Starting Chemo March 2016

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  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited February 2016

    Thanks for the info on nail care. My MO is concerned about increased neuropathy on Taxotere (I had Taxol before and have two small spots of continued neuropathy, one of the tip of my left thumb and the other on the side of my right thumb. Weird). My infusion center offers the ice mitts to keep your hands cold; I'm thinking about getting ice packets to set the bottom of my feet on to hopefully help there. Anyone have any other ideas?

  • badger
    badger Member Posts: 34,614
    edited February 2016

    hi all, popping in from six years out with love and encouragement. Did six rounds of TC chemo, three weeks apart, Mar-Jun 2010. Had long hair that I donated to Locks of Love before starting chemo. Maybe an idea for the ladies with children? Salon did for free and stylist gave me a really cute bob. Kept that until 14 days after first infusion, when I started shedding. I remember walking in a brisk Spring breeze and hair floating off my head like dandelion fluff. Got it buzzed (not shaved) the next day. Never went completely bald, my head was covered in peach fuzz like a newborn baby.

    Went commando everywhere except on walks when I wore a baseball cap to avoid sunburn. Had hair back by Labor Day and have kept it short as it's easy-care and flattering.

    You've gotten some great advice so I'll add just a couple things. One is to wear pants that are easy to pull up and down for when you have infusions and need to pee. I was able to walk to the bathroom with an IV pole and was glad of sweatpants. Two is if you lose all your body hair including public hair, it's cool for a short time then you realize the function of that hair. Nose hair keeps you from dripping (bring tissues) and pubic hair directs the flow of pee downward (instead of sideways).

    Wishing you the best and few SEs! ♥

  • DizzParkMom
    DizzParkMom Member Posts: 316
    edited February 2016

    Popping in from April 2015. I'm very sorry that any of you have to be here, but glad that you'll have this group to support you along the way. Some of you will have an easier time of it than others in terms of side effects, but you'll all be able to help and support each other on this unfortunate detour.

    At home, I was very comfortable without anything on my head. My 11 year old was a little unnerved by it at first, but he came around and eventually told me he didn't remember what my pre-gobbledy gook hair looked like. Gobbledy gook was what he called the whole cancer ordeal. For those of you with sensitive kids like mine...know that it's rough, but it does get better. They do struggle, but they do also adapt over time.

    I bought an inexpensive wig online. I wasn't sure I was going to like wearing a wig and didn't want to spend a lot (even if insurance would reimburse) until I knew for sure. When it came, I found it way fluffier then it looked on-line and was very hard to style. Soon after I got it, I wore it to take DS to the dentist. I didn't want to get into a conversation with them about cancer in front of DS. I also wore it a couple months later when we took DS to his first rock concert. I used a clip and headband to make it look a little more 'normal'. Other than those 2 times, I never bothered with the wig or wished that I had another one. I wore either a baseball cap or a Buff. I ordered a couple of official Buffs that had UV protection. They are very comfortable and easy to wear. They were great for the gym too.

    The above tip about sweatpants is a great one. I also wore a moisture wicking shirt. Some of the pre-meds and treatments can make you sweat a bit during and after treatment. Others may give you a chill, so bring a sweater too. I iced my hands and feet during taxotere and carboplatin infusion and also sucked on ice chips. I used an actual bucket of ice for my feet (a little awkward) and painful at times, but I now have zero neuropathy in my feet. I held onto bags of ice in order to ice my fingers. It wasn't as cold and I would often put the bags down (to eat, use my phone, hold a book)...needless to say, I have a little lingering neuropathy in my fingers, but it's getting better bit by bit. The ice chips were supposed to help prevent stomatitis. Sometimes it works, for me, it didn't. Or maybe it would have been worse.

    Make sure to drink tons of water before and during infusion. I had an infusion nurse tell me I would know if I was drinking enough water if I spent more time walking back and forth to the bathroom than I did in the infusion chair. A slight exaggeration, but very important to hydrate. Those of you getting Adriamyacin...it's called the Red Devil. It goes in red and comes out red. The more hydrated you are, the faster your urine returns to it's normal color. One time I was so well hydrated that the red was gone before I even finished my cytoxan. Also, follow any advice you get about how it's easier to stay head of nausea than it is to get ahead of nausea. Totally true!

    About nail polish...I used the dark color polish. My MO told me it was okay to keep them dark unless I started having nail problems. I also kept them filed short. I replaced the dark (purple) polish once a week, used a protein strengthener as an undercoat, and used a diamond strength top coat. I had one small spot on my big toe that looked like it was going to start lifting, but it never did.


  • isnogard
    isnogard Member Posts: 34
    edited February 2016

    I start chemo on March 1st. Getting port installed today. A bit nervous about the port. About how it will affect the artery its in and if you can feel it throughout. If it will affect my daily activities. Never been in "twilight" so I hope it's not bad. Anyway, starting a new unknown journey......

  • Logang
    Logang Member Posts: 421
    edited February 2016

    Hello to everyone. Just got my oncotype results from my surgeon the other day and was shocked with my result of 57! Definitely need chemo. I would imagine I will be starting this month. I will get all my details this Wednesday when I see my MO again.

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited February 2016

    Welcome isnogard and Logang - we're both sorry and glad that you're here.


    isnogard, I can't feel the port tubing in my artery, but it's still a little weird to me. I think I tend to subconsciously protect that side of my neck and shoulders because of it.

    Logang, j remember seeing your post about your Oncotype score. Mine last time was 42, which was pretty high (there was someone else around then with one in the 60s). My MO told me it meant chemo was going to be very effective - but it was still a little scary to be so special. What is your MO telling you about your score?
  • Logang
    Logang Member Posts: 421
    edited February 2016

    I haven't seen my MO since getting the results. I see her on Wednesday. I will let you know what she says about it.

  • azrescue
    azrescue Member Posts: 116
    edited February 2016

    I keep seeing posts with Oncotype scores. Is this something that I should be asking my MO about? I haven't had one.

  • Jonsey22
    Jonsey22 Member Posts: 100
    edited February 2016

    Oncotype is a test that gives you a number from 0 to 100 that indicates the chance of recurrence. It is given mostly to early stage cancer patients with no node involvement. The higher the number, the higher the chance of recurrence. It is used to help make decisions about whether or not early stage cancer patients will benefit from chemo. I read somewhere that about 50% of those tested have a low Oncotype score (maybe chemo wouldn't be as much of a benefit). About 25% have intermediate and 25% have high scores (these are approximate). There is an article at http://www.breastcancer.org/symptoms/testing/types... that might help you determine if it would be of benefit to you.


  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited February 2016

    My port was manageable but never comfortable.

  • azrescue
    azrescue Member Posts: 116
    edited February 2016

    Thank You Jonsey

  • azrescue
    azrescue Member Posts: 116
    edited February 2016

    So have a quick question ...

    I already cut my hair short (pixie cut) but I was going to color it today ... Pink! :) (not because of the whole pink ribbon but because it's my 5 yo daughters favorite color)

    So here is the question ... I am having my port placement on Monday & Chemo Wednesday ... is there anything about hair dye that could interact with any of the meds??? I don't want to do anything that will upset the regimen.

    Thanks!


  • isnogard
    isnogard Member Posts: 34
    edited February 2016

    So Tuesday is my first chemo infusion. How long does it take? What should I bring? I hear ice packs for fingers and toes. Does it burn? Can you feel it? Can I drive home..... :)

  • NancyHB
    NancyHB Member Posts: 1,512
    edited February 2016

    Stephanie, I got the pixie cut yesterday, too, and my daughter is coming to color my hair tomorrow (blue/purple/green - I said anything but pink!) :-) I don't think there's anything to worry about in the hair dye, but I probably won't let her bleach it first (that could burn the scalp). I hope you and your daughter have fun.

    isnogard, you and I are scheduled to start this nasty treatment together on the same day. I'll be "in your pocket", or with you in spirit and sending support thoughts, during the day. My appointment is scheduled 2.5 hours. My oncologist says it'll take about that long for the infusion. I wear a shirt with a button front or one that can be pulled down (like a low-neck t-shirt) so the nurse can acccess the port. My center offers heated blankets but I prefer to bring my own, or anything else that will help you feel comfortable (slippers, a pillow, etc.) You can usually bring snacks or meals if you want, but they may have some available too.

    I think my center offers the cooling mittens for hands, but I'm bringing refreezable ice packs to stuff in some socks for my feet (I really want to avoid neuropathy if possible).

    You cannot feel the chemo being administered. It doesn't burn or sting. The worst part for me is the pre-chemo Heparin flush, which briefly gives me a salty/metallic taste. I don't know what kind of chemo you are having, but some of the pre-meds for Taxol can include Benadryl which can make you a little sleepy, but no more than if you took an allergy pill. In general driving afterwards shouldn't be an issue at all - in fact I went out to lunch and shopping after each of my infusions because the steroids gave me so much energy.

    I'll keep you in my thoughts on Monday for your port placement, and on Tuesday for your first treatment. Good luck!

  • BKGameGirl
    BKGameGirl Member Posts: 38
    edited February 2016

    Just an update: My port is IN, it feels surprisingly fine and it doesn't stick out very far. I'm looking forward to taking yoga and some physical therapy at a local center for cancer support to learn how to stretch and move without protecting that area too much. I had it placed 2/25 in the afternoon under general anesthesia and it worked out just fine. I have a glued incision which actually looks very nice -- same surgeon who will eventually perform my mastectomy and I was comfortable with the experience.

    I had a 2-hour-long personalized chemotherapy class with a physician's assistant from my medical oncologists office on Friday. It was a lot of information, but I did like that it was tailored to my specific regimen and their own experiences with patients with my health status. We are definitely doing some shopping this weekend for various things and amazon prime delivery is also in full force. I feel as ready as I can be. Day 1 on Friday 3/4 is going to take about 5 hours because they're going to drip everything in very slowly. I have the cold packs on order along with extras.

    I have a wig appointment on Thursday to check out that angle and see how I feel about that. I'm trying to get an appointment with an attorney as well to finalize some open-ended items around finances and insurance.

    It's all starting, I find that if I keep myself busy accomplishing tasks AND if I go to bed early rather than sitting up late and starting to feel tired and sad that it is better so far. I am trying not to look too far into the future for cumulative side effects and I am finding that if I go looking for bad information on the internet that I will find it...so, I'm being very careful about what I ingest mentally right now as I get started. Too much at stake on being able to get out of bed in a few weeks' time - it needs to be all about me at the moment. I also worked for 2 hours today (a Saturday) and I plan to keep on remaining very relevant at work and to keep myself looking forward.

    Good luck everybody who is starting next week, I am thinking of each and every one of you who are on this journey.

  • carjeanne3
    carjeanne3 Member Posts: 12
    edited February 2016

    I am going to receive chemo March 11th 2016 and will have port put in March 9th I did not have the onco. Test but had k67 with a score of 97 out of 100 . I would recommend asking your oncologist if you have had the k67 and what your score is. It helped me make an informed decision about getting chemo. I wish you the best.



  • carjeanne3
    carjeanne3 Member Posts: 12
    edited February 2016

    hi ! My name is Carla I'm 45 and was diagnosed with multi focal IDC December 11,th 2015. I will be getting 4 rounds of chemo every 3 weeks. I had a k67 score of 97. My oncologist felt this was the best course of treatment due to the high grade and score. I get a port put in March 9th 2016 . I am nervous because I had a severe MRSA infection in my left drain and was hospitalized. They had to remove my expander and haven't yet replaced it due to me healing after removal. My concerns are infection and hair loss. I would love any input .


  • Melgirl
    Melgirl Member Posts: 165
    edited February 2016

    I had my port placed on Thursday under conscious sedation. The nurse saw how much pain I was in from transferring from the stretcher to the radiology bed (from my expanders) so she immediately medicated me. I asked her if she would come home with me!!

    My CT and bone scan are tomorrow. Does anyone remember how long the bone scan took? I read 45 min but they told us 4-5 hours. I know I have to drink a concoction and then wait several hours. I wonder if that's where the 4-5 hours is coming from?

  • BKGameGirl
    BKGameGirl Member Posts: 38
    edited February 2016

    Bone scan for me:

    1. Quick injection of dye

    2. Instructions to drink water

    3. Come back 3 hours later (time lets the dye get to bones)

    4. Lie on a table, no poking, no noise, just a warm blanket while a little xray thing moves above me, slowly and silently. Breathe normally. 20 minutes. I took a nap. It was actually very nice.

    I hope this is helpful.

    For my future tests, I plan to call a few people to ask what the real deal is for the exact location I'm going - there are enough procedure differences that I am now looking for specifics. I found that the bone scan was the only one with no surprises. I am starting to hate surprises.

  • Melgirl
    Melgirl Member Posts: 165
    edited February 2016

    Thanks BK. Yes surprises suck! My chest hurts so bad when I lay flat....not looking forward to it!

    Melissa

  • HolaSandy
    HolaSandy Member Posts: 85
    edited February 2016

    I'm definitely starting to feel nervous. I have my MRI on Tuesday and CT and Bone Scan on Thursday. I find that every ache or pain or anything I question if it's invading another part of my body. Not knowing is awful.Does anyone know on average how long it takes to get results from these tests?

  • Melgirl
    Melgirl Member Posts: 165
    edited February 2016

    Unfortunately I think it all depends on your doc and/or nurse. A few days after my MRI I hadn't heard so I started calling them.

  • BKGameGirl
    BKGameGirl Member Posts: 38
    edited February 2016

    Do you have a "point person" nurse? I've made a point of asking, "who's driving the bus here at this point?" so that I keep the accountability and lines of communication open between the surgeon and the medical oncologist. I am expecting to be calling that person with questions and generally bothering them.

    For my scans, here is what occurred:

    -- the practitioners administering the exam told me when the scan would be read by the radiologist and then accordingly when my doctor (s ) would receive the report. I also asked about how to get copies for myself as a reminder for my own records.

    -- in every case, the reading by the radiologist was done within 1 business day

    -- I discovered that there is a cohort that my doctors call, "the tumor board," where they discuss results and the next step or conclusion for treatment based on the readings. This made me see that there is an entire team looking at me and my results. Felt better about that. Results are not "languishing" somewhere where no one cares. That felt better even if it didn't speed things up.

    -- I had appointments that lined up nicely with that timeline to hear results within 48 hours. I think it was a benefit (now, after the fact) to hear the entire story and not just a quick, "scans are clear," because they were looking at how the results informed decisions about future treatment -- it educated me for the process.

    -- the waiting was the longest 48 hours of my life almost without exception

    -- I do not think I'll have patience to wait longer than 48 hours in the future. Let's see how strong I am.

  • HolaSandy
    HolaSandy Member Posts: 85
    edited February 2016

    Ok thanks for info! I do have a nurse assigned to me so if I don't hear within a couple days after these appointments I will just check in with her. I'm normally a very patient person, but this is just obviously such a different situation than anything I've had to deal with before.

  • Loretta_J
    Loretta_J Member Posts: 67
    edited February 2016

    Welcome to all you ladies who are starting your treatments this month.  I will be keeping you in my thoughts and prayers as we travel this journey together.  I am sure we will be on a first name basis before our journey ends somewhere down the road.

    I met with my principle Medical Oncologist (MO) last Thursday and will meet with a second one from University of New Mexico Cancer Center on March 1 for a second opinion about my treatment plan and meds being used.  

    I have a BRCA2 gene mutation and am HER2 positive - the cancer is Stage 3 and my KI67 was 85. Multiple lymph node involvement as well as muscle infiltration in my arm. 2014 & 2015 mammograms were clear.

    The treatment plan is to do 3 rounds of Herceptin & Perjeta along with Taxotere & Carboplatin administered 3 weeks apart.  At the end of that 9 week period I will have another MRI that will hopefully show that the cancer is shrinking and not continuing to grow.  If it is shrinking then I will have 3 more rounds, then have Bilateral Mastectomy (BMX) and ovarian/tubal surgery.  If it is not shrinking, I will have the surgery at the end of the first 3 rounds of treatment, followed by more chemo and radiation.

    I also have to manage my Type 1 diabetes during the chemo.  The big challenge will be the steroids that I will take before and 3 days after each treatment.  Thankfully I am on a pump and can change my insulin rate to try and match the highs that are expected.  The challenge will be to keep it from dropping too low when the steroids start tapering off. 

    I am sorry that any of you have to be here, but want you know that I am also here to offer encouragement and you can vent on here anytime or to me personally.  I will listen and encourage you so you don't have to vent to your loved ones since they are trying to cope with your diagnosis also.  My hubby is great to do anything for me until I start whining then I see he is also stressed by this.  So it is great to get to know some new friends.

    Loretta

     




  • Jonsey22
    Jonsey22 Member Posts: 100
    edited February 2016

    Wow, I am beside myself. I have had to wait so long for my results from all these tests (pelvic ultrasound, CT scan, blood work, bone scan). I have an appointment tomorrow morning and there is a blizzard here. The highways are closed and my appointment is at 9:45. I don't think I can stand to wait any longer. It has been since Feb. 10th that I have waited to see my MO again. Why does everything have to be so difficult! I am worried, tomorrow I am 47 days post surgery. I have read that chemo should start within 60 days (ideally 30). I don't think I can keep my sanity if I have to wait a few more days. Then I still have to go through training and maybe a port placement. I feel so frustrated!

  • isnogard
    isnogard Member Posts: 34
    edited February 2016

    HolaSandy, the MRI results don't take long but you need to keep up with communication and let them know you want the results ASAP. Nobody went over the scans with me until I asked. The actual procedure is 45 min and loud. But, if you relax and think of other things it'll go by fast. Don't know anything about bone scans. If you get a PET scan that's super easy. I felt the same way with pains all over and that it might be spreading. Just take one day at a time and one scan at a time. That's all you can do for now. :))

  • isnogard
    isnogard Member Posts: 34
    edited February 2016

    Jonsey22....I was diagnosed on January 25,2016. It wasn't until February 10th that I saw a surgeon to go over what the heck was going on. After that everything was super fast. My surgeon scheduled all my scans (MRI, another ultrasound for lymph nodes, PET scan) for STAT! Then I saw my oncologist and a genetics doctor the next week and was scheduled for a heart test and and port placement. All this within a two week timeframe. I had to keep on them constantly with questions and concerns so they moved along fast. Keep bugging them no matter what. I also start chemo on March 1st. Know how you feel through and through. Felt like everything was moving slow there for a minute. Hang in there. Keep calling. :))

  • Jonsey22
    Jonsey22 Member Posts: 100
    edited February 2016

    Made it to MO today after all. Roads were fine. Tests were all good except low iron and some small lesions (not cancer) on liver. They will do an MRI to figure out what they are (fatty deposits, vein abnormalities etc). All clear other than that which is a relief. MRI and echo can wait till they are available and chemo can go ahead. Now some central agency has to check what the MO decided as a safety/backup measure and then we start. Should be next week I think. They said they will do it through IV and if I have problems, they will put in a pick? Never heard of this. She said they don't do a port for 4 rounds.

    2 questions- has anyone else had small lesions show up on liver CT?

    2) has anyone heard of a pick

  • BKGameGirl
    BKGameGirl Member Posts: 38
    edited February 2016

    Jonsey-- look up "PICC" line. Sounds like a variety of intravenous delivery. I don't know the difference between a port and a picc.

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