of targeted radiation.

    Thanks for the reference to the AARP letter - I'll look for it. (Yes, I qualify for membership, too -- and just how DID that happen?!? Ha!) 

    As far as my treatment, it seems so much transpired so fast - and I wasn't feeling so great - so I was not online. Let me know how you are doing. I am a bit tired and have some pain, but I am managing it with my prescription and looking forward to more energy as recovering progresses. :)


  • Kaneli
    Kaneli Member Posts: 100
    edited March 2016

    Dear 2ndGenBCA.

    I'm glad that you're happy with your decision to do the SAVI. I had my lumpectomy last Tuesday, the 21st. Negative on the sentinel node so that's good. I'll find out tomorrow about the margins.

    I have my appointment tomorrow morning with the surgeon to put in the balloon (Contura, I think) and then to the radiologist to have a cat scan. I'll begin the 5 day 2x per day apbi on Monday. Next Friday they will take out the balloon and catheters. I imagine it will hurt, but it is what it is. I'll be happy to be finished with all of that stuff so quickly. #3 days would be even better....good for you! Yes. we are lucky to be candidates for this type of radiation. Thank God for small favors, right?

    Anyway, keep feeling better, let me know how you're doing,and I'll keep you posted on my progress. Is your MO recommending Hormone therapy?

  • Kaneli
    Kaneli Member Posts: 100
    edited March 2016

    Dear 2ndGenBCA,

    Well, I had the balloon put in today. It turns out that I am also having the SAVI one. It looked pretty crazy when I saw all of these different length tubes with wires coming out of my breast and I'm still getting my head around it. But fortunately, my node was negative and my margins were clean, so full speed ahead with APBI! I'll start the treatment on Monday. I will meet with the MO in a few weeks to see what, if anything else is recommended. I am still sore from the Lx and node removal. And some tenderness at the SAVI insertion site. I'm feeling pretty good, over all, just a little fragile and slightly freaked out! Anyway, let me know how you're doing, okay?

  • Kaneli
    Kaneli Member Posts: 100
    edited April 2016

    Hi Everybody! I am a 4 day survivor! :) I haven't posted for awhile, because my tumor type and choices have been a little different from most of the folks on this forum. At any rate, here goes. I had my lumpectomy 2 weeks ago today, (Mar 22). At that time, my BS put a spacer in the tumor cavity, in preparation for Brachytherapy. 3 days later, on Friday, after finding my margins were clear and my node was negative, (yay!) my BS put in a brachytherapy device: SAVI. The following Monday, last week, I began internal rads which lasted 5 days, 2x per day. I finished that treatment last Friday, April fools Day! They took the device out, and sent me on my merry way. As far as the experience, I felt it was a little rough, and there were days I felt it kicked my butt! My fatigue was overwhelming, but I realize that my emotional state could have played a part in that. Aside from that, I felt the device inside of my breast, and it did border between hurting , and just general pressure. I talked to others who were on the same timeline and treatment who were having an easier time than I was, I learned that the placement of my SAVI device was in an awkward position, which had to do with the location and whatever about my tumor, so maybe that's the reason I had a harder time. That being said, I am on the other side of it, and I got all the rads done in 5 days! I have no external burns and I am getting back into the groove of things. At this point, I just have a gauze bandage on the wound from the SAVI device, and I can stop that as soon as my minimal draining stops. My most troubling surgical effect is where they took out the sentinel node. It's still very tender and hurts quite a bit, at times....the surgery was only 2 weeks ago, so I realize that the node areas take a bit longer to heal. I have my first MO appointment this Friday. I don't know what he'll recommend, but it may be Hormone therapy. I have read different articles on the protocol of adjuvant treatment for my diagnosis and results, so we'll see. I know there are not many on this forum who have done the APBI (Brachytherapy) thing, but I thought I'd post it here. If anyone has the opportunity to do this type of rad, while I am not an expert, I would be happy to share my personal experience with you. All in all, even though it was not the easiest week, I would do it again, in a heartbeat. I feel fortunate that I was a candidate for this type of internal radiation, and if it is suggested to any of you reading this, feel free to email me, or ask me on this site. I will share this post on the Brachytherapy topic as well.

    Finally, to all of us, let's continue healing, stay strong and stay positive!

  • 2ndGenBCA
    2ndGenBCA Member Posts: 40
    edited November 2016

    Glad to hear you are doing well. :) I haven't posted in some time. I have been struggling with medications - specifically anastrozole - and the crippling SE the drug caused. Just one more battle - but I will prevail!  Wishing all you "Savi-Sisters" the best for continued healing and full recovery. 

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