Diagnosed today....terrified
Just got the news today....DCIS...grade 3. I am so scared. I can hardly think straight. I feel like taking a knife and lopping the girls off! I am meeting with a surgeon tomorrow. I don't even know if that is the right decision anymore. Am I rushing it? Should I be going to more than 1 surgeon? Should I stay local or go to NYC or Boston for treatment?
At first when I got the call from the radiologist I felt reassured that it is DCIS and most likely not invasive. But then I started researching and am seeing a lot of stuff about DCIS that does not sound very good.
Off the top of my head, without having discussed anything with the surgeon, I am leaning towards double mastectomy. I am too much of a worrier and I just would like less to worry about. If I do this, and the surgeon agrees this is the way to go, what else do I need to do? Do I request a sentinel node biopsy at the time of surgery?
If DCIS is invasive, what kind of prognosis do I have? I can't eat, can't think......
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I am so sorry you have to deal with this. Please breathe! and wait for the other members who are old hands, and I am sure will reassure you. I think you will feel much better after you meet with your surgeon and have more information. (((Hugs)))
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Kkubksy,
Please don't panic! Although it's natural at first diagnosis. Give yourself a little time to adjust. Let the doctor(s) evaluate you and suggest a course of action. Everyone is different. The statistics are meaningless.
I'm sure others on the forum who have gone through this will post soon, giving you more perspectives. For me I'm glad we didn't have to take the surgery road, but we started at Stage IV so it wasn't an option.
Breathe, cry, whatever. Just take your time.
Surrounding you with the white light,
-Griselda13
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As others have said, calm down and don’t panic. If you have to be diagnosed, DCIS is not a bad thing to have - much better than the alternatives. Don’t make any snap decisions while you are still in shock from the diagnosis ... one good thing about DCIS is that you have time to calm down, research and make a well-thought out decision. Keep in mind that if you choose (if it is an option for you) a lumpectomy, you can always go back later and have a mastectomy, but you can’t put them back on once they are gone!
If you do have invasive cancer along with the DCIS, which only happens about 20% of the time (so 80% of the time it does NOT), the vast majority of the time it is a very tiny, early stage invasive cancer (which is what I had) and your prognosis is only marginally affected (e.g. go from a 99% survival rate to a 98% one). It doesn’t usually change your treatment plan much either, although IF that were to happen you would need a sentinel node biopsy.
Right now, you are in the worst part of the process - you know something is wrong, but you don’t have a plan to deal with it yet ... it will get MUCH better once you have a treatment plan in place.
Good luck with your meeting with the surgeon - if you think you won’t be able to concentrate and/or remember anything afterwards (which if you are feeling this much panic might very well be the case) either bring someone with you to take notes, or at the very least record the meeting so you can go back to it afterwards.
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So sorry you are having to deal with this, but you came to the right place. These ladies on these boards are so giving and helpful....I don't know what I would have done without them.
Now, one thing to remember here that may be of some comfort to you.......all DCIS is stage 0. Cancer staging used to be stage I to IV only; what they now call stage 0 used to be called pre-cancer. But stage zero is as good as the bad gets. I had it myself 5 weeks ago. Research, yes....but wait and listen to your doctors recommendations. All the research we do doesn't compare to your liscenced doctor's knowledge, experience, and skill in this field. While researching, make a list of questions to ask the doctor. Most importantly, try to keep an open mind and really listen to your doctor's recommendations. I personally rushed things, had my mind made up before I even saw the surgeon, and insisted on double mastectomy even though she recommended lumpectomy. I wasn't prepared for the results of my own decision and now regret it. I can't undo what I did, but I have learned a hard earned lesson.........whether we realize it or not our emotions do play into the decisions we make. We just have to try hard to let our logic play a bigger part in our decisions than our fear. Good luck.
Cyber hugs flying your way.....
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I am trying to breathe! I am learning who my friends are! My plans for the rest of the evening include trying to eat something, taking a shower, popping an Ativan, and hopefully getting some sleep. I have an appt with surgeon tomorrow. But not sure if I should go to another one for another opinion.....
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Breathe!! You have time to make your decisions!!Dr Google is not your friend, only go to reputable sites, like here. Take someone with you, or ask if you can record on your phone. You won't remember a lot of what's said.
There will be tests, then you and your docs will decide what's best for you.
If the anxiety is really bothersome ask for some meds to get through this. Won't make you an addict, and the docs understand.
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I wish there was a 'like' button so I could what Anniekay80 said. Being ruled by fear is a mistake when you have to make important decisions.
Kkubsky, do not rush to make a surgical decision. DCIS is not an emergency and you have time to consider what is the best route. Remember, you can not undo a mastectomy and reconstructed breasts are not the same as your own breast.Beesie, one of BCO.s members wrote a very good post on the topic Mastectomy versus lumpectomy. I am posting a link to a thread that contains this post:
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I was in your shoes a month ago when dx with grade 3 7cm+ with necrosis and comedo...essentially the worst case scenario with DCIS. My breasts are also very dense and they aren't sure of the true size of my DCIS or if there is already some invasion. I had my 2-3 weeks of being panicked and emotional, but at this point, I am at peace for the most part. It is what it is and now we work through it. I saw a 2nd opinion surgeon and now I am waiting on my military doctor to put the referral in to allow me to be treated by that surgeon. That has been a large part of my stress, that and the reconstruction decision. Try to calm yourself and as others have said, this is very treatable and trying not to stress and thinking positive is imperative right now! I wish the best for you!
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Commenting over here as well: hoping you got the shower, and the Ativan, and something palatable for dinner. (Now is not the time to worry about impeccable nutrition. If Kraft macaroni and cheese is the only thing you can choke down for the next twenty-four hours, so be it. It was popsicles for me.)
Tomorrow, the surgeon will discuss (no surprises here!) what surgery you're likely to need at this point. I can make no promises about what, precisely, will be suggested. But it mayn't be mastectomy! If they offer you a choice between various treatments, consider this carefully. As Beesie's post mentions, much of this comes down to "What decision can you live with?" (and no: sentinel node biopsies are not part of treatment for DCIS, because it has, by definition, not spread through your lymphatic system yet.)
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Kkubsky-
We want to welcome you to our community here at BCO. We're so sorry you find yourself here, but we're glad you've joined us. We hope you find this community yo be a great place of support and encouragement as you begin down this road! As you can see from the responses you've gotten already, you are not alone, and we are all here with you!
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Thank you all for your quick responses. My biopsy pathology has me with the worst type of DCIS. I cannot shut off my brain! My head is going to explode from all the stuff I am trying to read and process. I still don't quite get how DCIS can get invasive. What does that mean....do I have to worry about mets? I guess my bottom line is that I don't want to die right now or any time soon....
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It's my understanding that if DCIS moves out of the milk ducts, then it becomes IDC. From there, if not caught, it moves into the lymph nodes. That is NOT mets.
Mets require a whole other explanation.
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If it is the lymph nodes then what?
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I did see a surgeon today. I left the office feeling a lot calmer and better. But as the hours go by the fear and panic are coming back. I could be ok with DCIS. It's the invasion part that I can't stop thinking about. I know the odds are that it will be just DCIS, but the odds were also that it wasn't DCIS. I am not a gambler. I like certainty and there is none with this.....
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They are removed, area get zapped with rads.
Chances are good it's NOT in the nodes because of DCIS.
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Thank you for that reassurance. I feel like such a baby. And even after all is said and done, there is the fear of recurrence.
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and there's that too. After you get past treatment, as it's not in your face every day, as life resumes, the fear dies down. Oh, it's still there. It never goes away entirely. You can't let it wreck your life. Right now is the worst. Once you have your plan, treatment starts, it gets better. Really.
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So it's been about a week since I joined the breast cancer club. I am still not sleeping or eating well. My mind is still on overdrive. I cannot stop thinking the worst. I am my own worst enemy.
I had a 2nd opinion, which after 2 days of torturous waiting, came back with the same dx....dcis. I met with surgeon and tomorrow i will be meeting with rad oncologist and medical oncologist. I now have to decide about MRI or not.
Everyone keeps telling me that I am overreacting...it is DCIS stage 0. But who knows what they will find in the pathology after lumpectomy. I think I would feel a lot better if I didn't have a grade 3. And now I am questioning my decision about having a lumpectomy. Maybe I should just have a mastectomy and be done with it. Although my surgeon said outcomes were pretty much the same either way. I don't really care about preserving my breasts. They did their job and I don't care about having them. I would absolutely have them removed if mastectomy were just a simple procedure without other worries. And of course once they are gone, they are gone....
I hate talking about outcomes. I hate the word cancer. I just hate everything about this. I am so not handling this well.
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Kkubsky, just wanted to send you a hug. I know you are frightened. It is a huge word - cancer- but, you really really REALLY do have a very small likelihood of it being invasive upon pathology. It is truly not something you can control either way. As for MX vs. LX, that will be your choice to make. I chose lumpectomy because it was the least invasive surgery and I know that if it comes back or if it was found to be larger during surgery, I can go back later and do the mastectomy.
What you are doing to yourself is like getting a brand new car and then worrying about it being a lemon or breaking down BEFORE you have a chance to drive it for a little bit. Or, like getting a new job or promotion and worrying about getting fired BEFORE you have had a chance to do the job. It is just not worth it. Of course it will be in the back of your mind that it is a small possibility of it being found invasive at pathology, but the odds are in YOUR favor. Honestly they are.
Please take some Xanax or Ativan and relax a bit and stop making yourself sick. You need your strength for surgery and recovery whatever route you choose.
Hugs and peace to you!
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I got my call the Monday before Christmas. I was only grade 2 DCIS, but with "expansive necrosis." Given a significant family history, my young age, the fact I'm not particularly attached to my breasts, I was leaning towards mastectomy anyway. When I met with my treatment team, I also found out that my area if DCIS is >8 cm long. My plastic surgeon said the cosmetic outcome wouldn't be great with a lumpectomy and radiation considering the size alone. Plus I could skip radiation. Then deciding on bilateral mastectomy was mostly so I wouldn't have to worry about a new cancer in the other breast, but also so I could avoid tamoxifen and end up with symmetry with one major surgery (rather than unilateral mastectomy first with a reduction and lift later). I just had my mastectomies and DIEP flaps done on Tuesday!
It's very difficult to navigate these waters. I spent a lot of time reading what others chose and why. I knew outcomes would basically be the same regardless. I just found myself feeling like I would have regretted making one decision, and it helped me feel better about the other decision. No need to rush to decide anything.
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Kkubsky -- I just read your posts and am sorry about your diagnosis. I, too, had a diagnosis of DCIS, grade 3, back in October. And, I did my share of "freaking out" and worrying. The word cancer in itself is enough. I remember that the very hardest part about what I've been through so far was the waiting game and not knowing or having a plan initially. I had a stereotactic biopsy and my surgeon went ahead and told me right after she completed the biopsy that thought it would be cancer. She was so kind and compassionate and didn't want me to have to be on edge for the next 3 days. I then had MRI which showed suspicious areas in both breasts. That's probably when I worried the most. So, I had biopsies on both and thankfully they were both negative except for the already identified DCIS. There was a pre-cancerous lesion in the opposite breast which she also removed. The worry and not knowing is awful, but usually the worry is over something that isn't going to come to pass. I would suggest also to not read everything on google. My surgeon suggested that if I was going to read anything to read info on reputable sites such as breastcancer.org or on american cancer society site. Having been in your shoes just a few short months ago, I can fully understand how you feel. It's a journey and has to be taken one day at a time. It does get better and these forums are a great place to go for support and information. You are not alone on your journey. As I've read on another person's posts, Warrior On!!!
Hugs and prayers,
Debbie
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At the point where you are, I tried not to read anything online. I had a basic breast cancer book by the Mayo Clinic that was helpful, but after reading it I put it down. I watched Netflix and otherwise distracted myself.
DCIS is a shock but as others have said, this stage 0 used to be called "precancer." If it is grade 3, it still is not so fast-moving that it has moved beyond the ducts, at least it would seem.
I had a mastectomy of my cancer breast and a couple of months later a mastectomy of the other breast. My docs felt that I would not tolerate radiation well, so I avoided it that way. I have gone flat and the whole thing hasn't been that bad. I had a paravertebral block for pain that reduced the need for pain meds.
Some docs will feel mastectomy is overkill for DCIS but if you have a lot of anxiety, they might do it.
Good luck!
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My friend with ER-/PR- 3.7cm Grade 3 cribiform/comedo-necrosis DCIS was surprised to find out she will need neither mastectomy nor chemo, though she will get the std. 33-tx protocol of whole-breast rads (prone, to protect her heart). Though the carcinoma is behind her nipple (which will be removed) and her breasts are small, she says she doesn’t mind the asymmetry and has no desire to do reconstruction. She’s 70 and has already had two stents, so even if they find IDC from the lumpectomy, they probably won’t recommend chemo. Because despite obesity her breasts are dense, they will also do a pre-op MRI to rule out having to biopsy and follow up on the other breast.
So don’t anticipate the worst about your treatment plan.
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I am trying not to project into the future but that is just the way that I am wired I guess, so it is hard. At the moment I have been given 3 options for rads following lumpectomy....5x a week for 6 weeks, 5x a week for 3 weeks at a stronger strength...both in prone position. Or I can have a mammosite....balloon planted in breast with rads 2x a day 6 hours apart for 5 days. Leaning towards the middle option. I would choose the balloon but I think I would constantly be worried about recurrence as that is not radiating the whole breast....
So many decisions.
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I had a LX and SNB, followed by Mammosite radiation. Also had grade 3 DCIS w/ comedo necrosis. I was comfortable that imaging (Mammograms, US & MRI) would have found any other lesions, and the SNB was negative, so no spread. Surgical pathology report didn't find any IDC or micro invasions. Any additional cancer cells would most likely have been near the lumpectomy site. So radiation that radiated out from the LX cavity was ideal for me.
While (pre-surgery) I was hoping I could have Mammosite radiation, there were a number of things which could have made it impossible. A positive SNB. If the LX cavity was too near either the skin or the chest wall. And I f there had been either IDC or a micro invasion or margins that weren't clean, we would have reevaluated.
Fortunately, the stars aligned (as it were) to allow me to have the radiation I preferred, in order to avoid radiating body parts which didn't need it.
I hope you're able to proceed without surgical surprises. But it's probably important to keep your plans a little loose until you have your surgical results.
Hoping to hear that things work out exactly as you want them!
LisaAlissa
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