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  • Sloan15
    Sloan15 Member Posts: 896
    edited February 2016

    MLP - I agree, I wanted my survival % to be higher, too. My deciding factor was that my Ki67 was 27%, which is very high. My MO had treated my mom with her very aggressive ovarian cancer, and he said, "You are not your mom, but we also don't know about all the genes and how they promote or fight cancer." So, since my mom's cancer was so aggressive and the weird thing about my tumor was it's high proliferation rate, we figured I might be one of those stats where chemo boosted the survival rate. And again, my second opinion asked me, "If u didn't do chemo and tbe cancer came back, would you have regrets?" Yep. So, I did chemo. Good luck with your decision. Take it all in, lay it all out, then you'll know what's best for you.

    Praline - I'm glad you are doing chemo. We'll help you through it.

  • justmaximom15
    justmaximom15 Member Posts: 264
    edited February 2016

    Praline, you can do this! Btw, I'm heading to New Orleans at the end of March with my 17 yr old. He's a history buff and I'm taking him to the WW II museum.

  • MLP3
    MLP3 Member Posts: 534
    edited February 2016

    First chemo booked for Feb 16th!

    They actually found "abundant LVI" and cancer cells heading over to my nodes! She said it's very aggressive.

    She did send out for the oncotype but is confident it will come back with an intermediate to high number. My PR is also at 50% which adds to things as well as finding grade 3 dcis and pre-cancer lesions.

    I'll have 4 treatments with two meds 3 weeks apart, month off then 4-6 weeks of rads. Followed by the delicious Tamoxifan for 5 years. The chemo is Adriamycin and Cytoxan. And it's vein infusions, no port.

    I'm happy to have a plan and my kids seem happy that I have a plan too. But I think they are secretly bummed out about my hair loss.


  • Molly50
    Molly50 Member Posts: 3,773
    edited February 2016

    I am so sad. One of my friends through an email group of parents with special needs kids announced a few months ago she has stage IV Breast Cancer. It was right before my diagnosis. We have been supportive of each other and I sent her here to BCO to check out the stage lV forums for encouragement. She has been really upbeat and positive the whole time. She recently said on FB that she might have mets to the basal ganglia. This was less than two weeks ago. Her husband just announced on FB that she is in a hospice facility and asleep 90% of the time due to sedation and for her friends to come say good bye. I am just stunned and sad. All during my rads sessions I would stop and pray in my car before going inside Sue was always the top of my prayer list in addition to two other real life friends with BC.

  • Molly50
    Molly50 Member Posts: 3,773
    edited February 2016

    MLP3, glad you have a plan. I assume you are going to be sent for a MUGA test for your heart before starting Adriamycin? With grade 3 I am glad you are getting chemo.

  • MLP3
    MLP3 Member Posts: 534
    edited February 2016

    so sorry Molly.

    I'll have an echocardiogram the am before the first treatment.

  • Peachy2
    Peachy2 Member Posts: 350
    edited February 2016

    Molly, so very sorry. Very sudden, and so sad for all.

    MLP, you are a woman with a plan, and you are going to be kickass!

  • bluedog
    bluedog Member Posts: 212
    edited February 2016
    Molly, so sorry. Such a stupid, horrible disease.
  • Jclc83
    Jclc83 Member Posts: 246
    edited February 2016

    MLP3 you will do great. It's a relief to finally get a plan and get started.

    So sorry about your friend Molly...hugs!

  • mairew
    mairew Member Posts: 84
    edited February 2016

    Molly, so sorry to read about your friend. Big hug.

    Sloan, what was your oncotype score? My Ki-67 is 30%.

    MLP, glad u have a plan in place

  • Brutersmom
    Brutersmom Member Posts: 563
    edited February 2016

    I'm so sorry to hear that. On a note of encouragement I have 3 friends stage IV and all of them are doing well. It is worrisome. One is considered cancer free. There is hope.

  • LovesToFly
    LovesToFly Member Posts: 1,133
    edited February 2016

    molly im so sorry.

    Mlp you've got this!


  • ayr1016
    ayr1016 Member Posts: 228
    edited February 2016

    Molly: So sad to hear about your friend. ((hugs))

    MLP: Hooray for having a plan! They do have the cold caps that are suppose to help save the hair. I have read a bit about it and I'm not sure I could keep up with all that is involved.

    How do you get the Ki-67 score? From the tumor after surgery? Or can you get it from the biopsy samples as well?

    My surgeon called me today and calmed my nerves about not knowing my plan. Apparently there *is* a plan, I was just not privy to it yet. The MO office called as well and I have an appointment tomorrow with my MO to answer all my questions about the neoadjuvant hormone therapy and to get a Lupron shot. Anyone else get (or got) Lupron shots? Any advice/SE/what to expect? I was kidding (sorta) and asked her where it will be injected. I honestly expected her to say hip or arm. Nope, right in the BUM. I am taking one of my best friends with me for notes, a recorder to record the visit, and all my questions written down and ready. My surgeon said the neoadjuvant hormone therapy would be about 3 months and said she wanted me to schedule an appointment with her in 2 months.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited February 2016

    Froggie, you might have some mobility problems (i.e., difficulty fastening a rear-close bra), so I would advise getting a couple of front-close sports bras for day and a couple of front-close leisure bras for sleep--that way you can have one of each ready while the other's in the wash. (If you are petite and small-busted, you may be able to step into a Genie-type bra). Your bras shouldn't have underwires until you're healed from the surgery (and probably radiation). You probably won't have much, if any, swelling, so I'd advise getting your normal size. I did get swelling from radiation, so I had to go up a band and cup size (from a 38I or J to 40H or I, depending on style) for support without leaving marks--but I was able to get back into underwires within a month after surgery and wore them all through radiation. (I am extremely large-busted, so no-wire options in nice colors are pretty limited). If you don’t have much of a belly, there are pretty and comfy velcro-fastening breast binders available. I bought a few in XL but they’re too small for my “midrange” (as opposed to “all about that bass”)--let me know via PM if those’ll help you.

    You should also have a bunch of front-closing tops & PJs/nightgowns (I didn't need mine but I'm an exception). Wear a front-close bra & top and easily pulled-on pants (yoga, sweat, or loose elastic-waist jeggings/leggings), plus shoes you can step into and out of without having to bend over.

    I was sent home in a way-too-small surgical bra, with little ice packs (re-freezable, the same kind I got after my biopsy) for both incisions. You will need to wear whatever bra they issue you for 24-48 hrs, until your first shower.

    If at all possible, do NOT drive yourself home! You won't feel like driving (nor will you be safe to yourself and others) for at least a couple of days, especially if you are on prescription pain meds. Try to get a friend or relative, arrange for a cab or Uber/Lyft down and maybe a medi-car back home. You should have someone with you! You have enough time to contact the hospital's social worker or your local chapter of the American Cancer Society to arrange transportation or even overnight lodging--perhaps even low-or-no-cost, depending on your resources.

  • MLP3
    MLP3 Member Posts: 534
    edited February 2016

    I got this LTF👍🏻

    Ayr- my mo said that ki67 can give false positives and she doesn't like the test.

    I asked about the cold caps and my mo is not a fan of them. She had one patient get frost bite on a significant area of her scalp and her hair never grew back in that area. She also had a patient that did it and it worked 75%. She was left with sparse haircover and ended up shaving it after a fight with insurance and $2k out of pocket. Both of these patients got the cold caps independently outside of Dana Farber.

    Things work so differently for many people, but Dana Farber does not offer them. I'm going to go with the opinion from one of the best cancer institutions in the world on this one;)

  • Peachy2
    Peachy2 Member Posts: 350
    edited February 2016

    MLP, that seems to be the party line on cold caps among MOs at Dana-Farber. Mine also said that they only work 50% of the time, and only save 50% of the hair. Frostbite that caused permanent bald spots - yikes! I'll take the temporary hair loss over that, thanks.

  • Praline
    Praline Member Posts: 115
    edited February 2016

    I had a post op appointment with my BS today. All went well. I have a seroma but he said not to worry about it... no pain, breast not hot to the touch, incision healed well,... He said he was surprised that the MO wanted to do Chemo. He said that they usually do not do chemo if mass is smaller than 8mm with clean margins and clean nodes. Also I am almost 75.

    ((((Molly)))) So sorry to hear about your friend. Sending prayers for pyu and her family.

    MLP Thanks for the welcome back. It sounds like you have a plan. My friend's daughter designed a pin with a ribbon that says " I've Got This". That sounds like you.

    justmaximom - Have fun in New Orleans. It is a fun place. Your son will love the WWII museum! It is amazing. Plan on spending a lot of time there. BUT please be very careful where you go at night. The crime rate in the last year has been horrible. If you are curious, check www.nola.com especially over the weekend.

    Peachy- Thanks for the poem... uplifting.

    Sloan and PontiacPeggy Thanks for the encouragement and vote of confidence.

  • MLP3
    MLP3 Member Posts: 534
    edited February 2016

    froggie- I echo chisandys excellent advice. I'm a c/d cup and just had my 2 week post op. The nurse told me that I have two more weeks of keeping the girls from bouncing so that I don't have overlapping tissue issues and that I continue to heal nicely. But... She was so impressed with my healing. I've been in a bra 24/7 since surgery, I used ice religiously for the first two days and babied myself the first two days as well.

    I bought large genie bras and have 3 front closure that I got at the hospital. After a week and after I had ample arm movement, I put on a sports bra and things felt much more secure. I.E., no bouncing, minimal movement and lessened pain. Now I wear sports bras by day and genie n front closure by night to sleep in. I've trained myself to be a back sleeper but if I roll in the middle of the night, the bra helps minimize a pulling sensation. I also tuck my comforter between the girls if I need to sleep on my good side.

    Heal well 🐸

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited February 2016

    Molly, so sorry about your friend.

    Kathy, neoadjuvant letrozole works for ER+ tumors--do you know your DCIS' receptor status?

    Praline, with a Fri 2/12 surgery date, at least you can get sloshed for Mardi Gras (the upside of not being ER+). Unfortunately, you don’t get a free pass on Ash Wednesday (unless, like me, you’re Jewish).

    Teresa, I used to despair of finding bras that fit me, looked pretty, and supported properly. (I still dream of being reduced to a DD cup)! I had an epiphany when I saw a rep from Intimacy (now Rigby & Peller) on the old Oprah show. She declared most women are wearing the wrong size bra: average is two bands too large and two cups too small, mainly because most mass-market retailers (discount & dept. stores) only sell and popular mfrs (Playtex, Bali, Olga, Maidenform, Wacoal, etc.) only make bras up to DDD--so in order to “contain the girls" most women have to get a band that rides up & fails to support. (Actual cup volume increases with each band size up--e.g., a 44DDD has the same size cup as a 40 H or 38I). I bought a couple of bras there and from then on have purchased much more cheaply online mostly from HerRoom.com. BareNecessities.com and Figleaves.com (the latter a UK firm). Not only do my bras fit perfectly, feel good and support well--they're in a rainbow of pretty colors & sexy styles--though I've had to store away those plunge, demi & balconnet bras until my seroma shrinks). Look for European brands like Fantasie, Elomi, Goddess, Prima Donna (that brand you want as Valentine's Day or anniv. presents), LeMystere, Freya, Curvy Kate and Panache; Wacoal now makes some underwires up to G & H cups. For non-wired, try Glamorise (a bit cheaper). For sleep/leisure, Leading Lady (very inexpensive). There's a non-wired super-supportive brand called Elila, but their fabric is too stiff & heavy, the lace trim too scratchy, the necklines too high, the adjustable straps so long you have to cut the ends.

    There is a brave new world out there for us busty women, beyond beige/white/black!

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited February 2016

    Just a thought: Wouldn't it be nice if bra band sizes reflected your actual chest measurement rather than having to add 4", 5" or whatever? And why in the hell did some idiot decide that was the way to do bra sizes? Cup sizes seem to make some sort of sense. End rant.

    Good luck ladies. Molly, so very sorry about your friend. I have friend who has mets to her organs and is starting chemo again. She's definitely Stage 4. She is such a positive person, very inspirational.

    HUGS!

  • HappyHammer
    HappyHammer Member Posts: 1,247
    edited February 2016

    MLP-so sorry you are in the chemo club but...know it gives you more fighting power against YOUR cancer...you are punching it in the face and then....KICKING it to the curb. Hair is hard to lose but will grow back and as LTFly has modeled among others- there are so many wigs to rock... you can ands you WILL! In your pocket!

  • HappyHammer
    HappyHammer Member Posts: 1,247
    edited February 2016

    Trying not to freak out tonight but..I have a very swollen area- prob a node- between my neck and collarbone on BC side...just popped up. Thought I was over reacting. DH came home and after supper I asked him to look at the area and if he noticed anything. He looked and felt and then asked about calling doc....dammit, dammit, dammit!

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited February 2016

    HH, here’s hoping it’s only an infection--when I was still pre-menopausal, my nodes used to swell just before my periods. Also, I used to get a swollen node whenever I had a large zit or sebaceous cyst, or even a cold coming on.

  • Praline
    Praline Member Posts: 115
    edited February 2016

    ChiSandy- I am not having surgery February 12, I am starting chemo. Can I still get sloshed for Mardi Gras or does that make a difference?lol

    Also please explain your comment about " the upside of not being ER+" regarding to getting sloshed. You lost me there.

    And no I am not Jewish. I am catholic so Ash Wednesday is not a party day. I am sure it is a " get over hangover day" for a lot of people around here.

  • ayr1016
    ayr1016 Member Posts: 228
    edited February 2016

    I have been looking online at the Genie bras. Do the front closure only have zippers or do some of them have clips? Are they true to size? I was hoping to find them somewhere locally so I can see them in person, but I have not found a store yet.


  • HappyHammer
    HappyHammer Member Posts: 1,247
    edited February 2016

    Molly- SO very sorry about your friend. Bluedog is right...stupid, horrible disease.

  • LovesToFly
    LovesToFly Member Posts: 1,133
    edited February 2016

    I decided not to cold-cap, mostly because even with a little shedding, I would not be happy. My hair is very fine and thin, if I lost even a bit of it, it would look like crap and I would feel like I had to cover it, I didn't want to spend $2000 for that. Chemo Clinic was also not particularly supportive of it, it seems like a lot of effort especially if the nurses were not going to help with it at all.

    Actually posted about going bald on my blog today, I've gotten so many positive responses, and it's being shared all over Facebook! I'm viral!

    https://fancypansy.wordpress.com/2016/02/04/beauty...


    Regards to bras, I am an F cup. I refuse to wear ugly bras, I actually wear all matching sets! I get most of them online from European sellers, panache and Freya are my favorite brands. I know my size and the cup types that work for me, so I just order the same cups types and size inlots of pretty patterns! Before I started doing that, I used to call my bras "orthopaedic shoes for tits"

  • Molly50
    Molly50 Member Posts: 3,773
    edited February 2016

    HH, praying it's just inflammation. Praline, you are triple negative. How do you feel about chemo at your age? There was another woman your age who is TN and she started out not wanting any treatment and I think ended up with lumpectomy and chemo. You can look her up, her screen name is Trill. Froggie, are you going to have drains? If so get a lanyard to hang around your neck for showering and if you have time order some pink pockets to attach to your shirts. Thanks everyone for your sympathy. I really don't know how her husband is going to manage but somehow we get through don't we?

  • HappyHammer
    HappyHammer Member Posts: 1,247
    edited February 2016

    LTFly- You are viral...love it! You are the BOMB!

  • Molly50
    Molly50 Member Posts: 3,773
    edited February 2016

    LTFly, nnice blog post! I thought I was the only one who thought briefly that my vanity brought me cancer. I was very proud of my breasts. They were really nice especially for a 50 something year old woman. Now I just don't care.

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