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  • Angtee15
    Angtee15 Member Posts: 209
    edited January 2016

    MVspaulding I'd say err on the side of caution regardless of your MO's parameters. If you don't feel well call them asap. Go with your instincts.

    I just got out of the hospital today after dealing with bilateral pulmonary embolisms. My MO wasn't concerned about my reports of shortness of breath because I never had chest pain and it only happened when I was going upstairs or otherwise exerting myself. Well things got worse fast and I ended up in the ICU. I told her from now on she'll learn about my side effects from an ER doctor.

    I'm lucky to still be around to resume chemo on Friday. Can't wait for this nightmare to be over. And PS if you didn't know (I didn't) we are highly susceptible to blood clots.

  • mvspaulding
    mvspaulding Member Posts: 446
    edited January 2016

    wow Angtee, what a scary story. Sorry you had to go through that. And glad you are ok!!

    I know some of you have talked about skin issues. By no means am I trying to sell anyone anything but I have been selling and using Nerium skincare for the last 3 years. I have kept using it during all this and my skin has not given me any issues.

  • Nebraska917
    Nebraska917 Member Posts: 64
    edited January 2016

    I don't think I would go into work if I had any type of fever. I wouldn't risk it, if it wasn't worth it! But all up to how you feel and how comfortable you are with being around people.

    I had a superficial clot in my arm near my picc line. I'm kid of scared about any other blood clots showing up. I have had a little bit of shortness of breath, but it has only been after this last tissue expander fill, so hopefully it's because it just more weight on my chest and nothing serious. Did you have any other side effects or was the shortness of breath just really bad?

  • chinookmom
    chinookmom Member Posts: 45
    edited January 2016

    Angtee15~ Sorry to hear you ended up in the ER with the bilateral pulmonary embolisms. It is very scary to know something is wrong with your body and not feel that you are getting "heard" at your doctor. Wondering what if they are having you continue with blood thinners at home?

    Less than 2 weeks after my chemo port implant surgery, I ended up with a blood clot in my subclavian superior vena cava from the catheter running from my chemo port in my left arm into my chest. I have to self inject Lovenox subcutaneous into my belly every day. I've been using my EMLA cream with a small Tegaderm patch to help numb the ever changing location i inject.

    Anyone else dealing with blood clots?

    I've got chemo 3 on Thursday and although happy i'm getting closer to being done with the 6, I can't help but be apprehensive of side effects from this round. #2 was easier than #3, but i started chemo anemic so i've been really run down & have those palpitations daily. I'll talk to my Oncologist about it in more detail when i see her before chemo. Was it the shortness of breath alone that sent you to the ER?

  • Angtee15
    Angtee15 Member Posts: 209
    edited January 2016

    Nebraska917--in hindsight after learning more about pulmonary embolisms I did have other side effects like feeling light headed, increased heart rate, and my blood pressure was elevated (they prescribed a bp med). All reported to oncology. I live in Chicago and its been really cold lately. I wasn't getting out much early last week and worked from home so the new severity of the shortness of breath didn't become apparent until I went to the doctor and then was promptly hospitalized. Blood clots are really scary. I would at least call in and tell them about the shortness of breath however mild.

    Chinookmom-Yep It was just the breathing situation that sounded the alarm.I started injecting lovenox twice daily and will continue through treatment. At that time they said they'd move me to one of the newer blood thinner pills.

    Here's to calmer seas going forward ladies!

  • Tesla
    Tesla Member Posts: 53
    edited January 2016

    Wentisa, I had itchy bumps on the side of my fingers. It doesn't seems like dry skin. It was so itchy that I scratched and scratched to the point my thumb and index finger are swollen. My PA checked it and gave me steroid packx5 days.



  • redrock75
    redrock75 Member Posts: 34
    edited January 2016

    I took 3 senokot S and a probiotic pearl before bed last night guys. Now I'm not pooping glass but I may have taken things too far. 😳😳😳😳 3 is on my sheet from my MO as ok to take but I'm gonna dial it back tonight.

    Can't wait til Monday to get this final AC over and done with!

    ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ to us all, it's one day closer, always one day closer to the end of this fight for all of us. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

  • chinacat
    chinacat Member Posts: 78
    edited January 2016

    wenrisa and tesla - could be hand-foot syndrome (hfs). I'm also having itching burning flaky skin on one of my pinky toes. Check here for more info:

    http://www.breastcancer.org/treatment/side_effects...

    I feel like I am coming apart at the seams. Mentally, physically, emotionally...I can't wait until this is OVER!

  • redrock75
    redrock75 Member Posts: 34
    edited January 2016

    does anyone know if taxol is a 100% must after AC? I have had 3 AC and my formerly 4 cm lump is all but gone. I had no nodes positive on imaging. I would love to just move to surgery after 4th AC. I'm going to ask my MO, expecting to hear no but wanted some thoughts

  • chinacat
    chinacat Member Posts: 78
    edited January 2016

    Redrock - I asked my second opinion MO at MSK this question because I had a lowish oncotype score (17)and she told me she would not advise skipping it. However, I was node positive. A, C & T all work in different ways. My take on it is to hit it hard, but again, I was node positive. This a definitely a discussion for your MO.

  • redrock75
    redrock75 Member Posts: 34
    edited January 2016

    you got your surgery first, right, chinacat? I wouldn't mind doing the taxol after surgery, but I know all drugs don't work for all people and I have a fear the tumor will start to grow back on taxol after AC killed it.

  • chinacat
    chinacat Member Posts: 78
    edited January 2016

    Yes, I had a lumpectomy first. My tumor was 1.3cm, not the same as your situation, especially since mine took it upon itself to relocate.

  • chinacat
    chinacat Member Posts: 78
    edited January 2016

    and by the way, none of my images showed cancer in my nodes but I ended uphaving a .9cm tumor in one.

  • redrock75
    redrock75 Member Posts: 34
    edited January 2016

    how'd it relocate? They wouldn't do mine even BMX because it was too large and close to the chest wall. Not an issue anymore

  • chinacat
    chinacat Member Posts: 78
    edited January 2016

    relocate=spread to my nodes. My bad sense of humor, sorry for the confusion;

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2016

    So sorry to hear that some have had hard time recently. Personally, I'm terrified to begin my modified chemo tx plan, starting Feb. 4th. Some may have read that 2 days after my first "all out" infusion I ended up at the ER on Christmas Eve, and the next 5 days, then invalid for almost 2 weeks. In bed. First one was Taxotere, Carboplatin, Perjeta, and Herceptin. This new one changed to Taxol and Herceptin only. I have also gotten a second opinion who agrees and convinced me that I MUST have Herceptin and Taxol due to HER2 positive. I understand this and am willing to try, but I'm so scared to voluntarily sit in that chair again. Has anyone been referred to a Palliative Care doctor to help manage side effects? I go tomorrow and am really glad as I felt really medically unsupported with all that happened to me. I do trust my Onc. and am told he's one of the best. Here's a link to explain the palliative care, not to be confused with hospice care...

    http://www.cancer.net/navigating-cancer-care/how-c...

    Have a peaceful night everyone :)

  • redrock75
    redrock75 Member Posts: 34
    edited January 2016

    oh, lol chinacat. I do realize that it could very well be there at surgery. I just think surgery at this point and then taxol if there is something in the nodes or if not clean margins or whatever....but I just have a strong feeling to get it out while it's almost invisible and then move from there with more knowledge. If taxol isn't effective and it starts to come back...ill be beyond pissed of

  • chinacat
    chinacat Member Posts: 78
    edited January 2016

    redrock, your approach makes sense to me. Let us know what your MO says

  • PezGal
    PezGal Member Posts: 99
    edited January 2016

    Soooooooo bummed! My first (of 12) taxol treatments tomorrow got cancelled. Dang nutrophils! At least they're not hospital low this time. But still, I had a plan. I hate changing plans. Now I have to spend 45 minutes updating my google calendar... and come to work tomorrow. :( On a positive note, this will give me 3 weeks between treatments. I expect to be doing cartwheels into the dr's office by this time next week!

    Birdie56 - I have thought about, and maybe will more in my "vacation" week here, about appuncture during my taxols. I've never done it before and don't know really where to start. I read your link and I suppose appuncture could be a piece of palliative treatment. My dr hasn't ever said/suggested palliative care other than handing me a pamphlet on a local support group. I have to do my own research for everything. So there is a whole sub-set of doctors that do this? Like, their whole job is managing SE's (physical, mental, whatever)? Interesting...

  • Sammy3
    Sammy3 Member Posts: 136
    edited January 2016

    Hi everyone - I met with the surgeon today. This is my "halfway through chemo so what is the plan" appt. I did have a lumpectomy prior to the chemo I am getting below, but we were not 100% sure if we would do BMX. Basically he told me that my risk of recurrence is not really significantly reduced by adding on the BMX. For my situation (clear margins/nodes at lumpectomy, brca negative, triple positive on the hormone receptors) he said the biggest issue with recurrence is the Her2+ and not my remaining breasts. So for the Her2+ I am getting the herceptin for a year. He said that, coupled with going on tamoxifen (or other hormone therapy) basically leaves my recurrence risk somewhere around 1% per year. He said if I wanted to do BMX he would, but he didn't think it would help my #s with any significance.

    So that being said, after chemo I still need to complete Radiation, then do hormones. I really wonder what you all think of this. I feel that I go to a great breast center - all they do is breast cancer - that's it. And he's been doing it forever - over 20 years when it wasn't even really so mainstream. But I know you all obviously are getting advice from your medical teams and I just wondered if this jived with what you're hearing. Twirp, Tesla, and Birdie you are all triple positive too, right? (did I miss anyone)....I would love any advice that you may have been given.

    Part of me always felt like I would do the bmx, but then the closer I got to it, the more scared of the recovery I was. And off topic but I was born with a ortho defect and had countless major surgeries as a kid. I've had my tonsils out, I've had 2 lumpectomies (2011, 2015), and the port placement. I am kinda over it, you know?!?

  • Sammy3
    Sammy3 Member Posts: 136
    edited January 2016

    Birdie - yes you need the Herceptin! EVERYTHING my doctors have told me (and I went for 2nd opinions) says that herceptin is saving our lives. I hope the new protocol works better for you - I believe in you!!!!!!

  • CyndiNic
    CyndiNic Member Posts: 59
    edited January 2016

    Sammy3 - I am similar to you just an earlier stage. My BS strongly recommended the lumpectomy route for me given the marginal difference in potential recurrence vs. BMX. Ultimately the choice was mine to make of course. I feel very comfortable that the treatment plan I am on is addressing every aspect of the cancer that was removed. The thought of 10 years on pills is causing me serious anxiety for some reason but I will deal with that after radiation.

    Cyndi

  • Lyra10
    Lyra10 Member Posts: 59
    edited January 2016

    laughing out loud at my first bill for chemo! Next time I'm not working during chemo, I'm going to look lovingly at the bag of Taxotere that they are charging the insurance company $12K for! For the 1st two chemosin 2015 December, I get to pay $1K. Better then I expected but far from perfect! Wow now I know why my heartburn is going so crazy!!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2016

    I had my first cycle of AC on Dec 21... Within 3 hours the nausea hit and I had a sleepless night. By morning I was vomiting like crazy (even with 4 anti-nausea meds) and my MO sent the to the ER. I convinced them to discharge me Christmas Eve. My second cycle was Jan 11, my MO decreased my dosage 25% and admitted me to hospital for 4 days. It went much better. No vomiting or diarrhea and I have recovered from the fatigue faster. My mouth is very sore and my port is bothering me a lot. I can't wait to have it removed... 1 month down, 14 to go. I am also finding myself very sad to be bald... I felt ok with it for a few weeks but now I'm feeling terribly sad. 

    I'm sending hugs to all my December chemo sisters.  One day this will all be in our rear view mirrors!

  • lawyer180
    lawyer180 Member Posts: 36
    edited January 2016

    Ladies, thanks for posting about the rear end issues. I've had them as well and your tips were very helpful and enlightening.

    Redrock-- I noticed our dx/ages are quite similar. Even though I'm PR+, Dr said it's so low that I'm being treated as triple negative. Brca is negative. My kv-67 is 90% and the cell are poorly differentiated. I am really wrestling with the decision of lx or bmx. My surgeon recommends a lx but I'm really leaning toward bmx because I don't want to be dealing with a recurrence or new cancer down the road. Which surgical option are you leaning toward and why, I hope you don't mind me asking.

  • mvspaulding
    mvspaulding Member Posts: 446
    edited January 2016

    Sammie, I am wondering how your Dr gives a 1% recurrence. I think my doc said while analyzing my Oncotype score if I did the chemo it would take mine down to 10-15%. Then the other day I was reading about how Holley Kitchen died of metastatic breast cancer and the stats there said 20-30% of all early stage breast cancers will metastasize. I feel like everywhere you read you get different stats.

    I will tell you one of the main reasons I decided to do the BMX is because of the radiation. The radiation and long term possible side effects worried me. Plus the fact of having to do it every day for 5-6 weeks. The other factor was I had things removed from both breasts in the past and I knew I would worry leaving my dense breast tissue there. I don't want to influence you in any way. I think it's a very personal decision. I just wanted to share.

    Sugarandspice, hoping that things look up for you. The hair will grow back! :

  • redrock75
    redrock75 Member Posts: 34
    edited January 2016

    lawyer180--I feel like I flip back and forth on this every day. My ki67 was 78% and poorly differentiated. This tumor was growing so fast I could SEE it, and it got much larger from dx til the time I started chemo. My surgeon also says lx and rads is same as BMX, and it's so tempting. I'm really scared of what the cosmetic outcome will be after reconstruction. The pics I see on the PS sites scare me. But I don't know if I can function with the constant fear of recurrence or a new one or whatever else. I need to meet with a PS and I keep putting it off. So, all that to say that I still have no idea what I'm gonna do. All my family and friends are pushing me for BMX. But I don't know

  • chinookmom
    chinookmom Member Posts: 45
    edited January 2016

    One more I forgot earlier tip for those with bottom issues- the squatty potty. might sound silly, but it does really help and i figure anything that makes that process easier & less painful is welcomed. http://www.squattypotty.com

    I too am HER2+ and am planning on HERCEPTIN after surgery. I have really heard it has been a miracle drug for many people. I'm ER- & PR-, so I think i'll only have the Herceptin. I hear that my hair will start to grow back on just the Herceptin. My *surgeon (and researcher for 30+ years) was so positive regarding my diagnosis and explained that in 2015 (when i was diagnosed) HER2+ breast cancer can be successfully treated better than ever before, due to Herceptin & Perjeta (when also appropriate). *https://www.cedars-sinai.edu/About-Us/News/News-Re...

    Having night before anxiety for chemo 3 tomorrow. Not feeling great today and just really nervous for tomorrow. Upset tummy, anemia weirdness issues & basically just a bit terrified for some reason.

    i too am nervous about the radiation. To be honest i don't yet know how how much they will want to do on me. My IDC tumor was 2.1cm but after chemo 1 both my Surgeon and MO said that it felt smaller in their manual exams of my breast. My guess is that depending on how small it gets that will affect how much.. i need to find out more as there may just be a standard protocol that i haven't learned yet. Or remembered from the earlier dr.'s visits when i was still in such shock.

    With the discussion of Oncotype scores, i need to revisit my genetic testing results. I negative for any genetic markers but don't remember the scoring. Sometimes it all gets so overwhelming & i've just been trying to get through chemo. But the reminds i need to look at my results again.

    I hope everyone is feeling better and has an easier time with their SE going forward. I'm going to look into the palliative care aspect as well.

    Thank you to all of you for being so wonderful. I wish i had joined in sooner but was trudging through it on my own, boyfriend and some friends support but i still often felt alone and sad. But got overwhelmed reading everything online early- would just get enough of "cancer" for the day. However, i missed out earlier on being able to connect with others going through this at the same time. Big hugs.


  • Sammy3
    Sammy3 Member Posts: 136
    edited January 2016

    mvspaulding - let me ask the next time I go. I agree, it seems odd. The only thing I can think of is that he presents it as 1% per year. So probably overall it is higher. I guess the decision for me would be how much would the bmx buy me, and he is not saying much.

  • Skittlegirl
    Skittlegirl Member Posts: 428
    edited January 2016

    Chinookmom - You shouldn't have an oncotype score with your hormone receptor status.

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