would a 3D Mammogram have caught this? And is it caused by HRT?

warriorwannabe
warriorwannabe Member Posts: 66

Im beside myself. Just diagnosed this week. I have a long history of issues and biopsies, and BC in my family. I go for my mammos annually faithfully. Now I have a large ILC that has been brewing for a long time (so Im told). WHY OH WHY did these docs not tell me to get my cystic dense breasts to a 3D mammogram?? Would that have caught this sooner?

I also took long cycle HRT (estrogen only with progest every 3 months) for about 4 years and here I am. I blame myself for this mess. Terrified. Went to surgeon 1, heading to surgeon 2 Monday. This is a very scary and confusing time. Googling is terrifying. I find peace in this board tho!! Thank you in advance!!!

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  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited February 2016

    Hi NEF. I can tell you're in shock. I'm so sorry. It is just horrific news to hear. So glad you found us. One of the first things I wish someone had told me about are anti-anxiety med. They were made for times like these. They'll allow you to at least take a breath. Second we all have a suitcase full of woulda, shoulda, couldas. Cancer is a sneaky disease, ILC is even sneakier. You cannot blame yourself for anything. It is ok to grieve, cry, lose it now. Soon you'll get more information and you be moving forward with your treatment plan. It is going to be really scary for a while. We'll do our best to support you however we can. Hang in there.

  • warriorwannabe
    warriorwannabe Member Posts: 66
    edited February 2016

    Thanks farmerlucy for answering my 1st post :) Visiting the 1st surgeon got me some answers, but I want to see a 2nd and maybe even a 3rd one. I have calcifications in the other breast (which we are ignoring because Im opting for a double mastectomy w/ reconstruction). I WANT THESE THINGS GONE after all these 25+ years of trouble. Am I reading your tagline correctly? You had BC AFTER you had a prev mx??

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited February 2016

    It was found in the preventive mx, but I have since learned that it was probably seen on MRI and either passed or missed in a subsequent excisional biopsy. It was another case of extremely dense breasts. I've heard it is like finding a certain piece of tapioca in a bowl of tapioca pudding. See there is no guarantee 3D would have caught yours. Mammos just don't do well with extremely dense breasts. I understand about wanting them gone too. Good luck with your surgeon search. Mine was great and he took the time to answer any questions I had.


  • jojo9999
    jojo9999 Member Posts: 202
    edited February 2016

    nef, sorry to hear about your dx. I had been having regular mamos for nearly 10 years, then my gyn suggested I have a 3D mamo in 2013. It was clear. Then one year later, I asked for ultrasound instead. They first did a 2D mamo and found a suspicous area. US and 3D confrimed. I was told that my ILC had been growing for "sometime" but it wasn't found on my first 3D. Now, I want them to go back and re-examine the 2013 3D mamo - I want to know if, in hindsight, they would "see" it. I would like to know how much it was growing. Good luck getting your tx planned out.

  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited February 2016

    The important thing is that you're getting treatment for your cancer NOW. I never had HRT, have always been really healthy, and have no family history of breast cancer -- yet, I was diagnosed. Never look back, I say. What's done can't be undone.

    Don't spend too much time with Dr. Google, and if you do, go to respectable websites. It sounds like you're going to be a strong advocate for yourself. Get as many opinions as you want! Best wishes.

  • warriorwannabe
    warriorwannabe Member Posts: 66
    edited February 2016

    Hi jojo. Im with you. If Im reading right, your ILC was 1 cm and they said was growing for some time. Mine is 2.5 (per US) and the surgeon said it is at least 5cm, and may be bigger because they measure it end to end once they remove it. So I think mine is a little monster size, and has prob been growing for a super long time. I know I should not look backwards, but I cant help it. In fact, there is a clip in that same area from a very old stereo biopsy (per the surgeon). I cant help but be mad and stunned. Did your ILC hurt, or was it ever sore?

  • StaceySue2U
    StaceySue2U Member Posts: 281
    edited February 2016

    Hi, NEF. I'm newly-diagnosed as well and I was on HRT for 9 years because I had my hyster/oopher at age 37. It is my understanding that HRT does not cause breast cancer but if your breast cancer is estrogen receptive the hormones feed it. Also ILC is very sneaky and doesn't always show up. It's not your fault that you got cancer.

  • Holeinone
    Holeinone Member Posts: 2,478
    edited February 2016

    NEF, I could of written your post myself, 2 1/2 years ago. It's a roller coaster ride with twist, turns & some nausea.

    I was also shocked when I found out 6 nodes malignnt with extra nodal extension.

    None of this is easy. Be kind to yourself. Join the group here that has surgery when you do & chemo, if needed. BCO is a great place to rant, we all "get it".

    I am hoping to get a 3D mammo this year. I live in a rural area, my Dr. will not write a referral to get one in the big city 2 hours away. I have been patient with there protocols, but I think I should push for one this year.

  • Smurfette26
    Smurfette26 Member Posts: 730
    edited February 2016

    Sorry you have found yourself here NEF. I had ILC too. Mine was multifocal. Was never sore/painful, no breast or nipple changes, no palpable lump. No clue. Even once the specialists knew it was there they were still not able to feel it. Lobular cancers often turn out to be much larger than they appear on imaging. This was true in my case. As StaceySue said previously, ILC is a very sneaky cancer. You will find the information, support and caring on these boards invaluable. Hugs Donna.

  • jojo9999
    jojo9999 Member Posts: 202
    edited February 2016

    warrior, not sure where "nef" came from! my ILC was multifocal, with 3 areas, the largest 1.5 cm (for some reason this website rounds it down to 1 cm). I had US and MRI done prior to surgery. The MRI was very accurate as far as sizing the ILC. All three parts had actual measurements from the pathology report that were very close to the measurements from the MRI, so I didn't have any big surprises, except that the MRI did not detect a positive node (2mm). My ILC hurt a little, it was in an area that had always felt a little different (thickening). 16 years prior at 35, my doc sent me for a mamo and US because he didn't like the feel of it. all clear then, but that is where the ILC showed up 16 years later. good luck

  • Nopoli
    Nopoli Member Posts: 21
    edited September 2016

    warriorwannabe, I'm sorry you're going through this. My short answer, who knows. My 3D Mammo did not detect my small (0.9 cm) ILC. Answer to second question: I was premenopausal at diagnosis (but perhaps 2 or so years away from natural menopause), so no HRT, but did take oral contraceptives (estrogen-progesterone) for approximately 7 years. Here's my background. Hope the facts and details help.

    I was diagnosed with stage 1 ILC this year after I had a prophylactic mastectomy of my right breast. At the same time, I had a mastectomy to remove what they thought was a 3 cm lesion in my left beast (nipple to chest wall). Images of the left (us, 3D Mammo and MRI were showing a large invasive cancer but 2 biopsies showed high grade DCIS and LCIS, hyperplasia, sclerosis, you name it). So they didn't know what we were dealing with. Final answer would have to come after surgery.

    I had had extremely dense breasts with stable calcifications (BiRad 4). The 3D Mammo showed nothing on the right side, but the MRI showed a lesion which the BS was not worried about at all--a fibroadenoma, they said. Because my Mom passed away from recurring, two primary metastatic breast cancers, I opted for prophylactic on the right.

    Post surgery, the findings on the left were 6 cm of grade 3 DCIS, LCIS and cancerization of the lobules, embedded in a large sclerotic (benign) lesion, less than 1 mm margin in at least 2 spots, suspicion of micro invasion, isolated tumor cells in 1 of 3 nodes (highly ER positive; PR 10%; HER 2 -ve).

    What's more relevant to your question, on the right side they discovered a 0.9 mm Grade 2 ILC, highly ER and PR +ve, HER2 negative. Followed up with axillary dissection on right side: 0/14 nodes. Yay! I was smart (in decision) AND incredibly lucky. I've seen way too many stories of stage 3 and stage 4 ILCs at original diagnosis. Oh I had also had a PET-CT scan no contrast, and there was mild uptake in left side but not on right ILC side.

    Because Oncotype scores were in the low spectrum on both sides, no radiation or chemo were recommended (1 RO, 4 MO opinions). BRCA -ve

    Warm thoughts. My 6 weeks of diagnosis pre surgery and then the post surgery treatment decisions phase were very very stressful. After that I obsessed about recurrence and possibly being under treated. Now I channel the energy into nutrition, exercise, anti stress, and connections. Super lucky we have a huge cancer support center here (mostly; all kinds of modalities). Having this support has helped to heal. I hope you will eventually find a modicum of peace. Hugs.


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