January 2016 Chemo!

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  • buttaflydiva
    buttaflydiva Member Posts: 88
    edited March 2016

    question about glutamine-how many of you are taking it? im concerned because although ive read that it can help with neuropathy, there are also numerous studies that indicate glutamine aids in tumor growth so there seems to be some controversy around it. im kind of scared to take it now.

  • JCS28
    JCS28 Member Posts: 153
    edited March 2016

    buttaflydiva -- ME TOO! I read some studies about glutamine and HER2 and was scared to take glutamine. I asked my MO and she said it's all theoretical. But then she said she thinks icing my fingers during chemo has a better chance of preventing neuropathy than the glutamine. So I haven't taken anymore. Also, she said if I did take it it was something like 10g twice a day!

  • DFWFLYGIRL
    DFWFLYGIRL Member Posts: 146
    edited March 2016

    Hey ladies,

    Just finished my first Taxol. Like Jill...mine was uneventful and I wore/rotated icing mittens and footies. Will see how days 2-5 are but decent today so far:))))

  • LovesToFly
    LovesToFly Member Posts: 1,133
    edited March 2016

    good luck. Today has been awesome. Completely normal except having to give myself Neulasta shot.

  • Valstim52
    Valstim52 Member Posts: 1,324
    edited March 2016

    ladies

    I had first taxol on Monday, uneventful day 1 and 2. Today, the worst pains. Muscle pains. No tingling of hands and feet. Just terrible groin, hip, thigh and arms. (ok everywhere).

    NP told me about this side effect and to take pain meds for the couple of days it last. Sheesh. Still better than AC.


  • Cathytoo
    Cathytoo Member Posts: 667
    edited March 2016

    End of day 3 of my third TC infusion. I was flying high until one hour ago. Total exhaustion‼️ Took me completely by surprise. My MO warned me this one would knock me out. Guess a few bad days are ahead

  • mltdd
    mltdd Member Posts: 87
    edited March 2016

    I got a surprise free hair cut today. I've been going to the Great Clips since by hair fell out on day 15 following my first chemo. I did not want to go to my regular stylist or anyone else who know me. I didn't want to do the whole mourning of the hair thing. Today was my third visit and at the end the stylist told me she needed to adjust the bill before I paid. She put in a "Clips of Kindness" discount. All I had to pay for was the shampoo. Of course I tipped her nicely, she did not have to do that. Your local stores may also offer this discount. I know treatment is expensisve and every little bit helps.

  • DFWFLYGIRL
    DFWFLYGIRL Member Posts: 146
    edited March 2016

    MLTDD-that is so nice and cool and helps with mounting expenses:))

    Valstim52-glad you had a good few days. I am hoping you feel better and praying that day 3 is not awful for those of us coming up on it. (3 is becoming my unlucky number)

    Jill- woop woop.....hope your days continue to be good!



  • fightergirl711
    fightergirl711 Member Posts: 300
    edited March 2016

    I'm wondering, are those of you who are experiencing pain on Taxol on a weekly schedule, or dose dense? I'm getting #10 of the weekly tomorrow, and haven't experienced that kind of pain at all. Also, I didn't get a commitment on L-glutamine either, but the nutritionist and MO definitely steered me toward 100mg MAX of B6. I replaced my B complex with just B6. Here's the email - but DEFINITELY check with your doc first:

    "Peripheral neuropathy, caused by certain chemotherapy drugs, causes numbness and tingling in the hands and feet. It is thought that vitamin B6 can aid in reducing neuropathy by maintaining the covering on nerve endings. In doses from 50-200 mg, B6 has been found to be effective in treating neuropathy. However, at doses higher than 200mg, it actually has the opposite effect and can contribute to the neuropathy. Therefore, we generally recommend a dose of 100mg B6, if approved by your doctor. Vitamin B12 at 1000 mcg may also help with symptoms of neuropathy.

    The other B vitamins in the B complex vitamin are generally safe, but they do not contribute to the neuropathy treatment. We generally recommend taking only what you need, a separate B6 and B12 supplement as opposed to a complex. This helps ensure getting a therapeutic dose without ingesting excess or supplements that are unnecessary. Certain B vitamins, such as folate, can interfere with effectiveness of treatment, so be sure to ask your doctor before starting any supplement. As a note, other things that can help with neuropathy include adequate hydration and acupuncture."

  • MissBee123
    MissBee123 Member Posts: 186
    edited March 2016

    Thanks fightergirl, that's a really helpful email to read. My doctor recommended glutamine during Taxol, but she made it sound as if it was completely up to me. I don't think I'll be doing any icing or glutamine unless I start to experience side effects.

    I met my new oncologist and she is continuing my treatment with haste so tomorrow I start Taxol, Herceptin, and Perjeta. I wasn't originally going to have Perjeta because my New York oncologist said it was only approved for neoadjuvent therapy. Apparently that protocol has changed, though, so Perjeta it is! I'm nervous because last time I had it it gave me horrid rash and crippling diarrhea. The diarrhea was so bad I literally could not leave the house. I am hoping things will go a little easier on me this time.

    My new oncologist also began to discuss Tamoxifen and Lupron and pros/cons of each. While we won't settle anything until Herceptin and Perjeta are done (a year from now) I just can't quite get over the recommended 10 years of Tamoxifen. I know it's just a pill to take with very few side effects, but I emotionally I feel like this means cancer treatment will follow me for so much longer.


  • sarah_sunflower
    sarah_sunflower Member Posts: 47
    edited March 2016

    Paulinek, yay! last chemo for you too. Hope your surgery goes smooth and well.

    I did a lumpectomy as well, so I will be on rads after chemo. I have read that recon would be difficult after the breast is given rads. So I have some worries about this, I worry if there is a recurrence and have to go for a mastectomy, then the option to do a recon might not be a choice.

    MissBee, My doc recommends I take Tamoxifen for 5-10 years as well. I might be given a break in between to try for a baby, since I don't have any kids yet. After chemo and rads, popping a pill everyday is a blessing if it helps to keep the cancer away. MissBee you are strong and brave and persistent, we have all come this far, we will make it to the end of the line, maybe not with much grace hahaa and instead with nausea, diarrhoea, pain, fear, and staying up at night worrying, but somehow we will all get there. We are warriors!

  • MissBee123
    MissBee123 Member Posts: 186
    edited March 2016

    sarah, yes my doctor also talked about being able to come off to try and become pregnant, but after taking it for at least two years. For me, that means three years from now, so I would be 35. With no guarantees that we even could get pregnant, we've decided to close that door. As of this week we're officially pursuing adoption and, for us, it feels like the best choice. I've always wanted to adopt and was only considering pregnancy for my husband, but he's been clear he is fine with adoption only. Planning to start a family while undergoing cancer treatment certainly ads another layer of challenge, doesn't it? Because gee, otherwise it might be boring

  • sarah_sunflower
    sarah_sunflower Member Posts: 47
    edited March 2016

    MissBee, heehee love that we can maintain a good sense of humour through this. Hope all goes well with the adoption. You are about the same age as me, I'm 33. I was told I could get off Tamoxifen in about two years too. I think they are recommending 10years because of our age, they say cancer in younger women are more aggressive.

  • Veronica31
    Veronica31 Member Posts: 97
    edited March 2016

    I'm also in the same boat! We pushed chemo back so I could do IVF and save some eggs. I'll be 34 when I can try, but I also have polycystic ovarian syndrome so it will be a little harder. I was exactly the same way. I always wanted to adopt and was open to kids for my fiance. So if it doesn't work out, I'm totally okay with adopting. I figure, whatever way I'm meant to have kids, I'll have kids : )

  • Planet
    Planet Member Posts: 42
    edited March 2016

    Miss Bee and Sarah: I'm also looking at 10 years of Tamoxifen and I have a friend who was in her forties when diagnosed whose doctor told her she'll be taking it longer than 10 years-likely the rest of her life-which she has every right to believe will be a long one now that she has past that 5 year point. Yay!! She reports that the worse thing is her lack of libido.

  • Valstim52
    Valstim52 Member Posts: 1,324
    edited March 2016

    Fightergirl: I''m on dose dense Taxol, due to my IBC and other issues. I have several in my hospital group on weekly and dose dense Taxol that experience the bone and muscle pain for a few days.

    My Onc recommended the same b6. But only 100 mg. And no glutamine. So I'm doing that and claritan as I get the neulasta shot.

    From all I've seen on the other thread the bone aches do subside after a few days. Hope so. My muscle relaxant really helped.


    Only 3 to go. Woot to all that are holding on and not having SE's.

  • Paxton29
    Paxton29 Member Posts: 221
    edited March 2016

    How can Tamoxifen lower my already barely-there libido? Gee, my husband will be thrilled.

  • songbird72
    songbird72 Member Posts: 68
    edited March 2016

    Good morning beautiful ladies. I'm just so proud of all of us for fighting through this disease and for facing it with grace and humor. Not always easy but your posts are always so inspiring to me.

    I'm day three post dose-dense Taxol (my first one). So far I'm doing ok but I took my last steroid pill last night so we will see how today and tomorrow go.

    Is anyone else starting to have hot flashes? My period is all whacked out and my onco thought that was causing the flashes. They don't last very long and so far I have been at home so I strip off whatever I need to cool down--I'm hoping it doesn't catch me out sometime!

    I too am worried about Tamoxifen and my libido. I haven't really even discussed it with my dr yet because he's still focused on getting me through the chemo and the rads.

    I hope everyone has a blessed day with few SE's!!

  • Cathytoo
    Cathytoo Member Posts: 667
    edited March 2016

    Neulasta pain...Day 4 of 3rd TC infusion and Neulasta patch. Have pain in my thighs like muscle bruising. Feels like it might be black and blue, but the skin looks normal. At first I thought I might have bumped into something, but it's probably from the Neulasta. Anyone experience this. Also...SOOO TIRED

  • EmilyJane7505
    EmilyJane7505 Member Posts: 25
    edited March 2016

    So, I keep hearing ads for the upcoming Avon Walk to Cure Breast Cancer in our area - Boston. The commercials claim that they "put food on the table for breast cancer patients and their families". However, it just concerns me that as a breast cancer patient that consulted with two of the major breast cancer centers in Boston, that this service was never even mentioned. I wouldn't even know where to go to sign up for it... there doesn't appear to even be a link from their foundation home page. Has anyone been offered this service or a way to sign up?

    Em

  • LovesToFly
    LovesToFly Member Posts: 1,133
    edited March 2016

    good morning everybody. I'm on day three after my first docetaxel. No steroids and I'm definitely feeling it. So tired after that steroid high! My upper body is a little bit achy and my hips too, but nothing horrible. My hands were very dry and achy last night, I could barely wash them, so I covered them with cream before going to bed and they feel much better this morning.

    I am also worried about tamoxifen, and my libido ( and weight gain), but trying not to focus on it too much yet. I still have to get through chemo then rads.

  • buttaflydiva
    buttaflydiva Member Posts: 88
    edited March 2016

    My counts are normal so I'm in the chair waiting on my last AC treatment. I'm so thrilled to have completed one milestone. Will move on to taxol, herceptin and perjeta. I also have to take an easy estrogen blocker for 10 years. But like I keep hearing its a good thing that will keep hormone related cancers from reoccurring


  • Cathytoo
    Cathytoo Member Posts: 667
    edited March 2016

    Hang in there everyone!

  • EmilyJane7505
    EmilyJane7505 Member Posts: 25
    edited March 2016

    Anyone have really sore, cracking and peeling finger tips? What do you do to alleviate it?

    Just had my first Taxol treatment yesterday - still high on the steroids and could barely sleep last night but enjoying the no nausea so far. From previous posts, sounds like a crash is coming this weekend...

    Em

  • MissBee123
    MissBee123 Member Posts: 186
    edited March 2016

    GUYS! Why didn't you tell me liquid Benadryl is so fantastic? I've just has it administered and am high as a kite! I feel loopy and like I'm hanging upside down! It's also taken me 20 minutes type this up because my coordination isso mesed up.Wooo!

  • Maya15
    Maya15 Member Posts: 323
    edited March 2016

    Hi all,

    Am in the chair waiting for blood work before second Taxol/Herceptin.

    Cathytoo: I had the same experience with bruising like pain from the Neulasta. Felt bruised every time someone squeezed my arm or cat climbed on top of me. It goes away after we stop taking the Neulasta. For me it's much better since I don't have Neulasta with Taxol.

    Songbird72: I started getting hot flashes after the third dose of AC. Period stopped after first dose of AC. Oncologist said it's definitely a result of the chemo. I get the hot flashes every 20 mins or so night and day, so I'm getting used to throwing the covers off and on all night. I am told that since I am young (36yo) I have a one in two chance the menopause will reverse sometime in the future after the end of chemo. If you're older it's more likely to be permanent

  • Frill
    Frill Member Posts: 311
    edited March 2016

    I did some research for one of the nurses here on diabetic neuropathy and while I was at it, on chemo induced neuropathy. I came across the same thing on the B vitamins. I take B vitamins since way before chemo, then added the Alpha Lipoeic Acid when I heard that would help. The studies are less conclusive re chemo neuropathy with ALA than diabetes, but all I can say is - no neuropathy here.

    Someone was talking about muscle spasms....my right eye twitches like a...well, a lot. Generally that starts for me when I'm super stressed, so I figured that was it. I wonder if it's the Taxol. I had more muscle aches in the beginning with Taxol, but they leveled off. I have those kind of aches with weather changes, though, so it's not really anything out of the ordinary for me.

    Another fun SE, and I guess my only real one, is that the physical therapists here are noticing lymphedema/swelling in taxol patients who've had lymph nodes removed. I have a fat fist that will not go down despite absolutely perfect compliance.

    I see my MO today and have my acidophilis, liver cleanse, and ALA with me so he can veto or not (lol).

    Jill: I'm so against tamoxifen, I don't even want to take it. Weight gain, sex crap, there just doesn't seem to be enough of a benefit. Isn't all this chemo and radiation ENOUGH? But like you, I'm just trying to stay on the next thing and not worry about that yet.

  • Frill
    Frill Member Posts: 311
    edited March 2016

    And now I just checked my online schedule - my hospital is transitioning to a new system and everything is wonky right now. My chemo is canceled for today?!

    Not cool at all.

    My guess is because my white blood cells have dropped to 2.7 - and that was a week ago. But it came off the schedule today. I don't really even know how "bad" that is, just that it's below normal.

    My vote - keep going, folks. I feel fine. The gash on my finger - healing. I do NOT want to skip another week. If y'all hear some screaming in the background around 1pm, that will be me yelling at my MO. :/

  • jensgotthis
    jensgotthis Member Posts: 937
    edited March 2016

    Frill - my electronic health system accidentally canceled a few of my seasons. I would always call and the told me to still come on in. Might be worth a call

  • Wendiwithani
    Wendiwithani Member Posts: 108
    edited March 2016

    Hi, ladies! :) I have been super busy at work and missing catching up with everyone tremendously!

    MissBee - thanks for the laugh! Benadryl administered through my IV makes me feel the same way. I love it! ;)

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