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  • Tamiami
    Tamiami Member Posts: 396
    edited March 2016

    Thanks ladies for the ooph insight. I should have mentioned that I had my uterus removed at 23, so it would just be ooph. My gut is telling me to do it because of the high estrogen and now cysts...one being called "borderline". I have my last reconstruction surgery Tuesday, and I know you all understand just wanting to be finished with all of this! It's been a long 3.5 years!

  • __asher__
    __asher__ Member Posts: 147
    edited March 2016

    I'm glad you asked, Tamiami. I've been considering the same. My genetic testing found I have BRAC 1 so it also puts me at more of a risk for both. ((Hugs)) for your past few years. ❤️

    I had heard the information about people with their ovaries living longer, but I wonder if that's a study of women with BC, and were they high risk for reoccurrence? Just curious. Thanks. 😊

    I have a MUGA today. I have already had one Herceptin and theirs a history of high blood pressure in my family so I'm a little concerned.

    How many have/had two week vs. three weeks between your treatments? I wonder if that's even possible with the drugs they give us. I was in the trials forum and found this study linking dose dense plans to higher survival. The drugs they used were not any I was familiar with, but I'm pretty green when it comes to the BC information. They weren't sure if it was the chemo or the suppression of menses responsible, but it was interesting.

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/73/topics...

    I'm doing treatment 2 after my MUGA today. Healing thoughts to you all

  • Mommato3
    Mommato3 Member Posts: 633
    edited March 2016

    Ginger, I had five Herceptin only treatments left when my MUGA showed my EF had dropped to 52. My MO stopped my Herceptin treatments and had me consult with a cardiologist. I had an Echo done and my EF was back up to 57. The cardiologist put me on two heart medications to protect my heart while I finished the Herceptin. I think there was almost five weeks in between the treatments. Most women do recover after they finish Herceptin. Your MO and cardiologist may have you take a break until your EF comes back up or maybe your MO will think you've had enough Herceptin. Let us know how your MUGA goes.

    Tamiami, I had an ooph last September. The surgery was pretty easy for me. I even went to my son's baseball games the next day. I was also ready for all the treatments and surgeries to be finished!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited March 2016

    asher - I have a TN BRAC1+ friend who was diagnosed at 35, she did an ooph after her chemo was done and is glad she did. Also, looking at the study link - these drugs are anthracycline based regimens which are usually given dose dense with two week intervals. The regimen you are on does not have an anthracycline drug, and so is administered at three week intervals. The study was comparing anthracycline regimens against each other at dose dense two week intervals, and at three week intervals. One of the reasons you are on the regimen you are is to eliminate the cardiotoxicity that comes with both an anthracycline and Herceptin, and so that you can receive Perjeta, which the FDA approves with the TCH combo. Some have been able to receive Perjeta with AC-TH, but it is dependent on insurance cooperation.

  • JerseyGirl22
    JerseyGirl22 Member Posts: 342
    edited March 2016

    Ok, anyone else every have this... I had my Herceptin on Monday... Monday night my PN came back in the middle of the night with burning in my fingers and toes. It lasted a few hours, now it's just the PN... However, I feel like I'm in week two of chemo; beyond exhausted, slightly nauseous, doing just about anything wears me out. Oh, and Monday afternoon, started Tamoxifen... Doc says she's going to give me the 6 week - two month break from Herceptin to see if the PN eases, and that I just need rest after finishing rads two weeks ago, doing the Herceptin, and starting Tamoxifen...

    Has anyone else had this kind of exhaustion, etc. from Herceptin only? I'm praying this is a one time thing, but each time I've gotten the H only, I've been a bit more worn out each time, and it last longer than the requisite few days...

  • __asher__
    __asher__ Member Posts: 147
    edited March 2016

    Special K- I knew you could help a girl out. Thanks 😘 I can knock that out of the way.

    Thanks also for the info on the oophorectomy. I'm leaning in that direction.

  • DavisD
    DavisD Member Posts: 338
    edited March 2016

    SpecialK-No my tumor was 75% HERpos, 20%PR and 5%ER pos. Saw the MO today and he thought my choice made sense. Didn't think the amount of protection I would get from the Arimidex was worth the risk to my bones. I was diagnosed w/osteoporosis when I was 38. I was on Fosomax for several years, started weight bearing exercise and as I aged things actually improved to osteopenia. Still not great and close to osteoporosis but better.

  • rleepac
    rleepac Member Posts: 755
    edited March 2016

    JerseyGirl22 - yes, I have had similar reactions to H only. Sometimes I get by with minimal SEs and other times I feel like I got run over by a truck! Next week is my last one...woohoo!!

  • rleepac
    rleepac Member Posts: 755
    edited March 2016

    Just to clarify...I don't get PN but I do get the exhaustion, nausea, and joint pain

  • KateB79
    KateB79 Member Posts: 747
    edited March 2016

    Same thing here. I've had two "bad" Herceptin infusions: no PN, but the run-over-by-a-truck feeling. The other four infusions (I think it's been four, but maybe only three) have been just fine, including the last one. I see no pattern emerging; it feels completely random. My MO looks at me like I'm nuts and said, after I told her about the terrible leg and hip pain I had round-before-last, that she's "never heard of that before." I assured her that I'm not the only one. She's on the lookout.

    For what it's worth, I've read (can't remember where) that six months of Herceptin looks to be almost, if not just, as good as a full year. So if we have unpleasant SEs, it might be worth having a conversation with our MOs about discontinuing the drug.

    I have an echo today. Fingers crossed that the ticker is working as it should.

  • JerseyGirl22
    JerseyGirl22 Member Posts: 342
    edited March 2016

    Thanks for the info, friends!

    This is awful... I just got up and I've got to go lay on the couch! Nausea, extreme fatigue, and the Big D! I doubt the Tamoxifen is helping the situation this time around... I just read of many, many people having this same type of thing during Herceptin only... Like you said, Kate, completely random! My MO did say due to these SEs, she's giving me 6 weeks - 2 months off of the Herceptin, or she may discontinue altogether... We'll see. I can't keep doing this, that's for sure...


  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited March 2016

    davisd - got it - that makes sense now. With pre-existing bone issues an AI might be dangerous for you

  • Blownaway
    Blownaway Member Posts: 760
    edited March 2016

    davisd - I too have preexisting osteoporosis that improved to 'penia after several years of following the same regimen. I take Tamoxifen rather than an AI.

  • jodes001
    jodes001 Member Posts: 92
    edited March 2016

    Jerseygirl- I had my first Herceptin only on Monday. Today, I'm trying to be productive and just don't feel up to it. My skin feels tight, and I'm just lethargic.

    I really hope this isn't from the Herceptin. I also started radiation this week, but it isnt from that. My mo also said I wouldn't have se's from Herceptin. I had an echo yesterday, maybe there's a problem there?

    Jodi

  • DavisD
    DavisD Member Posts: 338
    edited March 2016

    Jodi-I just finished my 12 months of Herceptin and I can't tell you how many times they told me "Herceptin doesn't have any side effects" what a ridiculous statement! I finally just stopped even mentioning anything because I got that every time. I just started checking to see if my symptoms were listed under "common side effects" and if so I would feel validated and leave it alone (unless it's heart related)  I've had loose stools and lived on Imodium, avoiding eating while at work especially during these last few months. I have a hard time believing this is just my diet/I eat pretty healthy. Time will tell.  For me, Herceptin was worth the tradeoff. Radiation was brutal after about the third week but many ladies had no problems at all. Sending you my best wishes for few side effects:) Diane

  • GingerChi
    GingerChi Member Posts: 252
    edited March 2016

    Mommato3: Thanks for your input, I appreciate it! MUGA tomorrow!

    At first I thought Herceptin gave me no SE. I've finished 8 months ...and my last two made me feel woozy, and my upset stomach has gotten worse over the past month. The wooziness started on the day on infusion and hung on for a couple of days, the stomach issues are worse those days too. I have random days of fatigue and do alot of sleeping.

    Hope you get good results from your echo Kate!


  • rleepac
    rleepac Member Posts: 755
    edited March 2016

    H only always makes me puffy and tight from day 2-4.

    I, too get the comment that H doesn't have any SEs. I call bullshit! I don't make this stuff up...it really happens to me!

  • oranje_mama
    oranje_mama Member Posts: 260
    edited March 2016

    Posting here but not sure this is the right thread . . .

    I've been on Tamoxifen about 1.5 years. Till now, no major SEs - at least, that I could tell. It's impossible to say what was lingering chemo SE versus a new Tam SE. I really feel pretty great these days - maybe even better than pre-diagnosis. I think this is due to all the physical activity I'm doing - swimming, yoga, and I have a personal trainer.

    But about 2 weeks ago, I started spotting and intermittently bleeding. I've had no periods since my 2nd round of TCH, 2 years ago. My bloodwork shows me as peri-menopausal (not post-).

    Saw my GYN, she ordered an ultrasound, and that turned some up some thickening of the uterine lining, although apparently not significant. But also, a 3cm cyst on my R ovary which doc is not particularly concerned about (hemoragic cyst), and a 5cm cyst on my L ovary which "needs to be addressed."

    Next step she seems to be recommending is a hysteroscopy plus D&C/endometrial biopsy, plus, laproscopic removal of the cysts (or possibly the ovaries). She also floated the idea of a hysterectomy because I will be on Tamoxifen for the next 3.5 years, or alternatively, putting in a Mirena IUD because that is PR-only.

    All of this seems to be a result of Tamoxifen. I'm wondering if all of the alternatives/options are on the table? I'm reaching out to my oncologist for her views on this; also seeking a 2nd opinion from another GYN. Are there other questions I should be asking?


  • Jerseygirl927
    Jerseygirl927 Member Posts: 438
    edited March 2016

    Davis, the A1 is really another chemo type drug per MO and the probability if reoccurance is the biggest thing on my mind. If you really feel lucky, then don't do it, but I would do a trial of an A1 , they can always be changed if bad side effects, most don't get bad side effect. It really depends on your body. I just can't take the risk at 65. I want some more time here with my family. But do what's in you heart.

  • sandcastle63
    sandcastle63 Member Posts: 12
    edited March 2016

    Mitdd, I've had a difficult time (change that to most EXTREME) time with nausea/vomiting. I'm on Taxotere, Carboplatin, and Herceptin. My history is that I have always had difficulty with adjusting to medications as simple as Tylenol. Just finished my third treatment and finally seeing a tiny light at the end of the tunnel. Keep talking to your onco and nurse coordinator. I had good luck with Compazine in the past but not with chemo. Lorazepam is a good stable for me to keep my brain from over-exaggerating the symptoms. Lorazepam is a medication that I use in my practice as a hospice nurse for nausea quite often. I've tried Zofran and the related drug products. Now started a new capsule called Akynzeo which is a combination medication lasting 7 days. (Insurance would not cover but the cancer center pharmacist found some coupon to cut the cost. Love him!) Still use lorazepam once or twice a day but at least the food and fluid intake is improving. I get supplemental IV hydration after treatment on day 4 and 6 after chemo which also helps. We tried Zyprexa, which is an atypical antipsychotic, that can be used for tough cases but the side effects were unbearable. Not everyone has the same side effects remember but don't let them give up on finding something that works for you. Finishing treatment is the goal. Be persistent and don't suffer between treatments. Call your nurse coordinator every day if you need to. Best of luck.

  • JerseyGirl22
    JerseyGirl22 Member Posts: 342
    edited March 2016

    I'm posting this to a couple of boards, hoping someone can help... or at least offer some advice here...

    OK, day 6... need some thoughts here... since day one, violent nausea, extreme fatigue, and really bad diarrhea... lasts for about 6 hours!!!! I'm trying to eat, drink lots (ginger ale right now) and rest. This unbelievable though!!! It feels like week two of a chemo cycle. Anyone else have bad side effects??? MO says, take Zofran for the nausea, Immodium for the diarrhea, and Ativan for helping with sleep... Ugh! I don't want to take all of this other stuff just to take this drug...Seriously, having trouble functioning beyond moving from my bed to the couch. I was feeling "ok" on Herceptin only, except for PN and some "cold symptoms"

    Help!

  • jodes001
    jodes001 Member Posts: 92
    edited March 2016

    Jerseygirl22- So sorry about your yucky feelings!! It sounds like a flu or virus, could it be that? or do you think its se's? I kind of hope its an illness that will go away.....you are on Herceptin only now, right?

    ugh....stay tough!

  • JerseyGirl22
    JerseyGirl22 Member Posts: 342
    edited March 2016

    jodes... nope, not a flu or virus... today I haven't taken the Tamoxifen yet, as they told me to try it at night, and I feel almost normal... just a little run down... It's SEs... so frustrating...

  • Sammy3
    Sammy3 Member Posts: 136
    edited March 2016

    Hi everyone - I am a triple + who has maybe only posted 1 or 2x here. I am pretty active on the Chemo Dec 15 group. As I am winding the chemo part down I have followed you all pretty closely for advice, etc. I am a little nervous about hearing all of your responses/SE's to tamoxifen. Are there any other options for the pre-menopausal group that I should talk to my MO about?

  • Buffalex22
    Buffalex22 Member Posts: 1
    edited March 2016

    hi there in new to this site.

    I had triple negative stageIII b breast cancer, 6 round of chemo, double mastectomy,and 28 rounds of radiation. Diagnosis in may12th 2015, last chemo was Sept 19th, surgery was oct16 and last rads was Jan 28th 2016. Started tamoxifen 6 weeks ago and before that all my numbers were great, I was feeling good working fulltime, then this last wed went in for herceptin and told them about these tiny red spots on my feet so they took blood and my platelet dropped to 9, my hemoglobin dropped to 8 and my wbc is 2.7. So my oncologist wanted to do a bone marrow biopsy which I had on Thurs. He wouldn't give me a reason why this could happen so fast, he wants the results first. So of coarse I freak out and go onine. I'm really scared that is Mets to my bones or blood. Haso thus happened to anyone else?

    Any insight would be great!

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited March 2016

    Sammy3,

    I was premenopausal, and I'm taking an ovulation supressor (Zoladex) so I can take an AI (Aromasin). But, AIs have their own set of SEs (like joint pain), that I've just been fortunate enough to avoid. Both Tamoxifen and the AIs are effective; it might just come down to whatever you can tolerate best.

  • Mommato3
    Mommato3 Member Posts: 633
    edited March 2016

    Sammy, I was on Tamoxifen for about 4 months (I know not a long time) and didn't have any SEs at all. I wouldn't worry too much. It's possible you might be one of the lucky ones not to have any problems. Like Elaine said, you could do OS plus an AI. Again, those can have their own possible SEs too. You can always give it a try and switch if you are unable to cope with it.

  • mltdd
    mltdd Member Posts: 87
    edited March 2016

    Sandcastle23 - thanks!

    Jerseygirl22 - I've found a nausea/vomiting regiment of Zofran, Compazine, and Ativan that is working for now. I found it on the Tahoe Forest Cancer Center website. (sorry I cant figure out how to post a link to the pdf.) i can't even due ginger ale. The bubbles are a problem. This has been the roughest round yet regarding the SE. I'm just starting to feel better and go back for round 4 on Thursday.

  • GrandmaV
    GrandmaV Member Posts: 1,267
    edited March 2016

    For those with nausea and vomiting. I used scopolamine transdermal patch. Helped a lot.

  • Blownaway
    Blownaway Member Posts: 760
    edited March 2016

    What steroids are being given during infusios. I was so sick after my first TCH, I didnt think I could continue. The "veteran" ladies on this website told me to request 5 different steroids be given during infusions and I was never sick after that.. Hopefully someone will see this post and supply the names of the steroids because I can no longer remember them. I do know that my onco told me that I had been given all but two on the list during my first infusion at which point I said "add them". It made a huge difference.

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