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  • violethope
    violethope Member Posts: 32
    edited February 2016

    Hello fine ladies! Reading your posts and trying hard to keep up

    HH- yes it helps put things in perspective doesn't it? So sad!

    Just wondering if anyone has had any experience with Auxillary Web Syndrome or "cording". I am doing my stretches and going for massage tomorrow( if weather permits) with a lymphedema specialist but would be interested in hearing about others experience.

    Sending lots of positive energy to each and every one of you!


  • Moondust
    Moondust Member Posts: 510
    edited February 2016

    ayr1016, my RO said that the prone position did not protect the heart/lung as well as gating. He said some women's hearts flop forward in the prone position so that the heart is actually closer to the damaging rays. What did your RO give as the reason?

  • MLP3
    MLP3 Member Posts: 534
    edited February 2016

    HH- I'm sorry to hear about your friend. But, at least it was without suffering😔

    DH and I are binge watching "Making a Murderer" on Netflix. Soooo good

  • Gemma12
    Gemma12 Member Posts: 137
    edited February 2016

    Wow, offline for a day and i'm pages of posts behind! Don't think I'll get through all of them. It's been a busy end of the week.

    I registered my oldest for HS on Thursday. I was surprisingly emotional about it. It feels like yesterday I was signing her up for pre-school.

    DH's Aunt was dx with breast cancer yesterday. :( She is seeing her surgeon on Monday. It seems I'm bumping into BC everywhere lately. Sucks!

    A friend who was called back for a second Mammo was so worried but got the all clear, so that's good!

    Re: posiitioning for Rads. My RO said I'll be on my back. My tumor was close to my chest wall and is on my left side. I think she can control it better with me supine and holding my breath. I have to say, I'm nervous about my heart being exposed to the Rads. It's one of the biggest reason I was glad to be able to opt out of Chemo. Less toxicity for my ticker.

    Somebody mentioned anti-oxidants... stay away from them while doing Rads. The radiation beam is delivering free radicals and the anti-oxidants kill them!

    MableJo: Oh, Lord.. what a visual your story painted! Even down to the disposable undies (which I wore too!) Could they not do the biopsy on the stereotactic table? I had 2 wires placed, one was at 7:00, and the other at 6:00. It wasn't a pleasant experience, but it was a walk in the park compared to what you had to go through. You're "Going down" comment made me laugh, not at you, but with you. You poor thing!

    MLP: Glad you got North safely. I have to say, I'm enjoying all the FB pics from my Boston friends. I love a good snow storm! It stinks when the power is out, though. Best investment we ever made was a whole house generator! Have fun playing in the snow!

    Ayr: Congrats on starting treatment. Onward and upward! :)

  • ayr1016
    ayr1016 Member Posts: 228
    edited February 2016

    MLP: OMG....I could not stop watching that show. They did an excellent job of sucking you in.

  • Gemma12
    Gemma12 Member Posts: 137
    edited February 2016

    HH - I'm sorry to hear about your friend. Wow, so young! :(

  • Reader425
    Reader425 Member Posts: 653
    edited February 2016

    Hi there, Moonstone and Gemma and whoever else was asking about prone radiation - I had radiation in the prone position. My RO (Hopkins) assessed which approach would work best (4 o' clock position ) and prone was best. I now know from this discussion why she went into detail about how my heart did not do the undesired 'flopping' forward. My boosts were delivered supine.

    Hope this helps!

  • Brightsocks
    Brightsocks Member Posts: 159
    edited February 2016

    Did anyone feel ill after or during radiation? If so at what point and how many treatments did you have? I am thinking of just driving myself or ask a friend at the end of my treatments?


  • molliefish
    molliefish Member Posts: 723
    edited February 2016

    Not at all Brightsocks. I worked nearly full time hours, leaving early every day to make the trek to treatment. I was tired of driving, but not tired. I did stop working two weeks before the end of radiation because I had a bad skin reaction and I had 3 weeks vacation to try to use before the end of the year. (no I didn't make it) but other than the sore breast and heat from the radiation I felt good.

    You should be fine, with the caveat that everyone is different, and each reaction is a little different.
  • Brightsocks
    Brightsocks Member Posts: 159
    edited February 2016

    Mollie fish- How many treatments did you have?

  • Molly50
    Molly50 Member Posts: 3,773
    edited February 2016

    HH, I am sorry about your friend. That's so young. Brightsocks, I worked straight through rads with no problems.

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited February 2016

    Brightsocks, I wasn't sick at all. Never occurred to me I might be. I haven't heard of anyone feeling ill. Skin reactions, yes (though I had none). I had 33 treatments. You'll be fine to drive and do whatever else you want.

    HH, very sorry about your friend. That's depressing.

    HUGS!

  • LovesToFly
    LovesToFly Member Posts: 1,133
    edited February 2016

    hh I'm so sorry about your friend.


    With regards to alcohol, I think everybody has to make their own decision.

    For me, I normally have one to three glasses of wine on the weekend, not every weekend, depending if we get together with friends or not I am just feeling extra stressed. I am no longer doing this. I will still have a glass at a wedding or on a holiday or something like that, but I won't be a regular drinker ever again.

    I personally will make any lifestyle change that seems reasonable, and that the evidence seems reasonable and not hokey, that can reduce my risk of a recurrence.

    I was about 80% vegan before this started, but as soon as I found my lump I quit dairy. In my transition (I was working towards veganism and in some Facebook groups) I saw a lot of studies and read a lot of articles about a correlation between dairy and breast cancer. As soon as I found the lump I could just not have dairy anymore. I don't know if it's accurate or not, but since I was so close to vegan and actually planning to go vegan already, it wasn't a huge lifestyle change for me and physically it just did not feel possible to have dairy anymore.

    I have been a healthy weight and had a healthy lifestyle both diet and exercise wise for years now, but I fully intend to keep this up and am much more committed to it because I know it will reduce my risk of recurrence.

    When I am done my treatment, I do intend to do some research into supplements that can help lower my risk of recurrence. I don't know if I will end up taking anything, but I certainly plan to look into it.

    That said, I do know that even though sometimes the statistics look big, if you really look at the recurrence risk etc.…the difference between making these changes and not is rather small. For me it's important enough to make them anyway. But I think it's also relevant to keep in mind that none of them were huge lifestyle changes. I've never been a daily drinker, I have been fit active and had a healthy diet for years, I've been vegetarian since I was 15 and was almost off dairy already.

    If making the changes would be a huge lifestyle change that would dramatically impact on my enjoyment of my life, perhaps I would look at them differently decide it was not worth it reduce my risk of recurrence by a percentage point or two!

  • Brutersmom
    Brutersmom Member Posts: 563
    edited February 2016

    Brightsocks. I got dizzy just after my treatments. My RO had me take Advil and no more issues. I drove myself all the way through and I worked all the way through mine. The last week I was very tired. I did accelerated total of 20 treatments which included 4 boosts. I did develop an aversion to food. I did not get sick, just totally lost interest is food. My skin did not break down. My breast get very hot toward the end and I got itchy but that was manageable with cortisone. Since we all react differently if you want to work and feel up to it do it. If you find you have issues you can always adjust your schedule.

  • Sloan15
    Sloan15 Member Posts: 896
    edited February 2016

    Chisandy - You are so informative. Thank you. What have you heard about Tamoxifen? I'm taking 40mg a day and am wondering why my dosage is so high as everyone else takes 20 mg a day. I thought maybe it was because I'm a little overweight and tall, but nothing extreme. Women much taller and heavier than med ate on 20 mg. I know they used to give 100 mg/day and found that lower doses of 20 or 40 were equally effective, but why 40? I have an appt with my doc on the 16th, but I want to be ready with questions. Any Info you or anyone else has heard would be greatly appreciated.

    Birghtsocks - I drove myself to rads (33 days) and was fine. By the way, boosts are to the skin and area of the surgery and are not scary at all. My dox said they are easier on the skin, and sometimes they do the boosts before the last week of treatments to give some progress skin time to heal. I was fine all the way through. I used Musderm 4 x a day and NEVER allowed skin-skin contact. (I rolled up a piece of soft material to put under or between my breasts at night). Good luck.

    Wine.... I'm like Sandy in that I decided that if the wine is not terrific, I'm not drinking it. My husband and I are going to France and will be wine tasting, of course, so he will try the wine first. If it's fab, I'll have a 3-5 oz glass. Yeah, I was bummed because I love Zinn and Pinots, but like Jill said, it's a small concession for trying to avoid recurrence. I just need ro adopt this strategy with sweets.

  • MLP3
    MLP3 Member Posts: 534
    edited February 2016

    gemma- sorry to hear about your DH aunt. Time flies doesn't it? Our 17 yo some just announced that he has his prom date. He's the baby of the family and we all forgot that he's a junior and has a prom!

    LTF- Well said;) Everyone has their own deal with diet, exercise and drinking. But after going through what we do in all of this, why wouldn't we want to lower the risk of reoccurrence? Any percentage I can add to that, I'll do it.

    That being said... I will enjoy my wine up until chemo. It's my Ativan;) but come Monday, I'm starting that 3-day vegan reboot, cleaning up my vegan diet... No chips, no pasta... And my last glass of champagne will be Valentine's Day. Then onto chemo with healing foods and no alcohol. Once I am done and healed with treatments, I'll save wine for a special occasion or dinner.

    Ltf is right about the dairy elimination too. Once I stopped eating dairy, I slept so well! Felt better and my energy increased. Dairy is an inflammatory. We are really not meant to drink it. Even cutting back is beneficial for many reasons. And my cholesterol went down 50 points! There's lots of research out there on it... Check it out. It is a hard one with no cheese, but once you do it, you stop craving it;)

  • LovesToFly
    LovesToFly Member Posts: 1,133
    edited February 2016

    Mlp I dod the same, I really didn't start cutting down on wine much until chemo. That was kind of the line I drew in the sand for myself. Getting diagnosed was so stressful, and in the middle of my diagnosis and chemo I had surgery, my daughters bat mitzvah, started a new job, and the holidays. I enjoyed drinking moderately as always for that time actually got a little drunk on new years eve! But that was the last time I have drank, I started chemo on January 6. I totally plan to have a glass on holidays or at weddings and things like that, because I'm pretty sure 5 or so glasses of wine a year are not going to change anything, but that's going to be about it! I actually barely drank from my early 20s until my mid 30s. It's only been the last few years that I've learned to enjoy it.

  • HappyHammer
    HappyHammer Member Posts: 1,247
    edited February 2016

    Gemma- Sorry about you DH's aunt. BC stinks! Time does fly, MLP. We are empty nesters and it is still strange not to have a boy in the house. :(

    MLP/LTFly- Totally agree with y'all about personal choices. There are some things we can control so,I've made a lot of dietary changes since dx but over the last 2 months have eaten more than needed and some "comfort foods" that have got to go- along w/ some junk. Am looking forward to the 3 day re-boot! Started Arimidex today so need to get back on track for sure! DH is doing the re-boot with me- he is the bomb!

    Brightsocks- Good luck with rads!

  • Molly50
    Molly50 Member Posts: 3,773
    edited February 2016

    I won't be doing the cleanse on Monday. I will probably be starting something to eliminate carbs for a week or so to kick start weight loss. I can't go without coffee. I only average 5 1/2 hours of sleep each night. I need my morning coffee and I can't drink green or black tea. I have interstitial cystitis, can't eat or drink anything acidic. My coffee is low acid.

  • LovesToFly
    LovesToFly Member Posts: 1,133
    edited February 2016

    you couldn't drag coffee out of my cold dead hands. Thankfully I haven't found anything that seems to indicate a problem with my 2 cups a day (3 if I want to get laid...so I can stay up a bit! .

  • Sloan15
    Sloan15 Member Posts: 896
    edited February 2016

    LTFly - No dairy, eeek. What do you put in your coffee? I'm trying almond milk, but it's just not the same as cream...

    Molly - I'm not sleeping well either. I get hot flashes that wake me up. They're not so bad that I need to do anything, but I do wake up... It's hard to function when sleep is interrupted, and I can't imagine if I were still working! Are you exhausted at night?

  • LovesToFly
    LovesToFly Member Posts: 1,133
    edited February 2016

    I was actually very free for a year when my youngest daughter was breast-feeding, she was intolerant to both dairy and soy, it was really hard then, it's much easier now!

    Usually use an almond paste coffee creamer, otherwise I use cashew milk which is creamier than almond (I buy one small carton of the creamer a week, once it's done I switched to the cashew milk, because the creamer is a little bit of a chemical nightmare!). I haven't use cream in my coffee in years, but I used to use a dairy-based coffee creamer.

    I absolutely loved so it is definitely hard to get used to life without it. I have found some good cheese alternatives, however they too are kind of nutritionally void, so I don't buy them often. I have learned to make cheesy sauces and such with blended cashews and nutritional yeast.


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  • Jclc83
    Jclc83 Member Posts: 246
    edited February 2016

    I love a good Pinot. Life is too short to drink cheap wine. I haven't had any since my surgery and chemo. My taste buds were off and I didn't want to waste it. Plus my liver was working overtime with the chemo. So in the meantime my wine aged and so did I lol. I'm looking foward to enjoying a glass or two.

    Anything in moderation.

    No one knows why some of us develop breast cancer or any other cancer for that matter. I think diet would effect stomach, colon and perhaps pancreatic cancer. To me that makes sense. But we are what we eat, right? Smoking irritates the lungs and cause cancer but people who don't smoke get lung cancer too.

    On the other hand, I think that we all have " cancer cells " in our bodies. That cancer are normal cells that just proliferate in certain people. Something triggers normal cells to go awry. Our immune system can't keep up with those wild cells. and become tumors. Whether it's genetics or environment or diet. I don't know Maybe wearing a bra causes breast cancer? Although they don't think so.

    My point is that many of us lead healthy lives before diagnosis and we got BC anyway. I've been working with cancer for almost 40 years and I've gotten a different perspective now being a patient myself but the questions still remain.

    One thing I know for sure life is short. Enjoy it.



  • Jclc83
    Jclc83 Member Posts: 246
    edited February 2016

    But I am preaching to the choir. Sorry.

  • Gemma12
    Gemma12 Member Posts: 137
    edited February 2016

    I just watched this program on the Smithsonian Channel. It popped up on my Netflix queue. I though my DH might have put it there, but he said he didn't... maybe it was divine :). It looks at possibility that breasts are sentinel organs and all the chemical, etc are causing changes in breast development and high breast cancer rates. http://www.smithsonianchannel.com/shows/truly-stra...

    Speaking of links, I recently saw this on FB. It's an organization that provides free house cleaning services to cancer patients. I have a cleaning lady already (lucky me!) but maybe someone else could benefit from this. It's in the US and Canada. http://www.cleaningforareason.org

    Amy

  • Peachy2
    Peachy2 Member Posts: 350
    edited February 2016

    HH, so sorry to hear about your co-worker's passing.

    My high school graduating class turned 50 this year. Of those who are gone of the 279, we've lost two of the guys to sudden heart failures. On the girls' side, one to breast cancer, though three of us have now had it. In general, cancer seems to have affected the females more than the males, though it may be that the boys aren't posting about it on Facebook. Maybe this would be better if we hadn't chased the mosquito spray trucks in the 70s? Who knows.

  • Gemma12
    Gemma12 Member Posts: 137
    edited February 2016

    BTW, we still have mosquito trucks. They make a loud noise so you know to stay inside. Hopefully, it's not as toxic as it was in the 70s, but they are alive and well in the summer in the western suburbs of Chicago!

  • LovesToFly
    LovesToFly Member Posts: 1,133
    edited February 2016

    Life is absolutely short! But I do not mean to make it shorter! True that nobody knows really how or why we got cancer, but to me if there is reasonable evidence out there that something might reduce my chance of a recurrence, I'm going to try it. My dad had colon cancer a few years ago, it truly amazes me that he has not changed his diet at all. I don't bother him about it, he can make his own choices, and maybe at his age he feels like it doesn't matter as much. I don't know, he's not particularly old but he's got 25 years on me

    I think, because I've made so many changes to my life over the past few years, I look at these things differently. Life is short and I want to enjoy it, but I don't have to enjoy it the way I used to. If someone told me six years ago I would enjoy fruits and vegetables, I would enjoy running 5 km or going to a spin class or walking somewhere I could drive, that I would happily choose a salad over French fries, I would've told them they were on crack! All those things are true of me now, and living a healthy lifestyle is not a sacrifice for me. It doesn't make me enjoy life less, it makes me enjoy life more…I have more energy (and more fun!), I am fit, I am confident, I like the person I see in the mirror. All this was true before I got breast cancer, and I think it will be even more true once I'm done my treatment. During my treatment I am doing my best to keep up my healthy lifestyle, but obviously give myself a little bit of slack (I don't run anymore, but I still walk!)

    I don't mean to be this to be judgemental and I hope nobody takes it that way, everybody should live their life the way that is best for them, I'm just saying that in my experience, when I see things that say that life is too short to avoid that glass of wine or that chocolate cake… I don't feel like avoiding that glass of wine or chocolate cake is really making my life any of less pleasant, and if I can help make my life a little bit longer, that's a bonus.

    I'm going to share my before and after pictures, I think when you look at it it might be a bit easier to see why I feel this way. My life was definitely not better before! (The after picture is from 2014, but I still look like this minus the hair and with a slightly smaller right boob, and it's one of my favorites!)

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  • Jclc83
    Jclc83 Member Posts: 246
    edited February 2016

    I remember mosquito trucks in Chicago. Maybe they will more common now with the Zika virus. Mosquitos have always found me delicious.

    BC is so prevalent and devastating. There are so many kinds of cancer out there. It's all so sad.

    My current dilemma is about recurrence I suppose. I want to sell my house. But do I want to take on a new mortgage at my age? With my prognosis ? In the meantime I am slowly fixing it up ( thanks to DIL trashing it). But I don't know what to do. It's not easy to take my own advice lol.





  • Jclc83
    Jclc83 Member Posts: 246
    edited February 2016

    You look great LTF! And I totally agree with you. Do whatevermakes you happy and what makes sense to you.


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