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  • Kimmer33
    Kimmer33 Member Posts: 386
    edited February 2016

    hi ladies!

    I start rads tomorrow and i have not been nervous until tonight. I think it's just the unexpected-ness of it all. I dont know how it will go, what they will do, etc.

    my hubby is coming with me for moral support, which i am so thankful for. I really want all of this to be over.

    I am actually quite scared of them missing the mark and radiating my heart. I know they do this everyday and they are experts, but just so scared.

    Kim

  • morelandks
    morelandks Member Posts: 51
    edited February 2016

    Hang in there Kimmer33. I've reall struggled with fear too, especially at the beginning of each new phase of treatment. But it's always gotten better after that - even when I had problems in treatment, somehow it was easier to be dealing with a known thing than being afraid of all of the what ifs. We are all with you in this! Please let us know how tomorrow goes. (PS - tomorrow is #19 of 33 for me, so I am smack in the middle of it all!

  • TallnTerrific
    TallnTerrific Member Posts: 114
    edited February 2016

    SeekingSere, I know what you mean about the lack of certainty that we are cancer free. I have three reasons to doubt. First my own PET scan done before my Masectomy and before any treatments strongly indicated cancer in three of four lymph systems. I went through one abdominal biopsy and a laproscopic procedure that showed no cancer, but they were so sure about it being metastatic. They couldn't really explain why it was showing a false positive -scary. Second and saddest, my sister in law was diagnosed and treated with cervical cancer after chemo and rads declared cancer free! Less than 3 month later the cancer was everywhere. She started back on an aggressive chemo regimen for the last six months of her life and died less than a month ago. Finally there is my mother who had breast cancer at 50 MX and 1 yr of chemo that nearly killed her, tomaxifen for 10 years and they declared her cancer free,but no. After 23 years it came back in the other breast - more chemo morerads.

    That is why I believe they do not know what test will be accurate, or what treatment successful. I think we just have to be our own monitors.

    Cubbie2015, I wanted to let you know that I asked about the darkening of the freckles/moles on the radiation side. My RO told me that they sometimes fall off after the treatments. It seems to fry them up. But he said that it was not a worry for me. Mine were all very light moles before, some of which you couldn't see. Now they are more visible and disgusting, but if they fall off I will be happy.

    4 more treatment of rads and now four weeks of PT to fix the shoulder. Hopefully I will be done by end of March!,

    The real good news is we have just planned an Alaskan cruise for September!!!! That is a nice goal to have.

  • keepwalking
    keepwalking Member Posts: 147
    edited February 2016

    Hello all you brave and wonderful ladies!

    I just wanted to drop in for an update. I finished rads almost 2 weeks ago. I was on the short (16 + 5) protocol and my worst symptoms were after finishing. My breast was sore and my nipple fairly well cooked by the finishing day, but oohhh did it get worse! My tumor was just under the surface of the skin and therefore my skin was purposely targeted by the boosts, including the whole nipple area - so just want to say that not everyone should expect the same. During the week after finishing part of my nipple became an open sore and the skin in the whole boost area got bright red and extremely painful. I ended up going to a dermatologist who prescribed a special cream, but the pharmacy didn't have it in stock. She also mentioned that dairy products were good for burns (yogurt, etc.). So, I decided to make my own concoction - coconut oil, fish oil (emptied a capsule), and calendula cream. (Yes, it hardens because of the coconut oil, but as soon as you put a dab on that hot breast it melts immediately. I chose coconut oil because of the natural antibiotic properties and it also overpowers the fish oil smell. The fish oil was for the natural vitamin E.) I would coat the area with this and then with yogurt, after a few moments gently pat off the excess and put on a soft, cotton T-shirt with Genie Bra on top. It did soothe, and I think it really helped. A few days later I finally woke up without burning, stinging pain and the skin looked tremendously better. The open sore has a big scab, so it doesn't hurt any more.

    I used cabbage leaves all the way through (it was part of the rads nurse's instructions!) and it really helped by taking away the soreness and heat. I shared that with the list, but I am sure that someone had mentioned it before me. I must say, though, that after the skin broke down in the one area, the cabbage no longer felt good - really nothing did until I left it completely dry for a day to let a scab form. After the scab, my coconut oil concoction kept it supple so that it didn't crack.

    Here's hoping that no one has a bad reaction, and that everyone keeps up their spirits - it will be done soon and you will be back to normal routine! After 2 weeks I am feeling much better, my head is clearer, and my energy level is returning.

    You got this!

    P.S. - After finishing, don't forget to keep up the hydration for the next couple of weeks or beyond, as your body is still trying to flush out the remaining toxins, free radicals, etc. I made that mistake and got very dizzy.


  • El_Tigre
    El_Tigre Member Posts: 520
    edited February 2016

    Etnas - OMG i want one of those cookies. They are so cute!

    You may want to ask about Calendula at your RO Office I got some for free, which helped becuase it's not cheap ;)

  • KateB79
    KateB79 Member Posts: 747
    edited February 2016

    I saw the grumpy doctor this morning and managed to make him laugh, so I'm already calling today a win.

    Everyone--techs, nurses, grumpy--is happy with how great my skin looks. I guess they thought I'd "pink up" a lot faster than this, especially given the bolus for all treatments. Number 8 is in the books!

    I agree so, so, so much with the fear of the unknown comment. Chemo was the same way. Major anxiety, which faded as treatments went on (with one exception, the infusion that shall not be named). It's feeling like rads is the same way.

    And, as grumpy put it this morning: "so SEs will happen overnight. All of this is gradual." Good to know.

  • sailorgirl15
    sailorgirl15 Member Posts: 114
    edited February 2016

    It seems we are all being told to just hydrate. I sure wish there was something that helped the skin heal!

    Marijen - if your nausea does not subside make a stink about it! I see you are having whole breast - my RO finally listened and is rewriting the code because he said the nausea was definitely from stray rads hitting my stomach (and in my case, esophagus!). I was glad I got aggressive about reporting my SE's but it took me 4 weeks!!! Do not wait that long!! It is a SE and he said it should not be happening! We all hate to complain or make a stink and think we can handle this, but this is a time to get selfish and take the initiative to speak up.

    All my RO says to use is coconut oil and aquaphor. I keep searching for something else but it all just hydrates. The cabbage leaves help!

    My chest/shoulder area is bad. I'd post a picture but I don't want to upset anyone! It stings now and then....ugh! The other insult to injury is that this weekend, 6 weeks after last Taxol, I lost all eyebrows and most lashes. I'm a mess....no hair regrowth and now no brows or lashes and a burnt chest! I keep waiting to start the climb out of this abyss....it's gotta be soon!

    Hang in there ladies!! You are all my lifeline!

  • JerseyGirl22
    JerseyGirl22 Member Posts: 342
    edited February 2016

    Well, got the call early this morning... machines are down, so I snuggled back down into the covers and stayed warm for a bit... So that means last boost will be Feb 29th... I have an appt. with an integrative onc that day, so I'll be in the building anyway... /i had itching start over the weekend, but a bit of hydrocortisone cream helped right away. Still using the Miaderm and TriDerrma, seems to be working well... still just pink and no soreness to speak of...

  • justmaximom15
    justmaximom15 Member Posts: 264
    edited February 2016

    Good Monday morning all. Friday afternoon, my skin was pretty uncomfortable and it is so difficult to get any comfort at work. Aquaphor is almost impossible to use without getting it all over my clothing and they frown upon working topless here so... I went home early.

    I'm feeling much better today and I only have ONE MORE TO GO!!! Last rad is tomorrow at 8am. I also just scheduled my "deportation" for 2/25 and I think I'll feel like a normal person once again.

    For those just beginning or just beginning to feel the heat, what worked best for me was aquaphor mixed with prescription lidacaine. I keep them both in the refrigerator so when applied they are very cooling. I didn't try the cabbage but I did get a cooling cloth (Walmart for @ $8) and I keep it moist in it's container in the fridge as well. SO very soothing when my skin feels like it's emitting more heat than the sun. I've been wearing sports bras or camis because regular bras are just too uncomfortable.

  • HappyHammer
    HappyHammer Member Posts: 1,247
    edited February 2016

    Justmax- YAY for 1 more to go! Yes, I have found that most (but not all) worksites frown on going topless...glad you didn't try it Friday! Love your sense of humor- annnndddd, that hair! Yay for hair coming back in. You've GOT this!

  • JuniperCat
    JuniperCat Member Posts: 658
    edited March 2016

    Hello, all! I'm so pleased to have had this three day break from rads! I'm starting to wonder if electing to do this "prone" position was a smart choice...it seems odd to be so pink from the first two treatments. I've been taking a daily multivitamin for women over 50 and hope that's okay. I find it hard to believe that any antioxidant in a vitamin pill could compete with the power and intensity of a radiation beam. Anyway, be well and keep strong

  • marijen
    marijen Member Posts: 3,731
    edited February 2016

    Thank you sailorgirl - so glad I mentioned it. I have been trying to figure out all weekend what I ate that might have been different, or maybe it's a virus. I wasn't thinking about it until I opened up bco today. I'll mention it tomorrow and if it continues. I just ate so will see if it comes again today. Last two times were between 11 and 1pm and then continued into the afternoon. I can't remember about Saturday though. I do not normally have stomach issues - one part of my body that works......

  • HappyHammer
    HappyHammer Member Posts: 1,247
    edited February 2016

    Welcome, Durham! Hope all goes well tomorrow!~

  • mdoc524
    mdoc524 Member Posts: 336
    edited February 2016

    Happy Monday & President's Day All! Good luck today Kimmer, DurhamGirl, beryl, neen16, Jclc83 and anyone else starting today/this week! Thinking of you - I am sure you are glad to get started...

    **All not sure if you noticed but a while back I added the Cabbage Tip to the above "Tips" section under our names ..

    MissV and Marijen and Twnkltoz - hope you are feeling better from stomach stuff!

    TallnTerrific- soo close to the end for you and love and hate the cancer/gray hair reference - love it because we can color over it and stay positive and not let it define us - hate it because my whole head grew in pure white from chemo and I am only 46 and want to color it and can't yet LOL ..

    phoebe - good luck seeing PS this week and my RO checks chest every week - yours should too

    JuniperCat- hoping your pink/red skin is just that it is turning early - mine was pink after a few days and the calendula helps keep it calm.. I use California Baby Calendula Cream that I get the cheapest at Walmart.com and I would ask your RO about the multi-vitamin. I was advised that only B-Vitamins were OK during Rads

    HappyHammer -love the meme and the sentiment here is so true - Yes we are an awesome group brought together by stupid (or other choice adjectives) BC..

    Agree with all the comments about having a "like" button or a way to solely comment to a certain post ..

    Brimton/Duzy - here we go right into Week 3 already and it really is going faster than I thought!! Brimton I am jealous you do not have to change into a gown and that you get called right away .. here's an example of my waiting to the extreme today .. my appointment time is at 11:30am and there are 2 other women same time and I try to beat them each day and last week I did and was called 1st (WooHoo small success) .. Today I left really early due to the inclement weather in the hopes of getting done a little early before the roads get too bad (25min ride each way) .. I was gowned and ready at 11:07am and when they did not call my name by 11:55 I went back and asked and here they did not have me in for today - WHAT! Have me in for all other 33 days except for today .. Tech says "Maybe I can squeeze you quick" Uh Maybe?? Needless to say I was furious and BTW I went into the que when I scanned my card in but since I did not have apt they did not call me.. I was like so you can see that I am here - then one of the techs says "if you are waiting more than 15 minutes you should check with us" - now its my fault! UGH - rant over ..

    DiDel - my back/shoulder blade is pink and very itchy - RO said in the beginning to use the lotion there too as the radiation will hit the back there as well ..

    LMN - WooHoo for you today on completing your last 2 ,, Congrats!

    SeekingSerenity - Totally agree and I have challenged all of my Docs on recurrence rates and the how will I know cancer is gone when I had a Pet Scan before chemo and will not have another one unless new symptoms warrant. My MO advised to consider myself cancer-free since the surgery removed the cancer and the chemo and rads are the insurance against recurrence. Well that sounds good but I had 2 positive lymph nodes and they only took those 2 out so no idea if the rest are positive or not. Now I am thankful to not have all lymph nodes gone but still is alarming .. RO said that the chemo and rads would get any remaining cancer if anything left in the remaining nodes and I just need to find away to be comfortable with that .. love all of my doc's but I am the type of person that needs definitive proof in all that I do so not easy .. but know that we all in our own way have to find ways to live our lives and not let the worry and what if's define and take over our lives!!

    Keepwalking - Wow - so many hugs to you -sounds nasty for you - glad all on the mend and thanks for sharing!

    etnasgrl - those cookies look so yummy - where did you get them - Local Bakery? Woot Woot to you for last treatment

    sailorgirl15 - hang in there on the brows and lashes .. I am 6 weeks post last Taxol and just this weekend can see a shadow of my eyebrows and very tiny lashes starting.. my hair is a little more than a 1/2 inch all around but all white - so want to dye it! Funny had to shave my legs several times now - would rather my brows and lashes before leg hair LOL..

    JerseyGirl - what a nice call to get today with our nasty weather .. enjoy!

    WooHoo Justmaximom - Congrats on ending rads and getting port removal scheduled.. I got my port out 3 weeks ago and what a great feeling!! Thanks for all the tips too ..

    #11 today - skin pink and holding - worst area is down the center left side of FOOB - Calendula 3x per day is helping - Tissue Expander irritating me underneath on rib cage - hoping that shifts or not sure maybe it is the rads ..

    Have a great week all!!! If anyone wants their info above updated - let me know

    Mary

  • marijen
    marijen Member Posts: 3,731
    edited February 2016

    mdoc I'm with you on your note to Seeking - I'm not buying it. Two nodes, two positive, no more scans until you get symptoms. It's not right. What about tumor markers. What about the CTC circulating tumor cells blood test? I hope you get some resolution of your questions. They are valid.

  • mdoc524
    mdoc524 Member Posts: 336
    edited February 2016

    Thanks Marijen - I had a double mastectomy so tumor is gone with clear margins .. while I am confident I am doing the most treatment possible to reduce recurrence - the lymph node thing still causes me anxiety .. I so wish they took maybe one or two more nodes and that they were negative. I will keep asking and pushing until I feel comfortable.. sadly we have to be our own advocators - that is how mine was found - I had a clear "normal" 3D mammogram and 6 months later I felt the lump that biopsy and breast MRI said less than 1cm tumor - after mastectomy - path report came back 3.5 cm tumor and 2 nodes positive.. If I had waiting until next mammogram I can't imagine how much worse it could have been!! But very thankful that it was found and for all the support both directly from family and friends and everyone here - it is amazing!


  • KateB79
    KateB79 Member Posts: 747
    edited February 2016

    Marijen and mdoc, my MO put it to me like this: false positives happen all the time and they scare the hell out of people. The last thing she wants is to scare more people so, even if/when insurance covers scans, she's not a fan. She also explained that catching mets early (god forbid any of us gets them at all) doesn't change the prognosis; she operates off of things that are clinically significant (symptoms).

    I resisted this for a good, long while, but then I realized that she was right. Honestly, I've got to operate under the assumption that I won't have a recurrence (or mets); statistics are on my (and your) side.

    One thing that having cancer taught me, after years and years of worrying about getting cancer: worrying about something doesn't change the likelihood that a thing will happen. It just sucks the joy out of the moments spent worrying.

    That's easier said than done--and I realize this, and I'm not immune to bad, anxious days. But overall, it's kind of a que sera, sera kind of situation, at least for me. I'm becoming more and more committed to just living each day as it happens, if that makes sense. (Very hard for a formerly-type-A, overachieving gal like me, but worth trying!)

    Sending hugs.

  • marijen
    marijen Member Posts: 3,731
    edited February 2016

    mdoc, of course you know that even with a mastectomy - it can come back (not trying to scare you). Do you think radiation of the lymph nodes left behind fries them so they are no longer workable?

    PS nausea has resumed.... it's not bad but definitely makes me think about eating something. Will be watching the scale.

  • DurhamGirl
    DurhamGirl Member Posts: 100
    edited February 2016

    Hi everyone! Well, I had my simulation today and I think everything went fine, for the most part. The techs were fine, not super warm but nice enough. But I was in a position where the bar just below the headrest was pushing very painfully into the base of my skull. At about the 45 minute mark, it was so painful and they made sure to tell me not to move or else they would have to start over from scratch. I know the rest of the actual treatments will be much shorter, but that was really annoying.

    Then, they handed me my schedule on the way out. I had requested a time slot anytime in the morning--I am totally flexible in the mornings--and they honored that except for the first treatment tomorrow, which they scheduled for 4:45, the WORST possible time. It is right in the middle of my son's hockey practice, which I am FINALLY feeling up to taking him to after 5 months of arranging carpools, and right in the middle of a high school tour tomorrow that I REALLY wanted to go to for my middle son. So she handed me the schedule and told me I couldn't change anything and I just burst into tears. I was so happy about being able to finally do stuff with my kids that seeing that 4:45 time slot on the worst day possible just pushed me over the edge. The tech was able to change it in the end, but not before I spent 10 minutes bawling like a little kid in the waiting room. At least it was the empty gowned waiting room and not the main waiting room.

    So I guess I am feeling more emotional about this whole part of the process than I thought I was. At least the RO was friendly...we like her very much.

    And tomorrow it's labs, radiation, appt with the MO and then herceptin/perjeta...another 8am-2pm day at the hospital...sigh.

    Okay, I'm done kvetching now. Thanks for listening, everyone. :-)

  • DiDel
    DiDel Member Posts: 1,329
    edited February 2016

    so I talked to my RO today and he said he wasn't giving me enough of a zap.....he did not say zap but I can't remember the medical term he used...to affect my back muscle and thought the stress of everything is causing me tension.my nice nurse today said my muscles were very tight. So we shall see. I'm lathering up just in case. My RO also thought it could be mild lymphedema . ..he and my bs recommend wearing my lymphedema sleeve during rads...so will start tomorrow and see if that helps

    My RO also said basically calendula and Aquaphor are equally effective but they recommend aquaphor because it's cheaper

    My skin in definitely red and itchy and I'm afraid of what 23 more zaps will do.

    Good night to all and good luck tomorrow ladies...hugs to all

    Diane



  • Brimton
    Brimton Member Posts: 87
    edited February 2016
    Hi everyone
    I wish I could repost for everyone. I too worry about reoccurrence. I read all the stats, worry about what I'm eating, think about the other nodes. My tumor was deep near the chest wall. They took out lymph nodes under my arm. That's way across from where the tumor was. Why would the cells go to those lymph nodes rather than the closer ones they didn't look at? But I REALLY TRY to think positive. I have that tool.
    My nose was itching today. That was a challenge! But I let the music take me away.
    Mdoc -- You are strong. I think I would be freaking out if I had to wait. I cannot believe that they didn't know you were there and not scheduled REALLY come on!
    After my freak out and running out I was the one who apologized. UGH
    Durham girl-- hang in there it's not as long. Suggestions visual something happy or like me
    death to cancer cells.
    I also say a good thought for all of you going through this with me.
  • HappyHammer
    HappyHammer Member Posts: 1,247
    edited February 2016

    Wow, Durhamgirl...that was such a hard day!! Would you please make your info public so the rest of us can know what you have done and will do? I was wondering about the Herceptin/Perjeta during rads...are you HER2+? Did you do neoadjuvant therapy or ? Hugs to you!

  • DiDel
    DiDel Member Posts: 1,329
    edited February 2016

    awww Durham sorry you had a crappy day...you need to tell them that time absolutely does not work. Maybe someone will be ending a morning time soon and you can take it. Talk to them tomorrow I can't imagine they can't work with you. They work for you not other way around. Don't let them push you into a time no one wants.


    Brimton my tumor was sitting on my chest wall..I think/know my Dr's are beating themselves up for not doing rads the first time around. Just remember you are all doing all you can do...that's all we can do to avoid recurrence . Hang in there it does get easier


    Diane

  • LMN
    LMN Member Posts: 35
    edited February 2016

    Today I finished with rads!!! 44 treatments in 22 days. I am sooooo glad to be done! It turned out to not be that bad. My skin has not broken down but I am red, sore, itchy and swollen. I might finally go back to work in a few weeks.

  • DurhamGirl
    DurhamGirl Member Posts: 100
    edited February 2016

    HappyHammer, I just made all my info public. I thought it was already, so I apologize for that. I am triple positive. The plan is to continue Herceptin/Perjeta every three weeks until October, assuming my echocardiograms are normal. The RO also mentioned today that she would cut the Perjeta first if she feels that it is interfering with the radiation in any way--I guess Perjeta is so new that they just don't have enough data on it yet to know how it works with everything else.

    The only other thing that my public info below doesn't reflect is that my MO actually stopped the carboplatin after 3 rounds because of some unwanted side effects (major GI issues and some minor hearing loss and tinnitus). I haven't decided on further surgery yet, but I will most likely have a prophylactic mx on the left side and leave it at that for a while (i.e. no recon) and see how I feel. I'm having trouble envisioning multiple surgeries for reconstruction at this point. I just really want to get back to my life and doing stuff with my kids.

    DiDel...I guess my message might have been confusing. All time slots EXCEPT tomorrow are in the morning. It was just that one day, tomorrow, that I had several kids' activities happening at once that they tried to schedule me in for an afternoon. Sorry for the confusion! And yes, I will definitely push to change appointment around if I need to in order to be at school events for my kids, etc.

  • Suz-Q
    Suz-Q Member Posts: 205
    edited February 2016

    mdoc, I found my lump 3 months after a mammogram. I have dense breast. Got the letter saying they were dense, but no one told me what that meant! I didn't know the mammogram wouldn't pick up on BC in dense breast. I was so pissed! On the day of my lx I let the radiologist know that the letter sent to patients needed to have something in it to direct women to more information about breast density. He actually took my suggestion! I hope other women benefit from my complaining.

    I'm done with everything except Arimidex for the next 5 years. I do not feel cured at all. I believe my cancer is managed as best as possible, but the reality is I will never feel cancer free the rest of my life. The next 5 years are when most recurrences happen. Personally, I will never trust a mammogram again. I will be lobbying for an MRI. Im not subjecting myself to more radiation from a mammogram for zero results

  • HappyHammer
    HappyHammer Member Posts: 1,247
    edited February 2016

    LMN-YAY! YAY! YAY! for finishing rads!!! Have you tried the cabbage leaves for the red ho and itch? I didn't until near the end and in retrospect...wish I had tried them sooner. Rest and enjoy NOT having rads every day...hugs!


  • HappyHammer
    HappyHammer Member Posts: 1,247
    edited February 2016

    Aw, Durham...So sorry you are having to do all of this....BC stinks...ugh! Take good care!

  • Kimmer33
    Kimmer33 Member Posts: 386
    edited February 2016

    hi ladies!

    Pretty uneventful first day of rads and very interesting. Techs are great and friendly, music is playing and i have palm trees to look at! My husband said it's like laying on the beach!

    On a different topic - i saw mdoc's note about her hair and wondering about everyone else's hair (or lack thereof). What stage is it at how long after your chemo ended (if you had chemo that is). I am 4 weeks PFC, never actually lost my buzz cut, and now it's about a quarter of an inch long and pure white. Just wondering how long others took to grow, and get their colour back. I still dont have leghair growth or armpit growth but have kept most of my eyelashes, and brows have thinned substantially.

    Kim


  • LMN
    LMN Member Posts: 35
    edited February 2016

    thank you happy hammer! The cabbage leaves work great! Right now I use hydrocortisone on one area and finally with Aquaphor am getting the tape off.

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