But I Don't Feel Sick!

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NY30
NY30 Member Posts: 27

Just having a momentary freak out about starting chemo on Monday and need to vent.

Had my first PET scan this week, which great news came back completely clear! Only some inflammation around the surgical site, but to be expected.

I just got full range of motion back after the surgery, and I'm through the egg harvesting portion of this American Ninja Style obstacle course.

But chemo...

I currently feel perfectly healthy! (Well then, I guess I did when I felt the lump, so I know that doesn't mean anything...) But my scan was clear! And blood work all good! And Monday I feel as if I'm volunteering to let people inject me with the most toxic poison for the next 20 weeks and subject myself to all sorts of prodding and research (starting to get that trapped rat feeling) and it's really hard to wrap my head around why. I keep telling myself (and friends/family) it's like a course of antibiotics, and you need to trust that they know that it works.

I know it's microscopic and that I had lymphovascular invasion, and I know this is the best/proven option right now to blast it before it shows up somewhere else. But man! As I hear more and more side effects and potential complications, and try to envision what my life is going to be like during and after, it's just really become a hard thing to wrap my brain around.

Anyone else just feeling like this feels completely counterintuitive? Any words of encouragement from those who have gone through it?

Best,
Tara.

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  • ElaineTherese
    ElaineTherese Member Posts: 3,328
    edited January 2016

    Hi Tara!

    I had five months of chemo, and that was before I even got my operation. I was NOT thrilled when neoadjuvant chemo was the recommended treatment. But, it wasn't as bad as expected. These days, most medical oncologists (MOs) are aware of the potential side effects and try to address them so we finish our treatment. My MO's office always has an MO on-call, and I was encouraged to call if any of my side effects were unbearable or troubling (fever of 101 and above). I never puked, and I managed to work through chemo. I know that not every woman is as fortunate, but I found chemo to be doable. I hope you do, too! Gentle hugs, and I hope that you make it through chemo with few side effects!

  • NY30
    NY30 Member Posts: 27
    edited January 2016

    Thank you so much ElaineTherese. Looks like you had almost exactly the same regimen I'm heading in for (ACx4, Taxolx12) so here's hoping I make it through in a similar fashion!

    I went to the oncological dermatologist this morning to address some dry scalp issues before losing my hair (before this had almost been looking forward to shaving it, made a date with my boyfriend the night before my 2nd treatment to do so!) and ended up walking out feeling hit by a truck with horror stories of what to expect (think the nails falling off and the use of the word "puss" just put me over the edge.) I believe that and a fairly "exciting" attempt at getting a good vein for my PET the other day where three people made some serious judgement eyebrows about my lack of port after one of them infiltrated my vein with yes, the radioactive injection, just kicked me into a full on panic mode!

    Thank you again for your comments. Breathing a little easier.


  • mustlovepoodles
    mustlovepoodles Member Posts: 2,825
    edited January 2016

    I do understand the feeling. It was hard for me to accept that I would need poison to treat my BC. Mostly, I was scared of the side effects. All I knew about chemo was that you lose all your hair and the puke all the time.

    Well, I'm happy to report that there has been no puking! I lost most of my hair but I got a rockin' wig and the hair is growing back now. I did opt for a port, which was so very NOT a big deal. They can't use my right arm because I had lymph nodes removed and I have terrible veins in my "good" arm. Just seeing how hard it is for them to get routine labs, I figured I might as well sign up for the port-- I sure didn't want chemo getting loose in my arm!

    As far as side effects, they weren't too bad for the most part. In fact, actually getting the chemo was a piece of cake--it was painless and I was able to complete my work on my laptop while the poison did its job. Of course, about 3-4 days later, the fatigue would set in and my taste buds changed for about 10 days. I ran fever a couple times and had to go to the ER. But, mostly my life went on.

    I am fortunate to be able to work from home a lot, and to have a very understanding boss. As such, I have only had to take about 5-6 sick days since Oct. If I had to work with children on a daily basis, I would probably have had to take more time off to protect my health.

    I hope it goes well for you. I just wanted to give you encouragement. I hope it goes well for you.

  • NY30
    NY30 Member Posts: 27
    edited January 2016

    Thank you so much MustLovePoodles, I really appreciate it! Feeling 1,000x better just hearing from you guys.

    I work from home as well (have my own consultancy) so nice to know it's worthwhile to bring the laptop in and get some work done from the hot seat!

    I have the exact same issue with the lymph nodes on the right and less than stellar veins in my left, so thought for sure from all my reading that with 16 total cycles I'd have a port. However, as of now my MO is still recommending IV, so hopefully the phlebotomists in the "infusion suite" are as good as she says they are!



  • Skittlegirl
    Skittlegirl Member Posts: 428
    edited January 2016

    It was hard to tell my kids that I was sick when I didn't feel or look sick before chemo.

    Benadryl was part of my chemo pre-meds, so I learned that pretty much once the Benadryl hit I had no ability to concentrate and just spent the time watching tv or napping.

  • Nancy2581
    Nancy2581 Member Posts: 1,234
    edited January 2016

    Hi Tara

    I completely get that feeling. When I found out I had to do chemo I was like no flippin' way. I'm not poisoning my body forget it. But you know what? Doing chemo actually gives me piece of mind now. Yep I hated losing my hair and having that port put in - really made me feel like a cancer patient. To my surprise I handled chemo very well. My onc said I breezed through it lol. I still managed to walk my two 75 lb labs twice a day. I was scared to death for my first chemo, but after that it was fine. My hair has grown back now and I feel great. No lasting side effects. Hang in there Tara you can do this!

    Hugs

    Nancy

  • NY30
    NY30 Member Posts: 27
    edited January 2016

    Thanks so much Nancy! Looking forward to some peace of mind and taking my vizsla out for some long walks!

    @Skittlegirl: I can't even imagine. One of the few times I lost it was when my friend's 5-year-old innocently asked me "So you're really sick?" It's definitely a hard one to answer when you know in your mind that you are, but don't feel it at all!

  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited January 2016

    As for your nails, I lost all of mine. Toes too. No puss, infection, anything. The worst part of that was trying to scratch an itch, or pick up something. They have grown back fine.

    Some of the ladies say ice on the nails during chemo helps prevent loss. Same with cold capping for your hair I didn't know about these options, or would have tried. There are discussions here about cold capping.

    And don't be surprised and freaked when you loose ALL your hair. Eyebrows, lashes, lady parts. No shaving legs and pits for a while.

  • ksusan
    ksusan Member Posts: 4,505
    edited January 2016

    It's good to look at the chemo forum. People's experience varies widely.

    My cancer was non-palpable and I also felt fine. However, it was clear I had to have surgery (bilateral mastectomy because of its placement in each breast--"But I feel fine! That seems excessive!"), chemo ("Really? I still feel fine"), radiation (ditto) and tamoxifen (...). Sometimes you go with knowledge rather than sensation.

  • Beatmon
    Beatmon Member Posts: 1,562
    edited January 2016

    If they have trouble with your iv placement the first treatment, insist on a port! A few days of surgical soreness is much better than worrying about an iv and especially about infiltration. You do hear about ladies that make it without a port. I love mine, but I'm on the "forever" regimen.

    Good luck

  • Spookiesmom
    Spookiesmom Member Posts: 9,568
    edited January 2016

    I'm not on the forever plan, but still have my port.I'd insist on getting one, makes chemo SOOOOO much easier.

  • sbelizabeth
    sbelizabeth Member Posts: 2,889
    edited January 2016

    Everyone is different. I found chemo was completely do-able, without the "movie chemo" scenarios of people puking nonstop. The drugs used today are so wonderfully effective. I never had one moment of nausea.

    I had six "rounds" of TAC--the big guns. I always got my infusion on a Wednesday, and took Thursday and Friday off work. Thursday was just my reward for being a good girl and taking my medicine, because I felt completely fine. Friday I felt muddle-headed, like my brain had turned into wet cotton. A little like I had the flu, without the fever and cough. Saturday was better, Sunday was fine, and Monday morning I was back to work full time. And I rode my bicycle EVERY DAY. Even on "chemo-Fridays" I got out for a gentle ride. I think getting out and staying active helped tremendously.

    The whole bald thing was an interesting experience. I sort of enjoyed it, although I know I would feel differently had I not known it would grow back after treatment. I wore a wig for a couple of weeks but it was hot and itchy, so I wore hats and caps, and occasionally just went commando. Lots of eye makeup and dangly earrings--a friend said "you look like a French model." My favorite thing was to come in from a chilly bike ride, fill the tub with hot water and just plunge in, wallow like a dolphin and not have to worry about my hair!

    I didn't lose my nails at all. My big toenails looked like they had a darkish stain, but it was no big deal. I did lose every hair, everywhere. Another interesting experience! For the first time in my life I learned to put on eyeliner.

    My doctor pretty much insisted on a port, and I'm glad she did. No digging around for veins, no worrying about the chemo leaking into the skin and causing mischief.

    I totally get it with the "I feel fine!" weirdness. I'm going to endure months of intense treatments and surgery and drugs...wait, what? I'm not sick! But think of it like whacking a poisonous lizard with a baseball bat before it has a chance to turn into Godzillla.

    NY30, please feel free to PM me if you have any specific questions I can answer for you. Good luck, and blessings.

  • octogirl
    octogirl Member Posts: 2,804
    edited January 2016

    I had four rounds of chemo, T/C, and when I asked MO about port he said I didn't need it. He was right (for me). The nurses at the Center where his practice is located did a great job of finding veins, all in my 'good' arm, with no misses (tips: be sure they warm up your arm before trying, and hydrate well) and I was happy not to have the additional, albeit minor, surgery or the port scar. I'd have felt differently on a longer regimen but I am of the opinion that sometimes less is indeed more.

    I didn't feel sick, though I did have pain in my tumor area for about a month or two before dx.

    The only thing I'd probably do differently if I had to do it over (and here's hoping I never do) would be to get a wig, and/or try cold capping. Hats and scarves get old, and to me they screamed 'cancer girl' which I found hard to deal with. I also became obsessed for a while that my hair would never come back. Thankfully, now it is.

    The best advice my MO gave me before chemo was to 'live your life as normally as possible. Exercise, work when you feel up to it, go out, try to have fun. You will get through this better that way.'

    Octogirl

  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited January 2016

    Most of us do NOT feel 'sick' from BC. What we individually feel from Chemo is not the same at all for all of us.

    For me - my 4 neoadjuvant DD A/C did not slow me down at all. I did obviously loose hair, we had a 'head shaving party' at the barn when I had just a few hairs left (think the picture of Dorian Gray at the end) when Son and my other 'sons' all used the horse clippers on heads (but not all - about 1/2 of lashes and brows stayed). I lost appetite (just never thought about eating so Hubby had to call be several times a day to remind me to eat something. Lost all sense of taste and smell (nothing tasted 'bad' - just no taste at all). Never had a problem with drinking enough water though - habit just took over. I'm a 'waterholic' and always have ice water close at hand. About the only difference with my 12 weekly adjuvant Taxol was that I was completely and utterly EXHAUSTED all the time. Never any nausea with either.

    What did a great job with my nails was OPI Nail Envy. I have never had decent nails but with using Nail Envy throughout A/C and Taxol my nails were better than had ever been. I was given a sample of it at the 'Look Good - Feel Better' class. If you haven't done a 'Look Ggod - Feel Better' class check with you facility when they will have one or with your local ACS for their next one. It is a great class designed to teach about makeup, skin care, wigs/scarfs/hats/etc. and meet others in the same situation.

  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited January 2016

    There was never any disagreement with rather or not I'd get a port - definately. I have great veins so 'hitting one' is no problem. BUT adriamycin is very rough on veins so there was no way I was going to take a chance of 'mucking up' any vein as after surgery veins on surgery side should not be used for blood draws or infusions, I wanted to keep one arms veins 'safe' for any future use needed. Of course, there are other veins that can be used than arm but not as easy.

    Do not think that every 'thing' you read that 'someone' says they experienced is what YOU will - we are each unique. Yes, A/C was easy and I was EXHAUSTED on Taxol but for others it's the reverse and/or differently. I am now 6 yrs post Taxol and I can assure you my life is every bit as good as ever and I love living and being as active as ever.

  • FLBuckeye93
    FLBuckeye93 Member Posts: 87
    edited February 2016

    I feel the same way, and I'm halfway through four rounds of TC. I can't wrap my head around the toxins required to keep this from coming back. It's surreal and overwhelming. I went from having a simple daily routine to a complicated one. It's challenging to do it all and teach in between sessions. However, chemo is doable.

    I've also learned I'm vain. If I look good, I feel good. So I've bought some new clothes and makeup to help. Massage therapy has been wonderful, and I have a counselor who does meditation with me. Even with all of that, I still have days when it's all just too damn much to process and I breakdown and sob. It's hard to come to terms with it. Be patient and go easy on yourself....that's what my doctor told me

    Below are things that have been shared with me. I've found that having info has helped with the overwhelming potential side effects. These are just some ideas to help you navigate your journey since each one is very individual.

    I ended up getting a port because my large and obvious veins would not cooperate resulting in needle anxiety, which I had never had. The port is a godsend for me. No pain, and my blood can be drawn from it, too.

    Chemo causes emotions and that's ok.

    Books: Anti Cancer,A New Way of Life and Cancer as aTurning Point. I've read half of the first and just got the second.

    Exercise, which I'm not doing enough of. It's hard for me.

    I've coated my nails with tea tree oil and vitamin e. I read on the Susan G Komen site to paint your nails with a dark water based polish, so that's what I have on my toes. So far, so good.

    I'm using cold caps, CCC, for my hair and I still have hair albeit a lot less. I use Toppik for my bald spot, and Nioxin for shampoo as it is safe and promotes hair growth.

    Lotions and shampoos without sulfates and parabens. There are products out there without chemicals that are excellent to use.

    My dr. Suggested alpha lipoic acid for neuropathy. It has worked. Glutamine is another supplement people have used. Some people ice their fingers and toes during the infusion of the drug that causes it. I haven't done that, but I chew ice and drink cold drinks during the taxotere infusion to help alleviate metallic taste. Acupuncture and massage therapy with essential oils help. My cancer center even offers these.

    Get your teeth cleaned. My dentist gave me a RX fluoride toothpaste and rinse to use.

    Claritin and Advil for neulasta pain

    Drink a gallon of water a day. That's 8 water bottles. I did the first round, but supplemented other fluids during the second round, and I didn't rebound as fast.

    Lunesta or melatonin for sleep.

    Systaneultra eye drops for dry eyes.

    Someone had a bad experience with tampons because of vaginal dryness, so I switched to pads I'm not sure what other people have experienced. Use silicone based lubricant for...you know.

    Biotene is good for dry mouth. Use it after every meal.

    I've gone off caffeine and have limited alcohol, but it's hard. I never knew alcohol consumption was connected to breast cancer.

    I have nausea after each round and use peppermint oil under my nose. GI issues can arise, so talk to your doctor immediately if they do. Constipation is the worst! Dulcolax is good as is Senokot. Eat light meals and be prepared to like something one day and hate it the next. I'll gag if someone brings me chicken noodle soup now. LOL

    Lastly, love on that vizsla of yours. I wish my Sadie was still around because she had me laughing every day and was a great pal. I could use a little Velcro vizsla in my life right now.

    We've got your back. Hang in there.



  • mustlovepoodles
    mustlovepoodles Member Posts: 2,825
    edited February 2016

    FLBuckeye, I have to concur with your advice on caring for yourself. It's so important that we do what we can to be kind and supportive to ourselves. I find that getting a massage about once a month has made the whole BC process better for me. In fact, I just saw my masseuse today (I had a stomach virus over the weekend and I hurt all over from the fever and vomiting--she fixed me right up!) Other ways that I take care of myself is by keeping my nails pretty, wearing makeup and earrings, and dressing nice every day. I have only spent a couple days hanging out in my PJs.

    Incidentally, I have not lost any nails. In fact, they look great. I didn't do anything to them but keep them polished. I did lose most of my hair. I haven't had to wax my eyebrows or shave my legs or underarms since Oct. Win!

  • NY30
    NY30 Member Posts: 27
    edited February 2016

    Thank you all so much for your thoughtful comments, support, and advice. Happy to report so far, it's all been fairly anti-climactic!

    We got a good vein first try with the help of a heating pad and a little patience. Had some interesting sensation during the injections/drips, but nothing too crazy. Definitely had a moment when the nurse put on a sort of hazmat suit for the "red devil" portion, but over it. Had a Lupron shot after it was all done to shut down the ovaries for the time being; did my Neulasta shot yesterday; and am probably pumped with enough steroids to last a small family of action stars a few weeks.

    Walked 7 miles yesterday, some with the boyfriend, some with the pup, some with a friend. Trying just to sort through all of the information on what to do, not to do, contraindications, etc. Had what I thought to be a healthy breakfast Monday, which later to find somehow violated pretty much every rule in what not to do, so back to the drawing board a bit on that.

    @FLBuckeye93: I laughed aloud when my oncologist said "within reason" and added that meant "up to 1 drink per week". So yes, it's a dry few months at least to give my liver a chance to process all of this other stuff. And thank you for the silicone based lubricant, but she also said sex, "just don't have it during treatment." I stared. She said is that a problem? I said "No alcohol. No sex. And you want me to keep my stress levels down?!" So I now have a prescription for Ativan "just in case."

    Here's hoping it stays anti-climactic and easy breezy!

    Best,
    Tara.

  • blamoms
    blamoms Member Posts: 113
    edited February 2016

    I have had my first chemo last Friday. I have lost 8lbs in the last week. I have eaten every 2-3 hours and drink plenty of fluids. Should I be concerned

  • NY30
    NY30 Member Posts: 27
    edited March 2016

    @blamoms: I'm not sure honestly. Best thing to do would be to reach out to your MO. Good luck!

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