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  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited January 2016

    Little Shoe-

    Your doc sounds like a real jerk! Pain management is absolutely critical to success.

    There are so many women with expanders who report pain. He just doesn't want to admit thatHIS surgery might not have been so great.

    I just doesn't know if this technology is all it's cracked up to be...

    Stretching helps mine.

  • gardengypsy
    gardengypsy Member Posts: 769
    edited January 2016

    Little Shoe

    I would like to protect my liver and kidneys also, but the docs prescribe these drugs heavily with these surgeries, for sure.

    Your doctor is a real jerk to say that you shouldn't have pain. So many women experience pain with the expander. He just doesn't want to admit that his surgeries don't always work magic.

    Are you doing the post-mastectomy stretches? They help me.

    I would love to do acupuncture and massage for pain but have to wait and see if my budget will allow. What about PT? Insurance will cover that. Let us know what Dr. Know-It-All thinks about PT.

    You can go as slow as you want with the fills. I think that we aren't prepared enough by the docs for the pain, and I think that this type of recon doesn't work for all women.

    Take care

  • Shellybean
    Shellybean Member Posts: 11
    edited January 2016

    I had my first post-op visit with the PS yesterday and wow was I unprepared for the pain! Lol

    I had my drains removed and my first fill, here I sit almost 24 hours later and find breathing or moving painful. My recovery from my bilateral mastectomy was nothing compared to the pain from the fill. I don't like to take medicine but I can't stress enough the importance of following doctors orders. He has me taking Valium as a muscle relaxer and 800 mg Motrin and Percocet as needed. I wish you all thes best ands now that your not alone in your suffering! Xoxo

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited January 2016

    You can develop an infection during chemo due to a depressed white blood count.  It is important to control the infection or you risk not only delaying chemo, but losing the reconstruction.

    shelly - you are starting fills very close to your surgery and drain removal.  Always remember that you control the fill schedule and can refuse or reschedule fills due to discomfort.  Do you know how many cc's you had at surgery, and how large this fill was?  Fills should not cause a tremendous amount of pain - that means they are either too large or you are not healed enough.

  • Anniekay80
    Anniekay80 Member Posts: 127
    edited January 2016

    I too am in the middle of the process of filling the tissue expanders too. Had a fill yesterday, my third....none put in at surgery. After each fill, only 50 cc at a time every 2 weeks, I find my chest tight, muscle spasms and pain. I usually end up back using Norco for about 3 days after a fill, in addition to my regular Aleve every 12 hours.

    But....10 days ago my PCP got blood work results back and my kidneys and liver are not happy with me. So...no more pain meds not even an aspirin. This last fill has left me in more pain than previous ones but how can I compare since i had pain meds for the first 2 fills. I have muscle relaxers only...Skelaxin and Valium. Dr says I have 4 more fills to go and I should expect that each fill will be more uncomfortable than the last because they are really stretching the pecs tighter and tighter.

    I'm hoping the next blood work comes back greatly improved so I can take just a little bit for a short while to get through this.


    I do not recall ANY pre-op conversations informing me about just how much this recon process hurts! I'm beginning to wonder if having reconstruction was worth it....maybe I should have embraced the concept of wearing prostheses instead. Hanging in there, but just barely....


  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited January 2016

    anniekay - you might ask your PS if you can drop back to 25ccs.  This is what I did the first time I had an expander - it took longer to reach the total amount of fill prior to exchange but it was more comfortable.

  • Anniekay80
    Anniekay80 Member Posts: 127
    edited January 2016

    My PS offered to go less but at this rate I have 2 more months of fills then wait the 4 to 6 weeks before exchange. I just really want this all done already. So I will try to endure the pain so I can hopefully be done and able to enjoy some of my Michigan summer.....they feel so short here especially when it is currently snowing and freezing outside right now.

    I can do this....I keep telling myself that. I just hang on one more day...one day at a time. Thank God for inventing muscle relaxers!

  • katykids
    katykids Member Posts: 132
    edited January 2016

    I asked my PS to slow down on fills due to expander pain and I was charged a $50 copy for each fill outside my "post-op period." It was really surprising. Not sure it is the norm.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited January 2016

    katykids - wow! Who decided what your post-op period was?  That is pretty arbitrary, and no I don't believe that is the norm.  Part of the issue is that the fills are part and parcel of the surgery, so your PS is not usually billing insurance for fills.  It takes up their office time if you go more slowly but patient comfort and well-bring should take precedence over everything else.  Was there a corresponding insurance billing for each of those slower fills, or just the co-pay?  I had expanders placed with BMX is Nov of 2010, had skin integrity issues, had several repair surgeries and then had the expander removed because I needed to start chemo.  The expander was replaced six weeks after chemo (surgery was mid-July) ended with no fill.  I did not start fills for at least a month and only did 25cc fills, but continued to fill weekly until I was at 550ccs - so, this took a long time!  I was never charged a co-pay and did not have exchange surgery until the following February.

  • katykids
    katykids Member Posts: 132
    edited January 2016

    SpecialK, the PS told me that. It was 3 months post MX. So I just figured it was so. I just looked it up now and they billed as 'Doctor's Office Visit.' My insurance didn't pay anything though. And I paid my co-pay. I wondered if it was the norm.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited January 2016

    katykids - IMHO he shouldn't have been billing separate office visits, and charging you the corresponding co-pay, for fills that are definitely tied to your surgery - regardless of how long it had been since the surgery.  Being done with fills three months post-op is fast, and kind of unrealistic.  Doesn't seem right!

  • katykids
    katykids Member Posts: 132
    edited January 2016

    SpecialK, I found a new PS for follow ups. I was not thrilled with a lot of things with my original PS after the MX. I should have changed sooner but I have changed now. I do think it is hard to change while you are in the midst of it all. I even asked new PS if he minded taking me on, because the big game had already been played. And he said I have a long life ahead of me with yearly followups.

    Thank you for sharing your input. I have a lot of respect for your wisdom in this! I know you have been through so much with your implants!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited January 2016

    katykids - aw thanks!  If it makes you feel better I switched PS too, should have done it sooner.  It started with an insurance issue, actually the first PS had a new biller, with new software, and couldn't process the claim for a fat graft surgery, and the PS was unwilling to schedule more surgery (at this point I had a right implant and nothing on the other side) until the claim was processed.  While I understood this, my insurance does not allow a physician to deny treatment for a billing concern, so I switched.  My new PS did the exact same surgery, billed insurance, and was paid two weeks later.  The issue was clearly his biller, and he finally did get paid - but not for another nine months.  Now that I have been with the new PS for two surgeries I can see in hindsight other reasons I should have jumped ship earlier.  I am glad you found someone you can work with!   I am now hopeful that this new expander is working out, I can exchange this year.  Maybe next year will have zero surgeries, lol!

  • katykids
    katykids Member Posts: 132
    edited February 2016

    SpecialK, fingers crossed for zero surgeries for sure!! And thank you again. I wondered, in my head about my PS. I doubly glad I found someone new! :)

    And gardengypsy, I hope you are feeling better!!

  • Anniekay80
    Anniekay80 Member Posts: 127
    edited February 2016

    Anybody here have this problem? I found a way early on to sleep on my side on the couch. Ever since my last fill (only 150 cc each side so far) after sleeping on my right side each night I wake up with the left side hurting bad. Also I can feel more of the fluid on the left side is migrated to clevage area. Other side has more of a spread out feel to it. I don't see my PS until next week and not sure it is important enough to call. Should I be switching which side I lay on each night or is this just temporary since the TEs aren't full yet.

    Any suggestions welcome.

  • damazon
    damazon Member Posts: 66
    edited February 2016

    Hi Special K,

    Thanks for getting back to me regarding sizing questions. I agree with you that everyone's tolerance is different. I just had my third fill (every 3 weeks and 100 cc or ml at surgery) and for the first time it hurt afterwards and throughout the next day/night. Did catch me by surprise as I have yet to experience pain (only some discomfort) since my operation for delayed implant reconstruction (1st Stage Tissue Expansion) in mid-December.

    My PS suggested that I might start to feel pain as more filling creates more pressure and to let him know and he would place less fluid. He also told me that he may have to 'release' the swelling above (or at the top of the expander) so that fluid fills out the width and depth on the bottom in order to match my natural breast on the other side.

    What does he mean (release)? I'm afraid to ask. I'm also thinking not to tell him I have experienced pain so that I could complete the process more quickly. Would that be a bad idea? (Just plan to take pain meds before and after.) I have Natrelle 133 SV-13 tissue expander on my 39" broad chest wall and am 5" 8" tall weighing 150 pounds. Thanks!



  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited February 2016

    damazon - I have not heard that terminology - not sure, but you might check with whippetmom on the implants 101 thread - her knowledge base on TE/implants is second to none.  It is natural to have more pressure as the expander becomes more full, so filling more slowly should minimize discomfort to a degree, but you should always be honest with your doctor about pain. 

  • Leslie13
    Leslie13 Member Posts: 202
    edited February 2016

    I believe he would remove fluid with a syringe. They sometimes do that when sampling infections. It's just sucking fluid out instead of placing it within.

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