waiting for CT scan results is the scariest part for me.
I think I can just deal with having a second primary in the opposite breast as last time. This time it is ILC ~2.4 cm according to US results. But as was the case last time, 4 years ago, the scariest thing is waiting to find out if there has been spread to bones, lungs and liver. Tomorrow I will be having CT scan of chest, abdo and pelvic area. Do others find this very scary.
Gerri
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Hi Gerri, I think everyone finds all of this scary, so u'r really not alone. To this day I hate going to my Drs. app'ts. And when they even ask questions I hate to answer, but having all the tests is just for them to make sure, so just think of it as it doesn't mean anything for now, they just need to do this. Good Luck
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I am actually very happy to have scans and they dont make me nervous or upset..even if im being watched for something. To me, I am one of those people who can better deal with the known than unknown.
Praying all is good with yours.
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I still get freaked for simple annual wellness exams, never mind onco visits.
I think it is normal to think our bodies have failed us once, they may do so again.
Good luck.
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Yes - this was the absolute worst for me. When I had my pet/ct scan I thought I hit rock bottom. All of it is crappy of course, but the scan to see if it spread was awful. Not the scan itself - just waiting for the results. Good luck with your scan and I hope it all comes back clear.
Nancy
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Yes. I hate worrying about results of scans. Hope all goes well. Keep us posted.
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I agree scans are very scary. I have my first ultrasound with my bs since my double mastectomy in June coming up in three weeks, and I'm very nervous. I also have a ct scan in April due to two spots on my lung. Unfortunately, it's all part of the journey we all must go through. As scary and nerve racking asscans are, at least we are being watched, and if something changes it can be dealt with sooner rather than later. Sending good luck and thoughts your way🤗
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Got the results of my CT scan. All clear . Thanks for your support.
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Happy for gerrib's good news - there is a term for the worries she describes: "scanxiety"!
Now her focus will be to take care of that nasty ILC and, due to bilateral disease (did it show up while on tamoxifen?) consider genetic testing.
MRI also might be good at this point in order to get an additional size assessment of the lesion. Mine appeared to 'grow' each time another imaging was done, due to the way those cells arrange themselves...
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Ah Camillegal, so glad you said that you too are afraid to answer questions. I'm the same way!
I put a big smile on my face and tell them how great I'm doing. Though if something serious is going on the fear of not nipping it in the bud overrides and I will speak up.
Something always gets you. One time I mentioned typical AI induced joint pain. Mentioned I felt it in my hip, off handly, hey it's the AI right? Onc stops. Looks at me. I think we need a bone scan just in case. My PTSD kicks in and I can barely control my emotions, let alone the shivering that usually starts. It takes me a day or so to recover from the intial jolt of fear.
Bone scan was fine.
Last appt. I went in, feeling good. Onc was happy with the physical exam. Go home all happy and looking forward to making some near future plans.....then the phone rings. It's the cancer center, heart races, palms sweat. I answer thusly, "Dr. why are you calling me this morning?" Voice shaking. "Your liver levels are still too elevated, I want you to have a CT scan. Don't worry", "This is just to be safe it's probably because of the chemo, your liver is inflamed". I'm fighting back tears, I'm shaking, my stomach cramps. My Onc of course notices my shaking voice, comments on it and I tell him "this is me post cancer, I'm struggling with fear of recurrence".
I know he is doing his job, he is protecting me and watching over me. My logical brain knows this. Yet the emotional reaction, the fear doesn't obey logic. It's quickly triggered and escalates to the point of being temporarily disabling as it was two days ago.
I wish I could 'logic' my way out of the fear, but fear isn't logical, it's black and white. It says "you are being attacked by a monster again! fight or flight", but there's nothing to fight, if only I could take a gun, a club and beat cancer to death myself(!!) but no, and no where to run, it's inside you.
I struggle coping with my new reality. The adult version of things that go bump in the night. I've reached out for help from oncology trained counselors. I hope they can help. This last melt down I broke down so much I was physically ill and took an Ativan. Haven't needed one since I finished chemo. This tells me my fear is getting worse, though I expected after time it would lessen.
American Cancer Society has an 800 number that I've used a time or two when in emotional crisis. I've found them to be helpful. They can also help find an oncology trained counselor in your area. I hope this helps others - Call: 1-800-227-2345
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vlnrph, if memory serves the 'scananxiety' is usually referred to as "fear of recurrence". It also can be classified as a type of PTSD.
Though we don't face the same type of horrors and assaults as our brave service members in war, when cancer strikes it is a traumatic attack. Cancer maims and kills people we have known and loved. Then it attacks us, putting our body and our lives in danger. So I've had several counselors tell me it's in the same class of fear/anxiety as PTSD.
In my 'lay person' knowledge there's anxiety and fear that is general, in other words you have it day to day almost every day, that niggling worry that doesn't quite go away. Wondering if that pain in your shoulder means something. Then there is anxiety and fear that is triggered and is more acute and sudden. In the case of many vets with PTSD, the sound of fireworks will trigger an episode. For some cancer patients the trigger is an abnormality that is found and requires further testing which triggers a panic attack, severe anxiety and fear.
In my case I'm pretty good managing day to day. My problem is more 'trigger' oriented. I go from being pretty much hunky dory to overcome with fear. Some people get this going to their oncologists office. I sometimes get woozy stepping off the elevator on the floor which my Onc's office is located. Sometimes things trigger and I have to think about what the connection is as it's not clear at first.
That's my basic understanding as explained to me by a counselor. I hope that understanding our fear will help us cope better.
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Glad to hear it gerrib!!!! DoggieBytes I get the same panicked feeling with every appointment where I feel light headed and tears stream down my face uncontrollably. My husband, Doctor, and others think I just need to "keep positive" and not worry so much easier said than done. Just know that you are not alone in these feelings. Take care
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Hi CJS47.
Sometimes I get a little lightheaded as I am walking into the door of the cancer care center. I too get sick of the 'stay positive' blah blah blah.
The way I describe it to people who don't get it is, it is like being in an accident. After the accident you are afraid to drive, or go through a green light if you were hit by someone running a red. Most people can relate to having been in a car accident, or bike accident, falling off a horse is another good example. Their fear is triggered and it's almost like autonomic response. Being placed in situations that remind them of their accident triggers a fearful response. So if your husband has had one of those experiences perhaps you can ask why he isn't just 'being positive' to help him understand.
I have a liver scan scheduled next week, Tuesday.
Had a bone scan and normal screening colonoscopy too before the end of the year. I managed my anxiety pretty well with those tests/scans. Results were clear. I was a bit anxious but somehow I also had a sense that it was going to be o.k. and I was doing the right thing getting these tests.
This liver scan has me rattled though. When my Doc called and told me it almost felt like I was having a seizure, even though he said it's most likely due to chemo. He's a straight shooter too, so if he didn't think that he wouldn't say it. Yet every muscle in my body tensed to the point my jaw muscles were sore. I could barely function that day I was so gripped with fear. Full blown panic attack. I'm not sure why the need for this particular scan has thrown me for such a loop, but it has. I'm struggling with my fear and I find myself wishing for the life I had before cancer. I know that's not possible. So I'm going to reach out for help with counseling to find ways to cope with my new reality. I think it's this roller coaster ride. Seems like just when I'm feeling good, the worry of recurrence is subsiding, something new crops up. I'm getting tired.
All of this is on top of all the other worries we have in life, finances, work, family.....
Ahhh life isn't easy. Sorry for the philosophical ramble.
One thing I try to remind myself is courage is not the absence of fear, rather it is overcoming the fear and doing what needs to be done.
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Doggybites,
I get being tired of the roller coaster. I want off for awhile!!!! I'm already not sleeping and am a bundle of nerves due to my onc checkup on the 23rd and bs checkup on the 24th, plus chest ct scan in April. I keep hearing how all of this gets easier with time, but I'm not there yet. I hope all goes well with your liver scan on Tuesday. Keep us posted. Your in my thoughts and thank you for your support and understanding🤗 Fingers crossed for both of us
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Cjs47,
I see by your sig you've been through a lot, just 6 months or so behind me.
Thank you for your kind words and here's to getting to that place where it gets easier and less scary!
I will update on results.
(((HUGS)))
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Doggybites,
Easier and less scary sounds great! I bought a plaque that has a saying on it that I truly believe since diagnosis. It says, "You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have!" Good luck and hugs back to you
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CJS47 Good news, my CT scan was clear.
My liver is just showing the wear and tear of the chemo. I need to baby it by staying away from alcohol, nsaids like tylenol and other things which may be liver-unfriendly. In case anyone stumbles on this thread in a search, I learned from a friend of mine (2 degrees in biology/med school) chemo has a 'half life' of sorts in our system. It stores up a bit in tissue, organs, muscles and 'leeches' out over time. So even though I'm a year out from my last chemo my liver has still been contending with those chemo drugs for a long time, albeit much less over time. After awhile the liver shows signs of that wear and tear. So for anyone worried about liver mets, keep this in mind while you wait for you scans too.
While I was in the waiting room for my scan the lady who checked me in happened to be a BC survivor too. She came out and gave me a hug as I did have a few tears (the wait was long an ER patient needed an emergency CT which I understand but the stress was just getting to me). She told me that a friend of hers who had throat cancer a few years ago said, cancer is not a sprint, it's a marathon. This is so true.
I am going to look into an oncology counselor, American Cancer society referred me to some in my area. I would like to learn how to cope better with the fear. This last go-round of fear was so bad I was completely debilitated for a day and am still exhausted.
Whew! For now at least.
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Doggybites,
I'm sooooo happy for you!!!👍🏻🤗. I've been considering a counselor myself. Can't take the fear and its effects any longer. Go celebrate and relax!! Hug
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To all,
Scans suck. Post scans sucks even more when you have to wait 4 days to hear if the IDC (somehow left behind from your bilateral Mastectomy, 2013, which had been confused for a stitch left behind from that surgery, causing a weird little sunken surface shriveling on the nice clean scar line, which through plastic surgeons and oncologists has been incautiously dismissed) may now be surging throughout your body or may simply be contained to it's area. My head has headaches, my legs are irritated with nerves running maniacally down them, my stomach is tight, slight feeling of nausea and the constant worry of loss and last minute organization of my life flashes forward. Anxiety? The cancer flowing throughout? Who knows. Trying to stay strong, refusing the weak, trying to protect the grief of friends and family--all zapping my energy. I can deal with a radical surgery, skin grafting, chemo and/or rads. But the possibility of cancer raging through my body and the finality of it all is too much now. Take deep breathes? Yoga? Tried it. My brain is still stronger and more seductive of the reality of the situation. Any suggestions? I've got 2.5 days to go. Thanks.
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What does it mean when you have hip pain intermittently and knee pain is that from Aromidix or cancer spread to bone?
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The AIs are notorious for causing joint pain. If it is intermittent then it's most likely due to the meds or inflammation. If it is concerning, by all means, call your MO this week
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