TCH vs TCHP

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Betty-PA
Betty-PA Member Posts: 8

have to select between TCH and TCHP treatment after surgery. Any comments / experiences are really appreciated.

Stage II, 2cm tumor, 3 nodes positive. ER+/HR-/Her2+. Grade 3. Had Lumpectomy and axillary node dissection.

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  • Betty-PA
    Betty-PA Member Posts: 8
    edited March 2016

    have to select between TCH and TCHP treatment after surgery. Any comments / experiences are really appreciated.

    Stage II, 2cm tumor, 3 nodes positive. ER+/HR-/Her2+. Grade 3. Had Lumpectomy and axillary node dissection

  • KateB79
    KateB79 Member Posts: 747
    edited March 2016

    My vote is TCHP. Perjeta is incredibly promising, if relatively new. I had no SEs (that I know of) from Perjeta, and I'm very grateful to have received it, since HER2 is nothing to mess around with. The combination of Perjeta and Herceptin is, in my MO's opinion, the only way to treat any one of us who qualifies for Perjeta.

    It's a targeted treatment, so you're not really adding another chemotherapeutic agent if you decide to get it. The SE that some women experience is diarrhea, but that can be controlled with Imodium.

    Happy to answer questions if you have them. My diagnosis was very similar to yours.

    Edited to add this: you might want to check out the triple-positive thread, too. Even if you're ER/PR negative, there's some good info there about various chemo/targeted therapy regimens. :)

  • TripleP
    TripleP Member Posts: 21
    edited March 2016

    TCHP

    The oncology nurses at the infusion site said they were having tremendous outcomes with it,

  • CassieCat
    CassieCat Member Posts: 1,257
    edited March 2016

    If Perjeta is an option for you, post-surgery, I'd say do it. Absolutely.

  • Betty-PA
    Betty-PA Member Posts: 8
    edited March 2016

    thank you all for your responses. Really appreciate. However, my doctor uses TCHP only for patienrs BEFORE surgery. For AFTER surgery, he only use TCH without perjeta. Any one has TCH or TCHP after surgery?

  • KateB79
    KateB79 Member Posts: 747
    edited March 2016

    I had TCHP after surgery, because my largest tumor was over 2cm. It's been approved. If that oncologist won't do it, my advice is to find one who will!

  • debiann
    debiann Member Posts: 1,200
    edited March 2016

    At the time I had my treatment, Perjeta was not approved for post surgery (adjunctive), so I did not get it. My MO was disappointed that my BS performed a lumpectomy before sending me to see him. But things are changing and if you are able to get it and insurance covers it, there's no good reason to not get it. The side effects I've seen reported from Perjeta seem minimal for most. If you would have a problem with it you could stop it and continue with just the TCH. The T and the C are the main culprits for causing unpleasant side effects.

  • Tinkerbells
    Tinkerbells Member Posts: 211
    edited March 2016

    go for tchp- many studies showing a dual blockade has better outcomes for her2. I had it post surgery. Only side effects were diarrhea, which eventually went away after 3 months. Had tinnitus and vertigo but not sure which agent was the culprit and it was manageable

  • MissBee123
    MissBee123 Member Posts: 186
    edited March 2016

    I had TCHP before surgery and my tumor did not respond to treatment so it was ceased after 3 rounds and I was sent for surgery.

    After surgery I began AC+T in January. I was living in NYC and there my doctor said he would only add Herceptin to my Taxol regimen. I moved, however, to Colorado, before I began Taxol and my new oncologist said Perjeta is now approved for adjuvent therapy and she absolutely wants me on it. I had my first THP yesterday and so far I'm doing great. If you can find an oncologist who will approve it, you absolutely should, as the combination of both is far better than Herceptin alone (some studies say up to 60% more effective).

  • Mommato3
    Mommato3 Member Posts: 633
    edited March 2016

    I would find an MO that would give you Perjeta. My MO (new one after surgery) automatically included the Perjeta with my Taxol and Herceptin. She said it was more effective. The insurance company didn't even question it.

  • Betty-PA
    Betty-PA Member Posts: 8
    edited March 2016

    thank you ALL for responses. Since there is NO exisitng clinial data support that adding perjeta to TCH is beneficial for AFTER surgery patients, that is why this top hospital does not offer perjeta. They are driven by existing efficiency and safety data since Perjeta was approved to use in early stage her2 BEFORE suegery. I like this top hospital since they have more experience, but they do not offer perjeta. A local hospital offers perjeta, but they are not as experienced as this top hospital. It is tough decision.

  • fightergirl711
    fightergirl711 Member Posts: 300
    edited March 2016

    Betty-PA I go to one of the top cancer treatment institutes in the country, and I am currently on Taxol+Herceptin+Perjeta, once this regimen is over I'll start AC x4. The tumor board actually reversed the order of the drugs, which was initially going to be AC first, then the THP, because of the effectiveness on this combination. Once chemo is over, I'll need surgery again (I had a lumpectomy in Dec. with bad margins and 4/4 nodes.) So I don't know if I am technically post- or pre-surgery, but I am receiving the Perjeta by a team that believes it's effective.

  • Betty-PA
    Betty-PA Member Posts: 8
    edited March 2016

    Thanks so much for sharing info. The top hospital i went is also a national cancer institution designated cancer center. They do not offer perjeta in my case.

  • Cowgirl13
    Cowgirl13 Member Posts: 1,936
    edited March 2016

    I would definitely have the perjeta. When I was diagnosed, I wanted to throw everything at my cancer. At that time perjeta was not approved and I did Taxotere, Carboplatin & Herceptin. My thinking was that if I had a recurrence and I didn't throw everything at it, i would be devasted that I had not thrown everything at it.

    You might want to check other top cancer treatment centers to see if they offer the perjeta.

  • Seashine
    Seashine Member Posts: 24
    edited March 2016

    I start TCHP pre-surgery on 3/23. I am nervous about SE. My MO says I should not read what others go through, but that is so hard! I want to know what to expect. Please just let this work!!!

  • mltdd
    mltdd Member Posts: 87
    edited March 2016

    I had TCHP post limpectomy and lymph node removal surgery. I only had perjeta twice. We stopped it because I could not deal with the side effects. However my doctor stressed that have 2 doses was better than non since the drug is so promising. Right now I'm dealing with a lot of side effects from the Carboplatin. Don't be discourged by my experience, I'm just one of those people who gets all the side effects even the uncommon ones.

  • GentleBird
    GentleBird Member Posts: 16
    edited March 2016

    My MO initially prescribed TCHP, but my insurance company denied the P because my tumor is 1.6 centimeters rather than greater than 2 centimeters.

    I will have my third TCH treatment tomorrow and will be half way through the treatment plan.

    I'm driving myself nuts with questioning if my MO should fight the insurance and ask again for the P to be included in my treatment. I am very worried about the recurrence rate and the survival rate. I wish I could let this all go, but I'm a mess.

    Insurance did deny the neulasta shot. After my first treatment, I developed neutropenic fever and was in hospital for 4 days. Insurance finally approved neulasta after second TCH treatment.

  • JCS28
    JCS28 Member Posts: 153
    edited March 2016

    I'm a little late to this thread, but I wanted to add my story. I was part of a clinical trial where I had ONLY Herceptin and Perjeta before surgery. And it totally shrunk my tumor! Now I'm having Taxotere along with Herceptin and Perjeta after surgery. With the Herceptin and Perjeta before surgery, I had zero side effects. I would take those drugs for 10 years or more if they would let me. There are some people that have heart trouble on those drugs, so I'm being monitored by echocardiogram every 3 months. But so far, no changes.

    I am fortunate that my insurance is still paying for Perjeta along with Herceptin. My doctor said they often deny it after surgery.

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