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  • Faith83111
    Faith83111 Member Posts: 11
    edited March 2016

    Thank you so much ladies!

    I did mashed potatoes/Mac and cheese this evening as suggested and I was able to eat the majority of both of them (most I have had to eat in one setting in days) : )

    I did not eat ice chips during infusion round one so I will be sure to definitely do this round two as to try to prevent as much as possible! Tomorrow I will layer on Ensure and milk shakes, as well as look for the lozenges.

    KHinMD tomorrow is day 10 for me so hoping for more relief! I agree so far none of the side effects I've experienced thus far amount to the pain and discomfort of this, thank you guys for giving me some tools to get through, because no matter what, we will all get through!

  • KHinMD
    KHinMD Member Posts: 44
    edited March 2016

    Blessed2Be - I was thinking fear of medical liability, especially if the FE doesn't have experience with patients who are cancer survivors, was another reason. It's good that you are seeking a second opinion. I'm sure there will be FEs out there who have helped cancer survivors, or your MO can put your current FE at ease. He may even refer you to one. Thanks regarding my own family planning. I'm worried since I'm single, so I plan to put those 2 years to good use.

    Faith83111 - With each treatment I always noticed the turnaround point where things would start to get back to normal was Day 10, the halfway point between treatments. I know every person is different, but I'm really hoping it's the same for you too. I feel like things are happening to you as they did to me when I was starting out. I noticed the timing of the SEs would always occur around the same time with each treatment, and some, like Big D, would go away quickly with medication. For the most part, any existing SEs didn't get any worse with each treatment except fatigue. Then I would acquire a new one, like neuropathy in the fingers after #4, which hasn't gotten worse after #5.

    People usually talk about physical SEs. I sometimes have to deal with what I feel are emotional ones too, where I am sad and discouraged. It's all tied into having lower energy from fatigue and lack of appetite, not being able to do things that used to be easy, not knowing if the treatment is working, worrying if I'll get back to normal, wondering how I'm going to find someone and start a family someday, etc. Those sad feelings go away by Day 10 when I start to feel more like myself physically.

    Happy Friday everyone.

  • jodes001
    jodes001 Member Posts: 92
    edited March 2016

    First radiation treatment, and Herceptin alone tomorrow. No steroids with Herceptin, right?? Any advice??

  • Cowgirl13
    Cowgirl13 Member Posts: 1,936
    edited March 2016

    Jodes, have them run the drip at 90 minutes. Drinking 2 quarts of water a day really helped!

  • Kthielen
    Kthielen Member Posts: 194
    edited March 2016

    Hi girls! Haven't been on for a while. I have a few side effects I am a little worried about and wondering if anyone else has these or any ideas what it could be from. I have become very sore in my legs when I first start walking, I feel like I am 80! My fingers have started hurting and I get a fullness feeling....it's really weird. My upper back has started hurting really bad if I have been walking for a while, I just need to sit and rest it then I feel better. My face is super dry....it is flaky and I have been moisterizing it like crazy. Plus I have gotten 2 big pimples in the last month which hasn't happened for 2 years since I started chemo!

    I am on Armidex and venlafaxine.

    I recently got my bloodworm done and my WBC count is 3.0!!! It has been running 4.5 the last 6 months.

    Anyone have these side effects or guesses of what might be going on?? Kind of freaking out but trying to keep my cool!

    Kathy

  • VioletKali
    VioletKali Member Posts: 243
    edited March 2016

    Those symptoms are common with AI drugs. I was on Aromasin, and I woke up every day so stiff and sore!


  • JenPam
    JenPam Member Posts: 176
    edited March 2016

    Re: Zometa, I'm about to have my first infusion in a few weeks. I'll have it every six months for three years. My MO recommends it along with Femara. I had a baseline bone density scan a few days ago, and it will be interesting to see what happens once I start taking an AI regularly.

    DurhamGirl, are you feeling better now?

    Faith, I found that I could always tolerate grilled cheese sandwiches. Good luck!


  • mltdd
    mltdd Member Posts: 87
    edited March 2016

    Kthielen -- I have many of the same symptoms. My back pain is in the lower left. It comes without any activity at all and can be so bad it is hard to sit up straight. Heating pads help. I have not had any skin issues since my first chemo session. I use clyndomicin in the morning and differin gel at night for the acne and cetaphil for moisture. I have not found anything to help with the leg pain. I have been percriped percocet for pain. but because of issues with my liver am unable to take any acetaminophen products including tylenol.

  • CyndiNic
    CyndiNic Member Posts: 59
    edited March 2016

    Good luck Jodes001!! Steroids are behind us thank goodness - any more time on them and I would need a new wardrobe!!! Cowgirl has great advice - every once and a while I do substitute a sparkling seltzer for the water when I need a little flavor.

    Cyndi



  • Lisaj514
    Lisaj514 Member Posts: 719
    edited March 2016

    I post on other threads but need to and ask some questions here. My older sister has just been dx with bc (she is 57, 58 in April, I'm 55). She has triple + (lump at 9:00 in L) with additional pagets disease (cancer of the nipple, rare, 1-2%of bc). Very diff from my dx(TN). She initially thought it was going to be lx with rads but once path came back with Trip+ and nipple cancer it changed. She is very scared and feeling hopeless. She is now looking at bmx chemo and herceptin. (No rads with mx and hopefully no nodes).She was just finishing tx for non Hodgkins lymphoma and actually had 1 more retuxin infusion left then this. She is fit, takes excellent care of herself, eats well, is thin, exercises... My questions are mostly regarding bmx but any thoughts for T+ gals would be appreciated. I told her to join this site and forums but I don't think she is ready yet and just too overwhelmed so I'm doing for her. I have also been looking on the pagets thread and mx. She texted me today saying she " truly doesn't know if she can do this". I need to help her get through this.We live 5 hrs from each other so we text and call. She's on LI with a great cancer center, carol Baldwin breast cancer center. She was a great support for me during my tx.

    How soon after your dx did you have bmx or umx surgery?, she will see ps wed and saw bs last week. She wants to wait till 4/11. The doc does surgery every other Monday so 3/28 or 4/11. She's had Mri and PET due to lymphoma they don't think lymph involvement but will do snlb. That will be almost 5 wks after dx. They say it's small <1cm but the 2 spots-lump near cleavage and then the nipple. I'm worried maybe that's a long time between dx and surgery

    She heard bad stories about bmx and reconstruction, painful, complicated, many problems etc and I want to hear if any of you would do it differently now that you know what you know? What would you do different? Why?

    She first was thinking of not reconstructing but now that bmx she wants to but afraid of the bad stories. What can, should I tell her?

    She works as a speech therapist at k-3 school right near her home and loves her job and wants to return this year if possible (I don't think she should or can but she's thinking of maybe for end of yr cse mtgs etc) and definitely in sept. What are the mx restrictions for the first month?2months? I know drains and lifting etc. no lifting at school but elementary school kids. how soon did you go back to work? She will have chemo so there's that which I know all about.

    Herceptin has been very successful with T+ right

    I'm probably going to post this in a few forums. Thanks for listening

  • Mommato3
    Mommato3 Member Posts: 633
    edited March 2016

    Lisa, I had an MX with immediate reconstruction. There weren't any complications or problems with either surgery. Obviously I was sore for a few days after the MX but felt pretty good after that. The day after my exchange surgery I was at the ball field watching my son play baseball. I worked at an elementary school as their librarian and was able to go back to work two weeks after my surgery (MX). The nurse made me promise (repeatedly) not to do any lifting or hugging kiddos. She was afraid the kiddos would accidentally pull out my drain. Hopefully this positive story helps!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited March 2016

    lisa - welcome! I used to live in Rome, NY - both of my kiddos were born there! I am so sorry to hear of your sister's dx, on the tail end of treatment for NHL, and your dx as well - that is a lot. Take inspiration from those of us here on the TP thread - she can indeed do this. If your sister is looking at wanting to minimize the number of surgeries and recoveries - she might ask her PS about direct to implant, if she is a candidate. That is done simultaneously with BMX and eliminates the need for an exchange surgery. Not sure if the nipple involvement would be an issue, but she can ask. I did not work through chemo as my job was in a bio-hazardous area of the hospital, and my MO felt it best not to. I was fortunate to have FMLA and short and long term disab, and I did return to work 30 days after my last infusion, while still continuing on Herceptin. There are many on this thread who were able to continue working - it is an individual thing and not possible to determine how one will react and manage until you are in the process. Since your sister has a smaller mass she may also be able to receive 12 weekly Taxol and Herceptin if she is found to be node negative, which may be more gentle for her, rather than a dual or multi drug regimen. I had surgery five weeks after definitive diagnosis, partly due to needing to wait for BRCA testing results since I am adopted - and a positive result would have influenced the type of surgery recommended by my BS. I also needed a MRI prior to surgery since I had a long history of bi-lat issues. I am one who did experience reconstruction complications, but I would not change any of my early choices - most of my issues have fallen outside of the norm, so could not have been predicted or expected. Wishing you both the best - definitely come here for any help we can give you, or questions we can answer.

  • DavisD
    DavisD Member Posts: 338
    edited March 2016

    Hi ladies. I'm getting ready to have my last Herceptin infusion on Wed and feeling a little anxious. Kind of embarrassed to post this, don't know if anyone else made this choice...my tumor was 75% HER2, I already had osteopenia and severe vaginal atrophy and dryness, I just couldn't think about taking the Arimidex and worsening my quality of life. I keep thinking maybe I should..after Wed I'll have no protection from recurrence. I'm going to ask for some stats re how much benefit would I really get from sucking it up and taking the AI? Anyone else struggle with this decision and/or have the same %? It's been a very long year and I'm so ready to be done with it all. I'm almost 55 btw..

  • Nolagirl1126
    Nolagirl1126 Member Posts: 196
    edited March 2016

    Lisa, I think posing the question to her SO if waiting 3-4 weeks is warranted. I am guessing they may take the grade of your sister's tumor into consideration. I was back to work 3 weeks after MX. She may want to go back to get her mind off of her DX. I am currently on Taxol/Herceptin. Totally do-able, and I am working (abbreviated hours) through it.

    ...and my Sister is having a biopsy on Thursday...and I have been lurking on other boards about her situation. She is lucky to have you

    Best of luck to her! You can post here for her anytime.

  • Lisaj514
    Lisaj514 Member Posts: 719
    edited March 2016

    momma and specialk, thank you for your quick reply. The women on these forums are amazing. I will talk to my sister tomorrow probably. She needs to process and I am info gathering for her right now. Luckily my other sister is an RN at LIJ on an infusion outpt unit giving chemo and transfusions etc we will pull her through this.

    Specialk, I live in new Hartford now. Work at st Luke's hospital in therapy/rehabnow but did home care throughout Rome last year. I am an occupational therapist.

  • Kthielen
    Kthielen Member Posts: 194
    edited March 2016

    special k, what were your symptoms with Armidex?

    Did anyone have low WBC count with Armidex?

    Kathy


  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited March 2016

    davisd - did you mean your tumor was 75% ER+? Arimidex would have no bearing on the HEr2 aspect. I was osteopenic and had a total hyst/ooph 9 years prior to being diagnosed, so I had those same pre-existing issues before starting endocrine therapy - I did it anyway because I was too worried about recurrence not to. I know it is a hard decision because you are worried about compounding the issues you already have, and adding new ones, but maybe ask your MO for some best estimates of benefit.

    lisa - yay for being an OT - such a great job and I am sure you help so many. I lived in Rome a long time ago - '86 - '90, in a little ivy covered Cape Cod house on N. Madison, my DH was stationed at Griffiss AFB.

    kthielen - I took Femara for the first year (my MO likes it best) and developed a trigger thumb, then switched to Arimidex. I did fine for about a year - had the same SE as on Femara, but none of them too severe. At the one year point I developed a very inflamed right knee which required a cortisone injection, another trigger finger, a trigger in a toe, and one in my left ankle. Very problematic - especially if I had a dueling combo of knee and ankle - I basically couldn't walk. I switched back to Femara, but a different manufacturer, and have had no problems to speak of. It has now been almost three years back on Femara. I have had depressed WBC throughout, but my counts tend to run a little low - they did prior to diagnosis. How low is your WBC?

  • edwsmom
    edwsmom Member Posts: 346
    edited March 2016

    HI Lisa,

    I just had BMX in January, however my doctors did the mastectomies and reconstruction at the same time - all in one surgery (straight to implant). So I didn't need to have tissue expanders and I don't need to have any other surgeries. I also was able to get a breast reduction out of the process (which I had been wanting - went from a DDD to a C cup).

    If I was your sister I'd push the breast surgeon and plastic surgeon on this issue to see if she's a candidate to get it all done at once. I was lucky and my plastic surgeon really lobbied for us to be able to do the surgery this way.

    I'm in my 40's, have a toddler and work full time, the idea of multiple surgeries was totally daunting to me. It worked out very well, in 6 weeks I feel totally back to normal, though I was back to working from home 2 weeks after surgery and back in the office 3 weeks after. Now, I'm just watching the scars healing/fading.

    Hope this helps!


  • Lisaj514
    Lisaj514 Member Posts: 719
    edited March 2016

    edw-yes that helped a lot. I will talk to her tonight and she sees ps tomorrow. So no filling? And the implants put in at mx are the final ones? She needs nipple removed on L and maybe skin will have to be expanded to get implant in. What kind of implant? She is small cheste

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited March 2016

    lisa - direct to implant generally is better for smaller breasted women because it is limited to what will fit behind the pectoral muscle at the time of surgery with no expansion. It can also work for a larger breasted woman who wishes to be smaller. The final implant - regular type used for both augmentation and reconstruction - is used. There is also another type of implant called a Becker that is a hybrid of expander and final implant that some PS have used, but I don't see it that often- it is expanded but not removed. Here is a link:

    https://beckerbreastimplants.wordpress.com/2010/03...

  • edwsmom
    edwsmom Member Posts: 346
    edited March 2016

    Yes - they used a final implant in my surgery (no filling - just the one surgery and done).I don't need to have other surgeries.

    I went with silicone implants, tear shaped.

    SpecialK is right - I was told that going straight to implant is better for smaller chested women and those (like me) who were looking to reduce.

  • Blownaway
    Blownaway Member Posts: 760
    edited March 2016

    SusanHG - I too am banned from Herceptin for life. My LVEF went from my normal of 56 down to 35 after only 6 rounds of Herceptin. That was over a year ago and the cardio tells me my LVEF is back to my old normal but I still have shortness of breath and they are keeping me on Lisinopril and Carvedilol. Not sure why.

  • Mommato3
    Mommato3 Member Posts: 633
    edited March 2016

    Blown, did your cardiologist tell you how long you'd be on Lisinopril and Carvedilol? I started it last summer when my EF dropped to 52. My cardiologist said until the end of this year. He said the drugs are protecting my heart and keeping it from remodeling. My EF is back up to 65.

  • Blownaway
    Blownaway Member Posts: 760
    edited March 2016

    He never said anything about stopping either drug. My next appt with him is not till August.

  • Tamiami
    Tamiami Member Posts: 396
    edited March 2016

    My answer may be buried somewhere in this thread, but I'll ask anyway. I'm looking for the pros and cons of removing my ovaries. I'm 53 and still pre-menopausal...producing a lot of estrogen. I have cysts on both ovaries that they are watching, and I just feel like I might as well just remove them. I'm Braca negative. I worry that because my cancer was +++ that all of this extra estrogen is a ticking time bomb. Thoughts?


  • Kthielen
    Kthielen Member Posts: 194
    edited March 2016

    I am assuming you have had your hormones checked, I think if you are still producing a lot of estrogen I would have removed especially since you are dealing with cysts as well. I had them removed, I was only 38 at diagnosis and had them removed at age 40. It sucks going in to menopause so young but I want to do everything possible to prevent recurrence. Hope this helped:)

    Blessings

    Kathy

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited March 2016

    Hi!

    I was premenopausal before active treatment, and I'm taking an ovulation suppressor (Zoladex) to shut my ovaries down. I don't have cysts on my ovaries or anything. I asked OB/GYN about removing my ovaries so I could stop taking Zoladex. He said he typically doesn't take the ovaries out unless there are other complications (like cysts) because women who keep their ovaries tend to live longer than those who had them removed. But, he left it up to me. He understood that monthly Zoladex could be a hassle, and felt like I'd been through enough with my various treatments. I decided to keep my ovaries. I don't mind the monthly Zoladex, and I have to get my port flushed every 6 -- 8 weeks anyways. So, I combine the two. It's no biggie, plus I liked my chemo nurses and it's nice to get caught up with them. If I were you, and I had cysts, I would probably have had my ovaries removed. The operation is pretty routine and the recovery doesn't take very long. Best wishes!

  • GingerChi
    GingerChi Member Posts: 252
    edited March 2016

    I've been taking Herceptin since July...at first it was weekly with Taxol, then every 3 weeks since Oct. I have 5 more to go. I just had an echo and my EF has dropped to 40-45% (I started at 60-65%). I've been getting echos every 3 months, and the last one in Dec was at 50-55%. I don't see a cardiologist, the MO's office had one to read my tests. They just started using a different Dr to read them, so this last one was read by the new guy. MO thinks the difference in Dr's could be part of the significant change. So no infusion this week, and I'm scheduled for a MUGA scan on Friday. I'm not on any heart meds, other than a beta blocker for high blood pressure. Has anyone ever experienced something similar, but then later was put back on Herceptin? I was so close to finishing.....but am worried about the heart damage. Any input is appreciated!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited March 2016

    Just throwing this out there - I had a total hyst/ooph nine years prior to being diagnosed with very ER+ breast cancer - so not sure if it provided any benefit for me. I had numerous symptomatic fibroid tumors in my uterus, was done having children so my GYN said let's take the ovaries too since I had been plagued with uncomfortable cysts. Turned out to have a 3cm pre-malignant tumor in the right ovary, which either grew in between the TVU and the surgery (6 months), or was missed by the imaging. Pros to the ooph are being able to take an AI drug, thought to be more effective than Tamoxifen, no periods, potentially less risk of recurrence, no more cysts. Cons are surgical menopause, possible bone and cholesterol issues, sexual side effects, some people experience mood swings and sleep issues, hot flashes, etc.

  • JerseyGirl22
    JerseyGirl22 Member Posts: 342
    edited March 2016

    Well, due to the PN coming back in a big way in the middle of the night after my latest Herceptin infusion, I'll be getting a six week break from it, and see if the symptoms improve... So now it's just taking day 3 of Tamoxifen.... (insert sigh)

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