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  • LovesToFly
    LovesToFly Member Posts: 1,133
    edited January 2016

    sloan, I missed the post about your son.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited January 2016

    614, glad to be here for you through the massive challenges you face. I marvel at your strength, determination & ingenuity.

    Jill, Sloan--I SO wish I could run! Haven’t been able to since I tore my left ACL in ’94 and couldn’t have it rebuilt. Now I have no ACLs or PCLs in either knee, as their replacement procedures were “cruciate-sacrificing.” That means that only my quads support my knees, and no matter how strong, they’re not as strong as ligaments. Not just that, but I have been admonished that impact and pivoting exercise could cause the prostheses to loosen and necessitate revision surgery as much as a decade earlier than expected. So no running, jogging, tennis, raquetball, skipping, jumping rope, downhill skiing, basketball, etc. (All the good stuff that’s supposed to strengthen long bones). In my dreams, I still run to catch the bus or down the stairs--without a banister.

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited January 2016

    You all have such wonderful, inspirational passions: exercising, music, children, meditation. And then there's me: get the damn house decluttered, downsized and ready to put up for sale March 1st. Not sure what you'd call that. My passion is to be living in Spokane 6 months from now!

    I'm in your pockets everyone who has procedures of any kind this week. Like everyone else, I'm not able to keep track of them, but I am reading and thinking about you.

    614, Hugs!

    Everyone: Loads of love and hugs! I think you all need them!

    HUGS!

  • Brightsocks
    Brightsocks Member Posts: 159
    edited January 2016

    614- That is my concern about the radiation. I have been reading studies on my type of cancer and placing it into the odds programs. So far I am finding radiation will not be used and without hormones I will live 2 months less. Tomorrow I will meet with my RO for the first time. What is it like when you meet with a RO? Do they present the odds of all types of invasive or by cancer type?

  • Brightsocks
    Brightsocks Member Posts: 159
    edited January 2016

    Hi Ladies- I am not sure if this will work? I see many ladies are talking about chemo brain. So I did a search to see if there is anything that might help. I came across the term Super Brain Yoga. I am now going to try this for it is so easy and you can do it at home. Just search for those words and you can see what I am talking about. It would be interesting to see if it helps.

  • Sloan15
    Sloan15 Member Posts: 896
    edited January 2016

    Peggy - I'm thinking passion is what you make it! If it feels good to declutter, do it. I love to organize. I could putter in a closet for days! I think having short term goals in life, like moving to Spokane, keep us going. At least they keep me going. I read an article about a study looking at where people who want to move are actually happier when they do move. The study concluded the obvious: yes, they're happier because that is where they want to be! Even the time leading up to the move mskes them happy with anticipation. So, I wish you lots and lots of de-cluttering happiness! HUGS

    614 - My son is 10 years brain tumor free. He just graduated from Univ of California Davis, and he's working on his hours to get into PA school. I was a single mom at the time, so I really believe that people have now strength than they realize. Molly and I talked about our kids when we met up in LA, and I truly believe that mothers would easily trade their lives so their kids could live. You're a great mom for picking up the slack and being able to remember favorites like pumpkin pie. It's the day to day stability that makes kids come out okay on the other end. You. Are. A. Great. Mom.


  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited January 2016

    When I met with my RO for the first time, he explained the the results of the trial in which he participated and was recently completed: in women >60 who are at least 5 yrs postmenopausal, and who are in stage 1A (with tumor size 1.5cm or smaller), short (15-session) protocol of high-dose rads to just the tumor cavity proved to have identical long-term survival to that of the standard-dose 33-tx whole-breast protocol--and with fewer or milder SEs. He said I was a candidate, especially because of the location of my tumor (10:00 on the R breast). His predictions turned out to be correct, except that my mammary seroma became more enlarged and the tissue encapsulating it fibrosed more than expected. But seeing as how I had NO fatigue and NO discomfort or skin problems, I'll take it, despite now developing what appears to be subclinical-to-mild LE. I suspect, though, it wouldn't have been triggered had I not been mildly-to-moderately obese (BMI>32). But we don't get the gift of hindsight: until last Aug., I had no idea I was at risk for bc, especially after so many dead-bang-normal annual mammograms and no family hx. Until then, I thought the only risks my obesity carried were to my endurance and my vanity, and that going from a BMI of nearly 40 down to 34 was accomplishment enough.

  • Brightsocks
    Brightsocks Member Posts: 159
    edited January 2016

    ChiSandy- Thank you for sharing your RO experience I like to know what I will be walking into tomorrow morning.

  • 614
    614 Member Posts: 851
    edited January 2016


    Dear Everyone:

    Thank you again for all of your support.

    One thing that I have learned is that we much all advocate for ourselves.  We must be informed and ask questions.  We must insist that our doctors listen to our concerns and that our questions are answered in a satisfactory manner.  I have realized that I can always count on myself.  My mother has been invaluable to me throughout my bc ordeal.  I am so fortunate to have her.  I also have terrific children, wonderful friends, a great brother, and a compassionate boyfriend.  My support system is strong.  That has been a huge help to me.

    Dear Brightsocks:

    The first person whom I met when I went for my RO appointment was a fantastic Physician's Assistant.  She spent an hour with me going over the tx plan.  At the time, I thought that I would be having rads in Florida where I live, rather than at M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston TX.  She still spent time with me, even though I told her that I would not be using her office for rads.  After meeting with her, my terrific RO came into the examining room.  He answered even more questions and spent a lot of time with me.  I am sorry but I do not remember all of the specifics because I had just had my lx surgery less than 1 week prior.  What I do remember is that they drilled into my head that rads is a 1 shot deal and that all breast tissue must be radiated without radiating the heart and lungs.  My bc was on my left side which makes rads more difficult.  They actually spent time with me going over questions that I should ask radiologists in Florida.  (I was a candidate for whole breast rads only.  There are other types of rads.) 

    When I went to the first RO in Florida, he answered all of my questions and said that he would take my case to the team.  A few days later, I got a call from a bs (who performed a biopsy for me a few years prior so I knew him) who asked me when I wanted to schedule my BMX.  I said, "What BMX.  I just had a double lx, breast reduction, and a breast lift.  He told me to speak with the RO in Florida.  The RO in FL called me the next day and I heard him say, "You need a BMX or your bc will definitely recur."   He could not possibly have said that but that is what I heard.  He must have said that there is a good chance that it will recur.  (Extraordinarily stressful phone call!)

    I called the Physician's Assistant in Texas and she calmed my fears.  She asked my Texas RO and my BS and she told me that both my RO and BS said that I did not need a BMX.  My BS said that she would be happy to perform a BMX if I wanted one, but she felt that would be "barbaric".  However, I was still waiting for my genetic test results to come back so if I tested positive, I would have had a BMX.  Luckily, I was negative, aside from my Variable of Unknown Significance (VUS).  MY RO and BS felt that the lx plus rads and Arimidex/Anastrazole would be appropriate tx plus high surveillance and MO appts.

    I went to another RO in Florida.  He seemed great.  I called the PA in Texas.  She said that the type of rads that he suggested (I forgot the name) is extremely expensive and gives too much radiation to breast tissue.  She said that I should not have that tx because I may have side effects down the road. That is when I made the decision to have my rads at M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, TX.  I had wanted to have rads in Florida so that I would not have had to take off of work.  My colleague was dealing with a cancer dx with her fiance and I did not want to be out of work at the same time that she was out. Her fiance died in 3 months from his dx.  It was awful.  It turns out that my insurance co. would have paid for the higher priced rads until I reached my cap.  Then, I would have been responsible for the payments.  Thank God that I decided to have my tx in Texas.  I would have reached my cap in 1 tx and then I would have been bankrupted.  I already struggle so much financially. 

    My PA walked me through the process every step of the way prior to my rads.  She was a lifesaver.  After Rads, My RO has called me several times to make sure that I am ok.  (Since my RO ended in October 2014, I had a biopsy in May 2015 and another biopsy in November 2015.)  My RO looked at my MRI, Mammo, and Sono images from May and gave me a second opinion.  He called me and spent time on the phone with me.  He also called me again when I was scheduling my f/u in Texas in November.  My RO and PA in Texas truly saved my life from both a mental and physical perspective.

    In addition, my RO said that I had breast tissue that wrapped around my side.  He had never seen that before.  He gave a presentation to other M.D. Anderson Cancer Center RO's about how to radiate patients such as me.  I am so glad that I had all of my tx in Texas.

    Good luck to you Brightsocks.  Sorry about the long winded explanation.  However, the choice of RO is one of the most important decisions that you will make.  If the RO does not do the rads correctly then it will impact the rest of your life.  A skilled RO is crucial.

  • Sloan15
    Sloan15 Member Posts: 896
    edited January 2016

    Chisandy - That IS an accomplishment. Don't poo poo that! It's so hard, and you did it. I am trying to lose weight so my Tamoxifen will work better, but it's so hard! Bmi 27/28 trying to get under 25, but sweets keep calling me. Fortunately, the rest of the day I eat mostly vegetarian and no white flour. But, I won't lie, it's hard. That's why I had to start running because I've walked 4 miles a day for YEARS, but my weight crept up when I was perimenopausal. My doc said for me, my risk factor is weight (the body fat increases estradiol discussion last month). So, you should be proud of your accomplishment! It motivates me that it can be done.

  • MLP3
    MLP3 Member Posts: 534
    edited January 2016

    brightsocks- I'll be in your pocket tomorrow. Please share afterwards. I meet with my MO Thursday for post op and surgery outcome. It's funny, but Dana farber doesn't assign you an RO. Mgh did.

    614- Happy Birthday to your son🎉🎂 my son is 17, middle is 21 and a jr in college and oldest 22 in grad school. All great kids and super driven. I divorced their biological father when they were 7,5 and 2. He was becoming a highly functional prescription pill addict while running the family business... Funny how they think that just because they have money, they're fine. I also caught him having an affair with a much younger woman who was not attractive at all! Long story short... I was in and out of court at least once a month. No lie. He was a control freak and thought that if he couldn't control me as my husband, he would withhold child support, not drop off the kids on time, not show up to pick up, etc... I eventually remarried to a wonderful man who actually adopted my 3 kids 8 years ago. Their biological father gave them up for a life of drugs and what he called "fun". He physically abused his second wife, is now married to a 28 year old polish mail order bride and he's in jail! I'm not sure what for. I'm thinking I got out at just the right time!

    We all draw strength from somewhere. But I think that my situation and the 10 years of fighting that monster has helped me find my strength and look at life in a more meaningful way. Maybe it's helped me stay strong throughout this ordeal...? who knows. But 614, it sounds as though you are mentally tough, a great mom and a better person for tolerating your ex when he still owes you money. That just fries my ass that they do that. It's not hurting you as they want it to, it's hurting the kids.


  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited January 2016

    Sloan, I think that study may be right. I was not exactly depressed after DH died in Sept - I was still quite exhausted - but I was just not doing much of anything. I did get his clothing sorted out and donated. Then I realized that I actually had to be near one of the boys. It was too hard on them having us so far away and travelling to help with their dad when he was in hospice. If I were closer to one of them, at least that would be a bit easier for them. And once I decided that, I felt so much better. I am going to be starting a whole new life and I'm so excited about it. I actually get to be a MIL for the first time on a full-time basis! My DIL in Spokane laughed when I said that. I'm blessed with 2 great DILs! Sons aren't bad either :) If there are any BCO'ers in the Spokane area, let me know! I've connected with a BC survivor who is a relative of Octogirl so have one non-family friend!

    As for rads, I am not sure that there were choices for me. I adore my RO, his PA, and staff. IIRC, for my initial 2 hour visit, I saw him, they checked to see if I was a candidate for the "breath-holding" variety of rads (nope), they did lots of x-rays and gave me my tats. Then I was good to go. A teeny bit of pinkness and that was it. Can't attribute exhaustion to them since I was exhausted prior to starting them.

    HUGS!

  • 614
    614 Member Posts: 851
    edited February 2016

    Dear MLP:

    You and your children are so lucky that your X gave up his parental rights so that your new husband could adopt them. Your new husband sounds like a wonderful man.  You did get out in the nick of time and thank God that your X did not abuse you.  Your kids and mine are all near the same age.  Your kids sound terrific.

    Good luck getting your results soon.

    I would love to be skiing with you.  My family and I always went skiing in Vermont as I was growing up. It is so much fun.  When we became adults, my brother and I ran ski tours as guides (weekend job) so that we could ski for free and not have to drive from Long Island, NY to the ski areas. That was great.

    My x-husband and I get along.  It is much better for our chilodren.   My x is not withholding money from me because he is trying to get back at me.  He does not have money because he made many poor decisions in his life and therefore, he does not give me the child support that he owes to me.  I am MUCH better off without him.  He cheated on me and he did not treat me well.  It has been a hard road but my life is much better as a single parent than it would have been if I had remained married to my x-husband.  I was with him for 17 years but married for 12 and living together for 15 years.

    I am so thankful for my wonderful children.  I am so lucky.  My divorce was extremely difficult but it definitely made me a much stronger person.  I will never let myself be treated poorly again.

    Dear Brightsocks:

    Good luck tomorrow.

    Dear ChiSandy:

    Good luck on losing the weight.  Good luck to you Sloan.  Good for you that you are running.

    Dear Peggy:

    It must have been so difficult to care for your DH, especially while being dx and treated for bc.  I am so sorry for your loss.  That is devastating.  I am glad that you will be moving near your children and that you will be able to be a full time MIL.  Your daughters in law are so lucky to have you as their MIL.  We are all lucky that you will be President and that you are on this Thread.  LOL

    Problem:

    My son is thrilled that I made the pumpkin pie for his birthday.  Unfortunately, I am now eating the pumpkin pie! I have gained so much weight from the medically induced menopause, from taking the Arimidex/Anastrazole, and mostly from job stress and eating all of my meals at work due to the long hours.  I realize that I should not have made the pumpkin pie because I apparently, have no will power when it comes to homemade pumpkin pie.  I am glad that I am now walking during my lunch break at work.

    HUGS to everyone.


     

  • octogirl
    octogirl Member Posts: 2,804
    edited February 2016

    Peggy, you continue to be an inspiration to me! (as do all of you strong women!)...one thing I've realized post bc is that I really want to fully live my life, and I want very badly to retire from my current job, maybe work part time or consult, but mostly spend more time doing what matters most to me: time with the grandkids and travel!

    It has been a bit of work to convince hubby of the wisdom of this thinking (he is worried about paying the bills if we retire, but I think we are ready financially)...but I think I have him convinced. However, I want to plan ahead, so the actual date is probably still two years away. So.....we need to decide where we want to be eventually...Staying where we are makes sense in some ways...but we are really here for work, and in any case hubby wants to move closer to the ocean. and of course, as Octogirl, I see the wisdom in that! Unfortunately, DD and the grandkids live in an expensive coastal area....DS, while he has no kids yet, probably will within a few years...but he is likely to stay on the east coast. Personally, I love New England and would move there, hubby wants no part of it. So...most of the coastal options take us further from grandkids, not closer. Still, no matter where we are, seeing one set of grandkids is likely to mean a cross country trip if we live near the other (and no, no midwest for me. that much I know!)

    Point is, now that we have a when we have some thinking and talking to do about the where. And we've agreed to do a bit of exploring of top possible places this summer...but honestly, it is fun to contemplate. I know once we definitely decide on where to end up, the moving will be fun. (even if we do end of staying put and possibly downsizing to a smaller home...)

    Hugs to all

    Octogirl

  • 614
    614 Member Posts: 851
    edited February 2016

    Dear Octogirl:

    Congratulations on your decision to retire in 2 years.  I am happy for you that your husband is in agreement with you.  Have fun figuring out where to move to.

  • Sloan15
    Sloan15 Member Posts: 896
    edited February 2016

    Octogirl - I posted my hair how to in the hair thread. My hair is about 1 1/4 inches now (yay) and curly as ever. If yours gets curly, I hope these tips help!

    Anyone want me to post how to tame your hair in this thread?

    Chisandy -Hey, I just realized that I'm an expert in hair taming!

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited February 2016

    Octogirl, very wise to plan ahead. DH retired at 62 due to his Parkinson's (though we didn't realize what it was at the time). He was quite ready. I wanted to work until I dropped. I had a job I loved. Then the economy tanked and I was laid off. Dear boss (who was and is a great friend) found me another job and that lasted a year and a half. Then I was laid off from that one. I had been laid off 2 months when DH had a widow-maker heart attack and that ended life as we knew it. We never got to travel in our retirement. Please ladies, ENJOY LIFE!! I understand all the obligations you younger gals have. But for those of us who are older, do not let the opportunities slip away. End Sermon!

    HUGS!

  • HappyHammer
    HappyHammer Member Posts: 1,247
    edited February 2016

    Sloan....how to tame the hair? Yes! I actually almost have a Mohawk at 4 months out of chemo....still doing Herceptin every 3 weeks so that slows things down...found my nose hair after the new glasses and now actually have arm and...well, every where else hair. The hair on my head isn't as thick as before and is growing in every direction possible...is that what curly hair does??? Anyway- am hoping for wash and wear hair and any suggestions....go ahead- PLEASE!

  • HappyHammer
    HappyHammer Member Posts: 1,247
    edited February 2016

    Sloan- me too...missed the post about your son. And, somehow missed the details about your son, Molly?

  • ayr1016
    ayr1016 Member Posts: 228
    edited February 2016

    Thank you ladies for sharing your stories of becoming single moms. I was a stay at home mom for 13 years before I left. I had to leave to be able to be happy. It was a miserable life for me (no physical abuse or cheating - but instead disrespect, belittling, and mental abuse). That was 9 years ago and up until my diagnosis, the most brave thing I have ever done in my life (leaving with 3 young children). He has been a "you know what to me" since I left all through these past 9 years. Still disrepectful, still belitting, and still mentalling trying to do this thing. It took Cancer for him to say a kind word to me (finally). A little to late buddy.

    Peggy: Hope the packing is going well. I finally was able to buy my own (all by myself, yay!!) house this past November. I was so proud of myself. Then, less than a month later, I got the C news. I still haven't hung all my pictures or done a lot of decorating. I'm determined to do it soon. Maybe that will keep my busy during treatment. Moving is hard! So happy to hear you get to be close to your boy (or is it both boys?) though. I'm really close to my oldest daughter and it pains me to think of ever living far from her. My youngest daughter is a free spirit, so I know that is a given, she will travel and float around the world when she is able. Hopefully, my son will continue to be a mom's boy (is that terrible?? lol) and never go far either. Oh, I sound horrible. I need to get a hobby ;)

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited February 2016

    Ayr1016, I'll be living near just one son. The other lives in San Diego. I'd love to live there but there's a little thing called $$$$$$$$$. So I'll just visit him. Congratulations on buying your home! Quite the achievement. Getting totally unpacked and decorating should be nice distractions for you. Mama's boys are good!

    HUGS!

  • Molly50
    Molly50 Member Posts: 3,773
    edited February 2016

    Hi everyone, been busy with home and caring for DS. I left my fitbit off by mistake yesterday so I looked really lazy lol. I actually got to attend church this morning and we had a special prayer for DS because today is the anniversary of his encephalitis. 17 years have flown by.

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited February 2016

    Molly, I suspect that even though the years have flown by, the days didn't.

    HUGS!

  • Sloan15
    Sloan15 Member Posts: 896
    edited February 2016

    Peggy - Good sermon. Hugs.

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited February 2016

    Thanks, Sloan. I know about missed opportunities (as do most of us) :(

    HUGS!

  • Sloan15
    Sloan15 Member Posts: 896
    edited February 2016

    Peggy -The important thing to focus on now is that you decided to do what you really wanted to do. That's a nice thought.

  • Sloan15
    Sloan15 Member Posts: 896
    edited February 2016

    Molly - Special thoughts for you and your son today.... ((Hugs))

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited February 2016

    Sloan, absolutely right. I really do want to do this move. It's very nice. And seems strange that my opinion is the only one that matters (after 49 years).

    HUGS!

  • Sloan15
    Sloan15 Member Posts: 896
    edited February 2016

    HOW TO SLICK DOWN FRIZZY CHEMO HAIR

    You'll need 1) foaming wrap lotion (I used Motions, but any kind is good), 2) something to wrap it tight and flat in like a bandana, foam tape, or wrap strips (I like Wrap It strips), 3) scarf or velcro wrap cap to hold it in place.

    This is what my hair is like if I don't tame it:

    image

    ...and the untamed back...

    image

    So, I'm washing with baby shampoo, conditioning with kerastase, and then wraping it to straighten it. You put 3-4 pumps of a foaming wrap lotion on clean conditioned hair. I used a foaming wrap lotion by Motions, but you can get some at any store in the multicultural hair products section. If you do have really dry hair, you might consider a leave in conditioner before the foam.

    Here's the picture when I slicked down my hair with the foam. Actually, I put more on and got it really straight.

    Flatten it so it's really straight. Seriously, you have to slick it down.

    image

    Next, I used wrap strips. You can get a box of them for $5 or you can use a bandana or velcro wrap. You have to wrap it REALLY flat and snug to get it to dry flat.

    image

    Then, I put a scarf on to hold it (or a velcro wrap cap or satin cap).

    It takes my hair about 20 min to dry, so I go get dressed and put on eye make, whatever. Then, you remove the wraps and it's really slicked down.

    It'll be too flat like this.

    image

    So, you'll need to fluff it a little.

    It's so soft if I wrap it, but wiry if I don't!

    I brush it with my finger tips to give it a little volume, add a little Crew pomade or BioSilk to make it shinny, add big earings. Done in 30 minutes.

    Tah dah!

    image

    I can get ready faster than my husband with my short haircut!

  • Molly50
    Molly50 Member Posts: 3,773
    edited February 2016

    and you are much prettier, too!!

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