January 2016 Surgeries

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  • BlueHeron
    BlueHeron Member Posts: 154
    edited January 2016

    drain is OUT out out OUT!!!! Ugh, I HATED that thing. I couldn't move, stand up,straight, breathe fully. I feel like I've been released from prison.

    It sounds like everyone has different experiences with removal. Mine hurt. But it didn't last long. I did take Ativan beforehand.

    I'm hoping that now I can get off the heavy pain meds. I just feel so much freer.

  • BlueHeron
    BlueHeron Member Posts: 154
    edited January 2016

    MimiD and Goldenbride, thinking of you today!

  • virginia123
    virginia123 Member Posts: 21
    edited January 2016

    I am new, too! I am scheduled for Thursday 1/28. Lump (left) and SNB. If I'm not having mastectomy, does that mean I won't have drains? I have absolutely no idea what to expect. Something about blue dye? What the heck is that??? Wish I'd gotten here sooner, seems like I would be better prepared.

  • grandma3X
    grandma3X Member Posts: 759
    edited January 2016

    Hi virginia! I'm not sure if lumpectomies get drains or not. The dye is sometimes injected to help your surgeon find the sentinel node. My surgeon did not use this - I just had the radioactive stuff injected so my surgeon used a geiger counter to find my node.

    BlueHeron - so good to hear your drains are out! It feels soooo much better.

    Today I walked a mile on my treadmill :) I feel like such a couch potato since surgery.

  • Kessa619
    Kessa619 Member Posts: 80
    edited January 2016

    Virginia, I had two lumpectomies and did not receive drains. I also had my SNB with one of those lumpectomies and the dye was injected after I was out. Other people have had their dye injected in advance of their surgeries.

    Grandma3X, Good for you. It is great that you are permitted to exercise. My PS permits nothing at all for 4 weeks, not even light housework. Don't get me wrong, I am contentto do no housework, but a walk would be awesome.

  • Gemma12
    Gemma12 Member Posts: 137
    edited January 2016

    Hi Virginia123 - I had a lx on my left side with snb on 1/5. I did not have drains. Ask your BS if you'll have them. Here's my experience. I had 2 biopsies, so there were 2 markers left in my breast. The day of surgery I showed up early to have wires placed to the markers so the surgeon knew where to go. After, I went to nuclear med where I had a radioactive isotope shot (it wasn't bad at all!). The purpose of the isotope is to light up your lymph nodes. During surgery, my BS used blue die on the tumor to see which nodes were the sentinel nodes (first ones that my breast drains to). They watch to see where the dye goes and take whatever lights up and biopsies them. 5 in my case (with 2 tag alongs from the chain). Thankfully, my nodes were negative. You do pee blue for a day or so as the die works it way out of your body. I didn't have any blue skin, but others seem to have had it. My BS was able to get both areas out of me with one incision. I have another incision under my arm, but close to my trunk where they took the nodes. My surgeon got clean margins, so I'm done with the surgical part of this journey. I am healing well and haven't had any complications. My surgery was day surgery and I was home by 5PM. I'm waiting for the results of my oncotype dx test to see if I need chemo, if not, I go right to radiation, and then hormone suppression therapy after that.

    Good luck with your procedure!

    Amy

  • Gemma12
    Gemma12 Member Posts: 137
    edited January 2016

    Congrats on being drain-free, BlueHeron! :)

  • Gemma12
    Gemma12 Member Posts: 137
    edited January 2016

    Goldenbride and MimiD - Hoping your procedures go well today! :)

    To everyone healing, hope things are going well.

    To everyone waiting for their day, hang in there... we are almost out of January! Prayers and positive thoughts for all.

  • DecisionFreak
    DecisionFreak Member Posts: 589
    edited January 2016

    Hi, Virginia, please wave hello to Monument Avenue for me. I went to collage in Richmond.

    For my first lumpectomy, I did not have drains. I don't know if drains are necessary for the SNB. The only reason I need drains is because I am having a special kind of plastic surgery known as oncoplasty, with mine being a bi-lateral breast reduction to reduce the risk of cancer.

  • Mominator
    Mominator Member Posts: 1,575
    edited January 2016

    Drains for exchange: my PS does drains for anatomicals because it is important that the anatomicals adhere to the chest wall right away and do not rotate. Fluid build up can prevent adhesion and cause rotation, thus the drains. Also, I had a lot of pocket work done on both breasts, including the removal of the fat tissue. My drains put out 75 and 85 the first day, and have been putting out about 50 each day, so I know my drains are doing their job.

    Don't rinse out your drains if your BS/PS says no. I guess I am a rebel.

    Yesterday and today I walked the dog 1.5 miles each time. I was very careful putting my hands in my pockets so if he pulled on the lease he wouldn't jerk my arm.

  • Melgirl
    Melgirl Member Posts: 165
    edited January 2016

    I may be delaying my reconstruction so that I can have my surgery on 1/29. I may need rads anyway due to size. Has anyone else delayed? If I don't my surgery will be delayed by 3 more weeks due to doctor vacations. :(

  • grandma3X
    grandma3X Member Posts: 759
    edited January 2016
    Melgirl - I was diagnosed in early November and waited over 2 months for surgery (holidays, surgery schedules, etc....). I would like to believe that it didn't matter but a study highlighted on breastcancer.org shows some (slight) impact on overall survival for every month of delay between dx and surgery. I'm not sure if 3 weeks would make any difference in the long run, except increase your anxiety.

    Gemma - did your surgeon order the Oncotype dx test? I was waiting to see my MO in Feb to see if he would order one for me, but I would like to have the results sooner so that I can make a decision. ILC does not normally respond to chemo but I think my tumor was big enough that I can justify asking for the test (if for no other reason than to confirm that chemo is not needed).

    Have a good weekend everyone! We are in the home stretch!
  • Gemma12
    Gemma12 Member Posts: 137
    edited January 2016

    Grandma3X - yes it was ordered this past Wed. at my first meeting with the MO. I wished it had been ordered earlier as I'm a perfect candidate for it. It's a $3,000 test so they don't order it until you see the MO. I'm so sorry your tumor ended up being much bigger than you expected. :(

    Sorry - just saw that you asked if my surgeon ordered it. No, she didn't. I asked but she told me I had to wait for the MO to do it.

  • Logang
    Logang Member Posts: 421
    edited January 2016

    Thanks for the welcome to the thread. I went for my preop visit on Wednesday. I will also be having a sentinel node biopsy, possible axilla node dissection. I am expected to stay one night. I'm just hoping I tolerate all of my medications after surgery. I will probably need a scope patch or compazine. I don't normally take anything but vitamins and supplements. I have issues with cold medicine making me nauseated, so I'm hoping the percocet and flexeril will go okay! Sending healing thoughts to those recovering and wishes for safe surgeries for those scheduled! We've got this!

  • JulieAggie03
    JulieAggie03 Member Posts: 71
    edited January 2016

    Melgirl-they did not check my prophylactic side nodes. It never came up as a possibility in our discussions either.


    Had both my drains pulled today, yay! Didn't really hurt either, Feels much better to not have to bother with those anymore!

  • stellamaris
    stellamaris Member Posts: 384
    edited January 2016

    @Grandma3X - my dx is very similar to yours. My MO recommended against chemo, but did order the oncotypedx to be sure. It came back high intermediate (27), and he stuck with his recommendation against chemo, as per the test results, chemo would only improve the odds of recurrence by about 3%, which in his opinion was not worth the side effects and efficacy of chemo for ILC. I decided to accept his recommendation.

  • Bliss58
    Bliss58 Member Posts: 1,154
    edited January 2016

    Grandma3X, so sorry to read you need more surgery. What a bummer that even an MRI didn't reveal the tumor size. You're so strong and positive, you'll make it through just fine.

    BlueHeron, so glad for you to have the drain out. Must be liberating.

    SVGSurvive, wow, I'm amazed at your post addressing us all. You are amazing! I was hoping for January 29 surgery, but now it turns out my date will be February 17th. At least I finally have a date!

    I'll join the February thread now, but will continue following this thread because I'm so familiar with you all and your journeys. Thank you for the information and advice I've received so far.

    I've gotten so far behind in reading posts that I can't remember much individually, so I'll just send cyber hugs and healing energy to all of you post-surgery and those who have surgery coming up this week.

  • chambo
    chambo Member Posts: 93
    edited January 2016

    Hi all,

    I'm a noobie in the boobie club. Dx in December - triple negative because I gotta be an overachiever :-), lumpectomy with wire loc and SNB on Jan 7th, port in on Jan 18th...now just waiting for everything to heal up. Starting chemo next month, then rads to follow once that is done. 2 weeks post lump and discovering all sorts of bruising still showing up, and I'm learning terminology I never knew about (cording! Sandpaper sensitive skin!) now applies to me.

    Really glad to have found this site, as it is so true...there's a lot of little details the surgeons leave out in their explanations.


  • Gemma12
    Gemma12 Member Posts: 137
    edited January 2016

    Hi Chambo - Welcome to the club that no one wants to be in. Lots of good info and support here. Your Surgery was similar to mine and just 2 days after mine. I have never heard the term sandpaper sensitive skin, but it sounds exactly like what's going on the back of my arm. I'm going to investigate it! Sorry about the cording! Have you talked to a LE specialist? I've read that early dx is key.

    Amy

  • virginia123
    virginia123 Member Posts: 21
    edited January 2016

    DecisionFreak - I am in Richmond and cannot greet Monument Ave for you as it is currently covered in 12 inches of snow and the snow is still falling! This town shuts down if it snows one inch, so I am grateful it is supposed to warm up and melt over the next few days, I would absolutely go crazy if my surgery were to be delayed!!!

    Gemma12 - I am super happy with a touch of envy that you got clear margins and clean nodes. That's all I think about right now! Also, I am fascinated that you all are mentioning the Oncotype test and that you are waiting for your results post-surgery. There is a newer generation gene assay test on the market now called MammaPrint. Most BS in this area are using it and it can be ordered using your biopsy sample! Mine has already come back and I am LOW RISK, one of the pieces of good news I have so far. The only problem is that the MammaPrint is not yet considered a standard of care and most insurance won't cover it. The cool part is that the manufacturer is trying to get it out there, so they sent a letter telling me to contact them when I get my bill and they will file an appeal to my insurance company on my behalf, and if that doesn't work they promise not to charge more than $500. I am happy to pay that since it gave me good news :) My distress comes from the fact that my HER2 came back equivocal on two separate tests, and they are going to order another one after surgery using a larger tissue sample. So I am not quite home free yet. Just need all this post-surgery pathology to come back in my favor and I too will escape chemo!

  • virginia123
    virginia123 Member Posts: 21
    edited January 2016

    And can those with lumpectomies tell me what to expect as far as activity? I am super active and love to play tennis. I am told 3-4 weeks on the tennis, but hope to be back on my feet and back in the gym within 7 days. I have a personal trainer ready to go as soon as I am able - we are going to do workouts without any left arm use to start, then gradually bring in range of movement exercises, then weight bearing when I am able.

  • grandma3X
    grandma3X Member Posts: 759
    edited January 2016
    Bjsmiller - I'm glad you finally have a surgery date! Give our best to the Feb group - I read through all of the Nov. and Dec. surgery groups in preparation for my surgery and I hope that our experiences here can help relieve some of the anxiety for those coming up next month.

    Stellamaris and Gemma - thank you for your input about Oncotype scores and chemo. I was obsessing about the size of the tumor (exactly 5.0 cm) - which is just on the boarder between "early stage" and "locally advanced" - and wondering if the pathologist was being generous (was it really 5.04 cm and he rounded down to 5.0) or cautious (maybe it was 4.96 cm and he rounded up?), and how this might affect my treatment plan. As it is, my BS is recommending that I talk to the radiologist because anything bigger than 5.0 usually gets rads. With ILC and positive hormone receptors, low Ki67 and negative Her2, I'm pretty sure the MO will not recommend chemo. Still it's nice to see a number for the Oncotype and know what kind of risk I have for recurrence.

    I was also obsessing about the single sentinel node removed during surgery. The guidelines still recommend total ALND (instead of SNB) for tumors 5 cm and greater. I'm glad I did not have the ALND but wonder how representative a single sentinel node is. I finally asked my BS and she said that the rate of false negative SNB is about 10%, so I feel a little better. I'll see what the RO says about axillary rads.

    Stay warm everyone! We have about 10-12 inches of snow in my part of DE and winds are howling.
  • stellamaris
    stellamaris Member Posts: 384
    edited January 2016

    @grandma3x - I hear you about obsessing on pathology results - my tumour was 4.5 cm, but i have been thinking if the margins aren't clear, do you add the extra piece that came out in the 2nd surgery (and the margins still were not clear) - so does that put me over 5 cm? and I am N0(i+), which means they found a few cancer cells in 2/3 nodes, although they consider that insignificant (N0). I read a research paper that said if there is lympho-vascular presence in conjunction with (N0(i+), it should be considered N1. Everything about my dx is in the high intermediate range - aaaaaaargh! :) lol...no more obsessing - it is what it is. I have to trust my onc team and focus on my recovery. That being said, I believe we need to know and understand every aspect of the dx so we are able to advocate for ourselves and ask the right questions. Stay warm - I'm originally from the east coast and I know about winter storms :)

    To everyone with surgeries coming up and everyone in recovery - sending hugs and healing prayers.

  • SVGsurvive
    SVGsurvive Member Posts: 87
    edited January 2016

    **************************WELCOME & UPCOMING SURGERIES ***************************

    Welcome to Melgirl, virginia123, chambo and mmshea! Date list is updated. Please don't be shy about posting.

    Logang, hope you're feeling ready for Monday. We have your back!

    mmshea (if interested) & CoolgrammieNC - The direct link to that February surgery topic is: https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/91/topics/840481?page=1#idx_4. If that link doesn't work, just click the blue SEARCH button at top of this page, and type "february surgeries 2016" and it should be one of the first results.

    **************************************************************************************************

    You are all very sweet re: my previous post. Please don't be fooled - my brain is just as overwhelmed by info. overload! Exacerbated by the fact that I'm finding myself too busy or sleepy to stay in lock-step with our posts here. However, I love how active our communication is. So when I find a quiet time where I'm feeling good like today, I play catch-up and take notes as I go before I post. I'm so thankful to grandma3X and others for being such regular responders!

    I also know what it's like when first posting to a discussion board like this. For many of us, we're private people and the thought of typing publicly about our nipple color or stool regularity is preposterous. I also imagine many folks are new to discussion boards in general. There's nothing worse than finally getting the courage to post, just to hear crickets. It can make you feel less supported than if you never posted at all. Long story short, I enjoy all of your posts!

    **************************************PERSONAL PINGS***************************************

    edwsmom - what radical surgery plan changes you've endured. The positive spin is that you can now rest assured that you're undergoing the right procedure for YOU.

    Kessa619 - sorry to hear that your movement is so restrictive, but that must mean you'll be that much farther ahead when done! Hope your sleep has improved. Leaving the "New Age" music channel on the TV or listening to a guided imagery podcast specifically made for sleep works like a charm for me. I'm sorry you have a TC regimen coming up. My advice w/ that cocktail is to keep your body moving in whatever capacity to minimize joint/muscle issues.

    grandma3X - stay strong and amazing and treadmilling. Interesting info. on SNB false negatives. They only took out 1 node for me as well (clumped next to another, so 2 max) and while I'm thrilled, I actually distrust such good news lately. That's probably unhealthy, eh?

    stellamaris - we had you down for 1/26 for your MX, but your signature line says 2/10. Did it move or am I mistaken? Is everything ok?

    Mominator - was the exchange your last surgery or do you have more to come? Kudos on long walks w/ your dog! I have two adorable and spazzy black labs that thankfully are getting their energy out via my sister & not me. Thank you & grandma3X for the nipple color replies. They're very dark, portions black - and I know black skin = dead skin so I'm mentally preparing for debridement and potential loss.

    Gardnergirls - welcome to the other side of surgery!

    JulieAggie03 & BlueHeron - drain removal high five! So glad it's made such a difference for you and others. For me it simply removed the need to drain/milk/track it. Most importantly, it means progress.

    Bjsmiller - yay for a date! Did you determine when you'll stop working leading up to it?

    chambo - lol, we are all Noobies in the Boobie Club. Just wanted to say I'm sure your port seems super strange and invasive and unnatural, but it was the most positive part of chemo for me. I would recommend it to everyone.

    **************************************TIPS & INFO***************************************

    Although endless hours were spent reading about surgery prep for my BMX/TE, here are some things I learned from actual experience in case it helps anyone, or stirs them to ask their med team questions.

    • Prep Stress: it's not worth too much anxiety to try to have every last thing prepared. The most important thing is to have a loved one at the ready to compensate for what you forgot or didn't know about. That, and Amazon Prime - my savior for quick turnaround on items.
    • Packing: consider packing for more than the # of night(s) anticipated in the hospital.
    • Ativan: unlike others, I wasn't allowed to take it or any other anti-anxiety med the morning of surgery. I found that odd until I learned that they intended to offer a short-lasting equivalent in the hours leading to surgery called Versed. I took it - it made me sleepy. Future offers I declined because I wanted to be "alert & pure" rolling into the OR.
    • Alloderm: I kept hearing about how this is used for recon (TEs at least), and I couldn't get a straight answer if that would apply to me. At last my PS told me that he decides during the operation if it's needed for extra support (based on size of TE vs. size of pectoral muscle & other reasons).
    • Post-Op Bra: Kaiser provided my compression bra, which is to be worn 24/7 for 3 weeks. However, at some point that needs to be cleaned & so buying a back-up one is wise. Don't be surprised if you get fitted for it pre-surgery, and then the first few days post-surgery it won't fit. Swelling was to blame.
    • Hospital Records: the nurses did a poor job of tracking my drain amounts while I was there & my PSNP said that's typical. It's probably not critical those first 2-3 days though, because you're not a candidate for having a drain removed until you're emptying a certain, low amount of milliliters (ml) / cubic centimeters (cc) for 1-2 days anyway. Reaching that threshold in those first days is pretty unlikely.
    • Mouthwash: they say keep your mouth clean with mouthwash, but I find the typical over the counter ones too strong. Biotene is a mouthwash suggested during chemo and it works great for post-surgery too. Any decent pharmacy should have it in the toothpaste aisle in the "dry mouth" section.
    • Photos: an ironic note that I'm taking them daily to track progress, just to find on my iPhone that Facebook has a newer feature that collects your latest pictures taken & offers to post them to your Wall. HELLO! I'm very careful not to click the button that accepts that offer....
    • Nausea: I was super nauseous post-op from the anesthesia. I then realized the anesthesia doctor making the rounds while we all waited in the pre-op room asked everyone but me if I tend to be sea sick or car sick. As such, I didn't get any anti-nausea patch. Boo.
    • Ice Packs: I'm pretty aghast at how much I've read on the internet that folks use ice to help lessen the pain, now that I've learned how important circulation is post-op. Circulation thrives on warmth, and vessels constrict in cold.
    • Daily Meds: despite going over my daily meds/vitamins with multiple folks before surgery, once I was at the hospital not all of them were ready. Example, my daily Dulera inhaler wasn't available nor ordered until I asked about it while in my post-op, narcotic-induced haze. Lame.
    • Small Pillows: do not underestimate how useful small & oddly shaped pillows will be as I did - particularly the small heart-shaped ones that go under your arms, or a neck pillow while in bed.
    • Pain Med Schedule: I've seen lots of great ideas about staying on schedule for pain meds once you're home. Sadly, none worked for me. So on my phone I set multiple alarms that would go off to remind me. Example, say it's almost noon and I need a med every 4 hours. In advance I set up alarms for 12pm, 4pm, 8pm, 12am, 4am, and 8am. Once the 12pm alarm goes off, I turn it off & turn it back on a minute later so it's ready to go off the next time. Moral of the story: we may forget to take them and our caretakers may too, but phones don't!
    • Comfort Item: It's ok to feel 7 again and bring something with you to the hospital that makes you feel safe and happy. I brought a comfort item with me and they actually let me take it all the way into the OR (it was a stuffed figure). Every tiny bit of comfort counts.

    Time for a meal & a stroll now - happy Saturday to all.

  • grandma3X
    grandma3X Member Posts: 759
    edited January 2016

    SVGsurvive - LOL about the photos! I need to check my Facebook settings!!

  • BlueHeron
    BlueHeron Member Posts: 154
    edited January 2016

    SVG great tips!

    Today my husband and 10 year old dtr got to see full frontal view (no recon). My husband said it gives me character. My dtr said I look tough. Go family!

  • Bliss58
    Bliss58 Member Posts: 1,154
    edited January 2016

    SVGsurvive, I too chuckled at the thought of your photos auto-posting to FB! HR told me I'll have 33 hrs. accrued between vacation/sick/personal time, so I'm thinking maybe I'll take most of that time before surgery since I can then tap into our sick bank for surgery and recovery. I have to use all that time before I can access the sick bank, so why not before surgery rather than after, right? I second your statement about the port and chemo! Thanks for the link to the February thread.

  • violethope
    violethope Member Posts: 32
    edited January 2016

    Virginia 123- re lumpectomy and activity/exercise. I run and was so discouraged when my BS said I couldn't do anything for 2 weeks post-lumpectomy in October. She explained that with exercise there could be a build up of scar tissue and perhaps infection and if that happened it might mean months of "packings and dressings" in the lumpectomy site itself. It was hard but I listened to her and it healed quite nicely. I even waited a few extra days as I wanted to make sure it was healed. I am a nurse and have seen way too many complicated incisions! A few weeks goes by very quickly and I wanted to avoid any possible complications as this journey is so difficult at the best of times!

    Everyone-keep up the faith and greetings from Nova Scotia! I still read the posts regularly and wishing everyone all the best!

  • Bliss58
    Bliss58 Member Posts: 1,154
    edited January 2016

    BlueHeron, Go Family! That is wonderful they are so supportive. I imagine my hubby and dd would react the same; I hope.

  • BlueHeron
    BlueHeron Member Posts: 154
    edited January 2016

    Bjsmiller, I have no doubt. I will look in on you in the feb surgery thread, I know you will do great

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