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  • justmaximom15
    justmaximom15 Member Posts: 264
    edited February 2016

    2 of 8 boosts down! I think I was expecting my skin to get much better over the weekend but I was wrong LOL. It's much redder, more of the breast now than just the underarm and the skin is very tight which I noticed when I was putting canned goods in the pantry.

    RO told me that it might get worse this week before it gets better. That means I'll either be working topless or working from home and I'm pretty sure I know which they will prefer :)

  • Tessio
    Tessio Member Posts: 46
    edited February 2016

    Hello group,

    I will have #11 today out of 35. I have been listening for a couple of weeks. It is reassuring to hear everyone's stories and advice. So far, I have tender tight pink skin and some fatigue. I have aches and pains too, but I think that is from surgery and chemo and recovering for the last 6 months. New side effects: dizziness, feels like a lump in my throat when I swallow, My Rad dr said that these are not SEs from RADs. Not a great bedside manner..,...fine, but I would like to not feel dizzy. Perhaps it is anxiety? How do you all relax on the table too? The fastest time for me so far has been 30 minutes. (laying down to getting up)


    Wishing everyone well during their appointments today. <3

  • justmaximom15
    justmaximom15 Member Posts: 264
    edited February 2016

    Tessio, I actually have no problem relaxing and the other day I was almost asleep when the tech came in to mark me up some more for my boost. It startled me so much I thought I might fall off the table LOL. I usually just go somewhere in my head, like the beach or I think about upcoming trip plans and what we're going to and the next thing I know it's time to go.

  • KateB79
    KateB79 Member Posts: 747
    edited February 2016

    Tessio, make sure you're hydrated! My RO said to drink as much water or weak tea as I possibly can (which I got really good at during chemo). I'm not up to chemo levels of hydration yet, but I notice that it does make a difference.

    I was dehydrated this morning and felt dizzy and weird after TX; drank 20 oz. of tea and 32 oz. of water, and I feel a lot better.

    I had to see a substitute RO this morning, and the guy was a complete tool. He said disparaging things about the advice that the nurses and techs give and--get this--he said "none of the creams you put on there will make a difference," which I think we all know is complete BS. He didn't even examine me. What a chooch. Thank goodness my RO will be back in two weeks--only one more time with this doofus.

    The good news is that 3/25 are in the books, and my regular RO is great.

  • TulipsAndDaffodils
    TulipsAndDaffodils Member Posts: 80
    edited February 2016

    That's interesting that the substitute RO said the creams don't make a difference….I think I agree with him! As I mentioned, I lucked out and didn't have much skin damage despite being uber-pale. But the reason I'm not convinced about the creams is that I was lubing up like crazy! But it wasn't until the 4th week, when I started pinking up, that I realized I was missing almost 50% of the area that was being radiated. And both sections of skin (the part I'd been lubing and the part I had ignored) were identical.

    I used Aquaphor every night, and calendula in the early morning, and Miaderm right after radiation (I had bought all of these, so I thought I might as well use them all!). There is a big part of me that wonders if the reason they make such a big deal about the creams is because as patients, we like to think we have some control and influence over our outcomes, and it makes us feel good to play an active role. I guess I believe that maybe it makes a tiny bit of a difference, but I'm not convinced that it is super-important. Or, at a minimum, perhaps its importance varies by person, but I bet it's overblown.

    When people say, "I used XXXXX lotion, and it totally worked for me!", that's pretty meaningless, because they don't know how they would have fared if they hadn't used it. They might have been equally fine without it.

    But I'm not advocating you skip it--perhaps it helps, or at a minimum,I do think we feel better doing something that we think helps ourselves ;-)

    Good luck everyone, but don't beat yourself up if you miss a lotion-session!

    Tulips


  • JerseyGirl22
    JerseyGirl22 Member Posts: 342
    edited February 2016

    Ok, #16 on the books today! Whoohoo! Only 10 more to go, and then boosts!

    I will say this, hydration hydration, hydration.... If I don't hydrate well, I get dizzy and feel terrible, just like with chemo.

    As for the lotions, I can only attest to this... I started using Miaderm a week before and I didn't get pink until the end of week three, which was Friday. On Friday night I looked at myself and realized that I was getting really pink. My mother-in-law had given me this cream called Tri-Derma, and I used it Friday night, twice a day on Saturday and Sunday. Monday morning I got up and my skin looked like it did 3 weeks ago.. no pink, no color, nothing... So, for me... it did something. The techs kept looking at it in disbelief this morning.

    Anyway, everyone is different, so I guess it depends on the person....

  • Brimton
    Brimton Member Posts: 87
    edited February 2016
    hi everyone
    Mdoc524 I used your advise. I visualized and I did better today. I now think of the rads machine as a "death ray" to cancer cells. It's only day five but I'm doing ok. I was taking Ativan but I think it made me detached which wasn't helping.
    I visualize my self dancing. Hello, because I can't move!!
    My husband thinks "It's just in and out." I told him he should not wear any underwear in solidarity and see how it feels. We got a good laugh out of that.
    GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!
    I do think hydrating helps. I have been drinking 64 oz of water or tea a day. 25 more to go...
  • etnasgrl
    etnasgrl Member Posts: 650
    edited February 2016

    I don't know if the creams make a difference or not....but I'm still going to use them! LOL!

    I started getting pink right after the very first treatment and now that I'm three weeks in, I'm REALLY pinkish/red....but no pain, no blistering, and no peeling. I use 100% Aloe right after each treatment and tons of Aquaphor each night, before bedtime.

    As of today, I am all done with the regular treatment and begin my boosts! WOOT! In the final stretch!

  • Twnkltoz
    Twnkltoz Member Posts: 215
    edited February 2016

    my skin was dry after surgery, and the creams are helping with that. And they are soothing when the burn is uncomfortable.

    13/33 done...

  • Peabrain
    Peabrain Member Posts: 268
    edited February 2016

    Update from this corner: 15 of 28 done. My skin is pink and I use the Miaderm because it soothes some of the heat in the skin.

    I have nice bursts of energy and then suddenly I am drooling on my iPad. Incredible fatigue, so I nap like a two year old and then am ready to go again.

    My biggest new complaint is painful, achy joints that seem to be getting worse. (I sound like an arthritis medicine commercial.) RO says that is from chemo and the MO agrees. Part of hitting chemopause like a brick wall is a sudden screeching halt to the estrogen in the body. And apparently, estrogen is joint lube. So I am creaky like a 90 year old (I am 48) until I get moving. Has anyone gotten any useful info on how to deal with this?

    Sorta strange thing happened today. I seem to have pulled a muscle in my lower back or have some inflammation at my hip joint and it made a little lump and hurts, so I showed the RO. And next thing I know, I'm headed to X-ray with a prescription that says "Pt dx: BC states pain in lower back." Of course there was nothing on the xray, how could there be anything in my body after five months of chemo?

    But they took it so serious, it made me feel like I'm in denial, or not really getting what my diagnosis means in the long run. I have been going through this parade of surgery/chemo/rads/ovary removal assuming that the treatment is so aggressive that I don't even have nose hair let alone cancer anymore. And to see their fear of mets kind of shocked/scared me. I don't want to be that person that thinks every little owwie is areoccurrence, but I don't want to ignore something important either (like my swollen lymph nodes right before my diagnosis that I thought were from a cold). How to balance a sunny outlook with realism?


  • marijen
    marijen Member Posts: 3,731
    edited February 2016

    I'm up tomorrow for rad#1 and getting very stressed. Life as I knew it is over kind of stress. Really do not want to do this

  • HappyHammer
    HappyHammer Member Posts: 1,247
    edited February 2016

    Maximom- Also thought during boosts skin woulde be better- not so much...it got worse and even more so week after finishing it all...even the Ro said I had a bad skin reaction. That being said- the itching and heaviness were the worst things...am now 2.5 weeks out and skin is healing well...still peeling and a bit of itching but it is all good.

  • HappyHammer
    HappyHammer Member Posts: 1,247
    edited February 2016

    Peabrain...sure understand what you are going through....gotta find a new normal...so hard!

  • HappyHammer
    HappyHammer Member Posts: 1,247
    edited February 2016

    Marijen- think I understand how you are feeling....in your pocket! Please keep me posted on how things are going and how you are feeling! I took my phone with earphones and played my best Pandora tunes in the waiting room...and, the techs and I talked about my nervousness and that music helped- so- they were sure to play good music during my treatments. When something was going on and I thought they had forgotten...they hadn't...they would tell me we were getting started and I would say, "Music please." and it would already be playing before I got the question out. Have to ask for what you need. Again, in your pocket.

  • marijen
    marijen Member Posts: 3,731
    edited February 2016

    Thanks Happy Hammer. My skin feels nauseated. I don't do pain well. I don't want a shrunken boob, or a stiff shoulder, or LE. I hope the machine is broken tomorrow!

  • HappyHammer
    HappyHammer Member Posts: 1,247
    edited February 2016

    Marijen- other than a really BAD sunburn at the end of rads...I had none of what you said you did not want.;.....hoping you have same or even better results!! Warrior on with the idea that your SE's will be non existent or tolerable and I really think that can happen!

  • marijen
    marijen Member Posts: 3,731
    edited February 2016

    Ok I'll try. Power of Positive Thinking

  • Duzy
    Duzy Member Posts: 134
    edited February 2016

    This is such a active thread and great support system. We each are stronger than we realize and we can help each other if virtual get through some of the toughest days we have to face. Stay strong everyone. I am a little pink after 5 treatments but it does not hurt or itch at all. Hope this holds up.

    Tessio The fatigue does seem to stay with us. Some days better than others. I am usually done within 10 minutes so I just think about what I need to do that day. We do not have music or pretty pictures just the zap machine moving around me. Good luck you will get through it

    KateB79 Love the fish. Great thing to look at each day before treatment

    Jerseygirl22 Great to hear you are more than half way done. I have not heard of the lotion Tri-Derma I hope it works well. Keep us posted.

    Brimton glad to hear you are doing better. I also went for day 5 treatment today. 28 more to go....

    etnasgal we are using the same lotions so I hope I do not peel or blister either. My RO said mainly just using Aloe I have a cooling towel but I have not used it yet because it hasn't felt really warm to me yet.

    Twnkltoz I agree the lotions are certainly helping with my scars. Your almost half way through so I hope your skin holds up well

    Peabrain Sorry you have to go through this. I am with you I don't think I have allowed myself to think beyond treatment yet but I go for a physical this Friday so that should be interesting. Stay strong hugs are with you and we need to find our new normal for each of us.

    Marijen We will all be there with you in spirit. You can get through this stronger than before. I seemed to be more anxious starting radiation then when I did chemo. But once you get a routine it does get easier. Let us know how it goes.

    Happy Hammer Sorry you are having a skin reaction after being done with treatment. I hope you rest and heal quick

    Maximom hope you are healing well

    For anyone I missed stay strong, rested and hydrated and hope the week goes by uneventful.

  • marijen
    marijen Member Posts: 3,731
    edited February 2016

    I'm confused. Today a neighbor told me she has a friend in LA who found a lump under her arm, had it removed it and "got it all" and she doesn't have to have radiation? Really? How does that work? I don't think so - especially when it's close to the nodes, or worse it was a node.... whaa???

  • SeekingSerenity16
    SeekingSerenity16 Member Posts: 13
    edited February 2016

    Marijen I had my first treatment today. It really is a mind game in a way: You know it's painless; but, the outcome of each treatment is a mystery...am I going to swell, or shrink, or burn and when? Or will I be just fine? Will treatments be successful?

    Being in the radiation suite is a confirmation that the cancer is real even though there are spans of time I don't even think about it because, I feel normal, I am strong, I work long hours, I exercise 7 days a week, have a full life and I feel happy; but, I have cancer and now the treatment may make me feel terrible, sick even...or going through with it may make me stronger than ever in ways that I never knew possible...

    I was fine until I got on the table this morning and all I wanted to do was bolt. The technicians barely said a word to me...they were all business and oblivious to the swarm of thoughts in my head. Before I knew it and without any instruction they headed for the door and said your treatment is coming...no guidance on what I would experience and for how long. I lay there forcing myself not to get up and run, wondered if I was moving too much or breathing too deeply. First panic, next telling myself to get a grip and think happy thoughts.

    Where this fear came from is beyond me; but, I realized I can control it rather than let it control me. I imagined I had left my body and was watching myself on the table as this machine moved around me. I willed myself to be calm because nothing horrible was happening to me and I was well cared for by a team of experts. I've probably had worse pain and damage to my body from an afternoon at the beach than I ever will from 33 treatments of radiation...on the contrary, radiation may add years to my life and yours...You can do this and now I know I can too. You don't need happy cheerful technicians and pretty pictures to look at. I was face down, the only pictures I had were the ones in my head and I have control over them...so do you. Tonight I can see how silly I was to allow fear to overtake me. Tomorrow I will walk in with a smile and go through the motions and know that I am safe and in control. I will sleep soundly tonight and wish that for you.

    I will be thinking of you and willing you to know that you are strong and in control. When you feel alone or fearful, know that all of us here are sending positive energy your way. We have our hands on your shoulder keeping you warm and comforting you from afar.

    When calculated, 33 treatments total less than 8 hours out of my life...put it into perspective...just a blip of time out of our lifetime!

    Hugs to you and all who join us on this rollercoaster!

  • Twnkltoz
    Twnkltoz Member Posts: 215
    edited February 2016

    @marijen sending you lots of love, hugs, and positive vibes! You can do this, and it's only a few weeks. You're doing this to ensure your around for a long time for your loved ones. Good luck tomorrow, and come tell us all about it when you're done! We've got your back, girl!

  • marijen
    marijen Member Posts: 3,731
    edited February 2016

    Thank you Seeking and Twinkletoes, I'll check back to read and remind myself. Bad day today, someone nearby 50 year old female got into her car and shot herself. She was separated recently from husband, heard through the grapevine. Don't have any idea who she was but it's disturbing. Her body lay on the sidewalk for hours covered with a tarp. Police were waiting for the mortician and then to hose down the street. Gruesome It was is so disturbing. I lost all motivation after that. Can't help wondering if the husband was a jerk.

  • Shopgal2
    Shopgal2 Member Posts: 649
    edited February 2016

    JerseyRenee I also got red at the end of my 3rd week. Right after my ro said my skin looked great and everything was going terrific. I swear she jinxed me. I am at 18/30 treatments. I start my boosts next Thursday.

    As for dizziness I am trying to drink enough but am getting pretty dizzy often during the day. Ro said last week that I looked dehydrated and really tired. She was concerned that I had really low blood pressure. So I did get the drink more, sleep more talk. Gotta get back to my fluid level intake I had during chemo. Bathroom you will be my bff again. Lol.

    Peabrain I see you are TN like me and I do think that our docs helicopter mom us at times. I feel like I should point out more what I think are normal post chemo SE's to my team and ask if they really are just that. i don't like to complain but it's a new reality to know that we are higher risk now. I just read that chemo patients are immuno compromised for up to 9 months after treatment.yikes

  • Neen56
    Neen56 Member Posts: 14
    edited February 2016

    I have my planning session later this afternoon and will begin radiation next week. I will have a 16 sessions. I had radiation in 2003 for cervical cancer and never had any skin problems. I hope I'm that lucky this time.

  • Neen56
    Neen56 Member Posts: 14
    edited February 2016

    Can someone tell me why we need "boosts"? My RO hasn't mentioned that. How will it be determined if I need them or not?

  • Peabrain
    Peabrain Member Posts: 268
    edited February 2016

    @Shopgirl - I asked my docs about eating sushi and was told I shouldn't for another six months to allow my immune system to concentrate on healing rather than fighting off any potential bugs. So that fits with what you are reading.

    @Neen - My RO has not said boosts to me. I have not heard anything about it except on this forum.

  • Scotland219312
    Scotland219312 Member Posts: 237
    edited February 2016

    I'm getting 12/30 this afternoon (including 5 boosts). Chest wall, armpit, clavicle nodes. So far, I'm getting pink and my chest muscles are getting tight. I'm almost halfway through the whole chest (no reconstruction yet) treatments.

    Regarding the bolus: my RO said that it was a skin-like substance to the machine. Passing through the extra layer gets the beam closer to the surface of the skin. I'm getting a total of 10 bolus treatments, every other day, and have had 6 so far.

    Regard lotions, etc.: my RO said that using them wasn't to "save the skin" (prevent damage) but to help us tolerate the damage. Which makes a kind of horrible sense.

    My RO also said (noticing a theme?) that if I wasn't a decent shade of pink that he would intensify treatment (yikes!). And that the effects of treatment, including skin damage and fatigue, would continue to grow for a week or two after treatment stops. Once the skin starts to heal, it will heal rapidly.

    Shopgal and Peabrain, my MO told me no diet restrictions during or after chemo, including sushi (which I had for lunch yesterday). Just to be careful and eat from places I trusted. There's so much variation in what they tell us!

    Neen56: boosts are radiation directly to the tumor bed and/or LX/MX scar, which are apparently common recurrence sites. Ask your RO why they think you do or do not need it. He/she is the one looking at your chart and assessing your recurrence risk.

  • Twnkltoz
    Twnkltoz Member Posts: 215
    edited February 2016

    i do not have any food restrictions. My nurse told me three weeks after chemo I was good, and my MO told me he doesn't restrict most foods and the nurses are overly zealous. Although I only had 8 treatments over 16 weeks, and longer treatment plans have more effect on your immunity. And I never had a problem with wbc counts.

    Is anyone else having trouble with dry mouth?

  • KateB79
    KateB79 Member Posts: 747
    edited February 2016

    No food restrictions here, either, though I haven't had much of an appetite.

    Today was a comedy of errors. I got to rads, changed, and sat in the waiting room for a while. . . It seemed like they were running behind. After about 35 minutes, Ron (one of my techs) came out and said the city was shutting down a generator that powers the hospital, and wondered if I and the other woman in the waiting room could come back later. He was super sweet about the whole deal--even offered to buy us lunch!

    I went back at noon and the breath-gating machine kept breaking while I was on the table! They FINALLY got it working, and I got my zaps and was on my way.

    I'm having a hard time, emotionally, with this. In some ways, chemo felt "easier" (not really, but I hope you know what I mean); I guess I just worry more about the collateral damage from rads. Sigh.

  • marijen
    marijen Member Posts: 3,731
    edited February 2016

    Nothing like a broken radiation machine to give you confidence! I would have a hard time with that! You don't have any collateral damage yet, right?

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