Breast reconstruction is not going as planned AT ALL.

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lorihoop
lorihoop Member Posts: 19
edited February 2016 in Breast Reconstruction

Hi all,

Is there anybody else out there who had to settle for much smaller implants than they originally hoped for? How did you deal with it??
I'm pretty heartbroken over all of this. Cancer took my hair, my boobs, my sense of femininity and has ruined the sex life with my husband because I'm too embarassed for him to see me naked.

Yes, I'll be wearing pushup bras 24/7 after the implants come in, but that doesn't help when I'm naked....

My implants were originally supposed to be proportionate to my body, but since I've had some wound healing issues and my surgeon had to remove quite a bit of skin a few days ago they'll be much, much smaller.

Not sure who I can even talk to about this, any time I mention it all I get is that I'm lucky to be alive, and should be grateful I'll get what I'm even getting.

I am trying very hard to stay positive and optimistic, but this is weighing heavily on me. Flap procedure is not an option for me, I've had too many surgeries the past 3 years and do not want any more if I don't absolutely need them.

I cannot even find pictures on teh internet of women who have had reconstruction with very small implants so I can get an idea of what I'll look like when the exchange is done.

Sorry i'm rambling, just very bummed out right now. Thanks for listening.

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  • Obxflygirl1
    Obxflygirl1 Member Posts: 377
    edited January 2016

    How small do you think you are? It does take time for implants to drop, settle in and that can give you a little bit more projection. How long has it been since your surgery? Whippet mom is a great resource for reconstruction problems. Sorry you are going through a hard time. I'm pretty small I think, compared to most who get implants. 34-B. I could send a pic. Private message me if you want. Others will be chiming in, I'm sure soon

  • Leslie13
    Leslie13 Member Posts: 202
    edited January 2016

    I'm a C. I've had a few residents (I'm at a teaching hospital) assume I was still in the expansion process. I wanted a nipple sparing immediate implant, and was told I'd have to be the same size or smaller to be successful. It has been, but I must admit that I want to be a little larger once in awhile.

  • lorihoop
    lorihoop Member Posts: 19
    edited January 2016

    Thank you ladies. Obxflygirl1, I am thinking I will be an A cup at best and am very discouraged. I'm sending you a pic of what I have now. It's not pretty nor will it ever be... There are stitches and it's pretty horrid looking, so be prepared. I am filled to 220cc on the right side, and it's healing beautifully. Left side where all the problems are is filled to 150cc.

    Trying to find pictures on the internet of women who have gotten very small implants after bmx is nearly impossible. They're all pretty large chested. I pm'd the moderators in this group about getting access to the photo section here, but haven't heard anything yet.

    After the bmx, I had a spot that opened up adn was very deep and large. It took months to heal, but the skin there was so thin it opened up again while we were expanding. Now it's stitched shut, but my ps had to cut dead skin off and open me up further to sew healthy skin together which means pretty much nixing any chance of further expansion.

    I am seriously considering a flap procedure at this point, something I said I'd never do.

    After cancer, losing my hair and my sense of self, I was really really hoping to reconstruct similar to what I was before this all happened so at least I would feel like my old self again.

  • dtad
    dtad Member Posts: 2,323
    edited January 2016

    Hi lori. I know exactly how you feel. I was a DD before surgery and now Im a C cup. I knew I would be smaller but opted for it anyway because that was the only way I could have one stage reconstruction. Im so grateful that I don't have to get fills and a second surgery, but getting used to my new boobs has been difficult. I feel like it completely changed my figure. I went from being curvy to being pear shaped. My clothes don't look good anymore either. Its been 7 months since the BMX and as time goes on I am adjusting to the new me. Just one more thing bc steals from us. Sorry to be so negative but want to validate your feelings. Good luck and keep us posted...

  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited January 2016

    You could look in to fat transfer once you have healed, that would help if done very slowly.......with a PS experienced in it.  Don´t be hard on yourself, I have been forced to be one sided for almost 4 years now and I cannot find words to tell you how I feel.......there are other options but it will take longer than you originally planned

    Good luck

  • Obxflygirl1
    Obxflygirl1 Member Posts: 377
    edited January 2016

    I received your pic and sent one to you. Your expanders look exactly like mine did at the very beginning. I can go back and see what I was filled to if you want. I'm thinking I ended up with 400cc implants

  • lorihoop
    lorihoop Member Posts: 19
    edited January 2016

    Got the pic, and thank you. It helps talking to an actual person about it rather than just seeing photos doctors post on their websites. Yours turned out fabulous, and I'd be thrilled with that result.

    If you could see what you were filled to I'd appreciate it.

    When I go back to get the stitches out my PS and I are going to have a loooong talk, and if no more expanding can be safely done without risk of ripping the stitches open and I decide to get a flap surgery and she can't do it, I will switch surgeons. The more I think about this, the less I am willing to settle for teeny tiny implants. There are plenty of doctors out there, I just have to find a good one.

    I was forcing myself to accept that this is it and be happy with it because it still is better than being caved in like I was, but I want to be happy with this long term.

    God that sounds so vain, but it is what it is.....

    Thank you to everybody who replied. I feel like a bit weight has been lifted off of my shoulders reading on this site and hearing about other people who have similar issues yet went on to have successful reconstructions.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited January 2016

    I had a great deal of skin necrosis, particularly on the left side after skin and nip sparing BMX in 2010.  My skin ripped open through the necrotic area and my TE was extruding, so I had an emergency surgery about 7 weeks after the BMX.  I had difficulty healing and had two more skin excision surgeries before the left TE was completely removed so that I could proceed to chemo.  This area was about two inches long, for reference, and exceedingly thin - compounded by an abnormally thin pectoral muscle.  I finally healed (with the TE out) and it was replaced, without fill, about two months after chemo was done, while I was still on Herceptin.  No problems at all, and filled at 25cc weekly all the way to 550ccs and exchanged without incident to a 600cc implant. I would recommend being focused on healing your skin first, then on expanding later.  You can PM me if you have any specific questions, or if I can help in any way. 

  • lorihoop
    lorihoop Member Posts: 19
    edited January 2016

    Thanks SpecialK. The surgeon is pretty optimistic that the skin will heal properly now. She excised quite a bit of skin on Tuesday (anything that appeared too thin and not healthy) and sewed up only healthy skin. She also moved the Alloderm around a bit, and flushed the pocket the expander lays in out with antibactierial solution. If this were addressed after the dmx properly I likely wouldn't be in this position, but I can't change that. Time to focus on healing. You are right.


    I am limited with uppper body activity at the moment as to not put any strain on the stitches, and would have been bored out of my mind if I hadn't have found this site. Been reading in here all day.

    I read on one of the threads about the cool whip containers under the tee shirt to keep the skin supple and was cracking up. Hey, it's a great idea though!

    I know you understand where I'm coming from with all of this, and so do a lot of the other ladies here. It's very discouraging when there is problem after problem after problem. I have been reading in here all day, and have a little idea of what you went through. God bless you, and I am so, so glad it all worked out for you in the end.


  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited January 2016

    I am certainly hopeful that you do heal now that your surgeon has debrided the area and excised back to healthy skin.  I will warn you however, this does not always work, particularly if your skin is reacting to the TE as a foreign body.  I had 3 skin excisions back to healthy bleeding skin prior to having my first expander removed.  Once the skin had healed over the seven months the expander was out I had no further issues with replacement of the expander and expansion and exchange to a silicone implant.  Even though I exchanged and had my implants in place for two years, during a surgery in March 2014 to replace my allograft material (mine was perforating - a very unusual development) the same thin area of skin tore open in two locations.  I had three surgeries over the course of the following three months, each time cutting back to bleeding skin, but the skin would not stay closed - also remaining quiet trying to heal - and it just didn't happen.  I ended up losing the left implant and it was out until last month, I had a new TE placed in December and am now going through the expansion process again, after an additional two surgeries to graft fat in hopes of encouraging the skin to thicken and bulk up underneath (I do also recommend trying this!) with the hope of exchanging sometime this year.  I would advise you to try to eat a lot of protein - like 100g daily, and possibly supplement with bromelaine and zinc to help you heal.  Good luck - I'm pulling for you!

    Also wanted to add that these types of complications, and/or loss of a TE, does not signal the end of the road for implant reconstruction.  Not minimizing the difficulty or how upsetting it can be for some, but there are many that have gone on to successful reconstruction after some challenges!

  • lorihoop
    lorihoop Member Posts: 19
    edited January 2016

    Thanks Specialk. I was just back in the office this afternoon because the stitches didn't hold. I still jave a hole and the alloderm is showing through. Again. I only saw the nurse today but do go back on Monday and I am asking about doing a flap procedure.

    Discouraged doesn't even negin to describe how I am feeling right now. I know you get it.

  • Moonflwr912
    Moonflwr912 Member Posts: 6,856
    edited January 2016

    Lori hoop, I'm so sorry you are going through this. There are women on the board who have been through a lot. (Hi, Specialk! ) Some women have had to have the TE removed. Some more than once (look below) Some have had to pack open wounds for weeks. Not trying to scare you, most of these women did have successful implants after their problems. There is a TE Trouble board with lots of women with stories. Feel free to pop in there for support.

    Doctors don't always take the time to explain that implants for reconstruction are not the same work as for augmentation. For one thing, augmentation is done over breast tissue so the projection is much greater. That is impossible for reconstruction because, of course, we have NO breast tissue. Sad but true. Our implants are under the chest muscle to help support their weight. A natural breast is basically held up by every cell in the breast interconnecting. Our implants are held up by the muscle it's placed behind and skin. Sometimes there's an added matrix sling like Alloderm to support and hold it up. But physics has limits.

    I feel the pain of not being the self you always knew. However, even though it's not the same, you are still you. Bloodied, battleworn, and befuddled as you are, you're still in there. It takes a while till our vision of ourself matches what we see. But it does happen.

    Hugs and much love.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited January 2016

    lorihoop - if you are opposed to a flap procedure, I would suggest removal of the TE and allowing the damaged skin to heal, possibly with some fat grafting prior to a new TE.  This is what I did when I had a hole in the skin that would not stay closed, large enough to clearly view the allograft material.  It took a while, but I am now having no problem.  I have had a total 6 surgeries on the left to excise skin, and 2 fat grafts, but am currently expanded to 300cc and my PS is feeling like I will make 500cc.  The implant I lost in '14 was a 600cc after three skin surgeries and removal of the first TE, so don't lose hope if you would really prefer implant recon.

  • debiann
    debiann Member Posts: 1,200
    edited January 2016

    I'm so sorry you are having so much difficulty with recon. I did DIEP. After my first revision surgery to lift and shape I looked down and the mounds looked so small. I cried for days. My PS reassured me that they would loosen and fall into place, and they did. I'm a little smaller than I wanted to be, but nicely shaped and lifted, unlike the originals. I've gotten used to them.

    Take it one day at a time. Let your body heal. Things  may turn out better than you expect. If not, there are likely other options. For now try to relax and heal. Good luck to you.

  • lorihoop
    lorihoop Member Posts: 19
    edited January 2016

    Thanks ladies. I am trying not to get all hysterical and feel defeated about this, but as you all know it's hard not to when things don't go as planned. A few more days when my brain gets used to the idea of having to start over again and I'll be fine. I guess it will be just another notch in my belt towards warrior status...lol

    They already call me bionic woman because of all the metal in my neck and shoulder from reconstruction surgeries and then the cancer, what's another "feat of strength", right? :)

    I really am opposed to the flap surgery unless it's last, last resort, and perhaps I'm NOT giving this enough time Special K. I think now that maybe taking the TE expander out, excising the skin again and letting it heal for a long time really is the way to go THEN we can decide to work with what we've got, or decide on flap surgery if the tissue is not as good as expected. The thin tissue where I had that gigantic deep hole healed after my mastectomy, but was never excised back to healthy skin, and when we started expanding that's when the hole reappeared. Makes total sense what you just said.

    Thank you so much ladies. Not feeling alone in this process is a tremendous, tremendous help.

    We moved to a very small town back in June, because I just couldn't keep up with our house/yard in the other house because of my physical limitations with the neck and shoulder, but there are no support groups within a 25 mile radius.
    Hope everybody has a great weekend.

  • lorihoop
    lorihoop Member Posts: 19
    edited January 2016

    debian, I hear you on looking at the small mounds and crying. When the te's were first expanded they looked soooo small, but now that the right one has relaxed and dropped it's a total change. Still way too small for my liking, but now I won't be alarmed when the implants go in because I will know the process they have to go through to get their final shape.
    A little smaller I could deal with, right now it looks like "why even bother" status...lol

    Glad it worked out for you.


  • bikefam
    bikefam Member Posts: 127
    edited February 2016

    I've been trying to find posts on any forum that I can relate with and maybe this one will be the one, since I am not happy with my breast reconstruction either. Before a unilateral mx, I was very small (A cup) and didn't really mind it, but when the ps said I had to have a small implant in the non-mx side to lift it up to match the mx side, I thought I'd go with a small B. I had 100 cc smooth round moderate + implant in my non-mx side and 350 cc smooth round high profile in my mx side. I love the non mx side. It is nicely shaped and just a little bigger. However, the mx side looks like some odd 5 sided shape, is flat and is very much higher than the non-mx side. It has been 2 months since exchange (Dec 8). Everyone says it can take 4-6 months for it to "drop and fluff", but it has not moved at all as of yet. The strange thing is that when the ps saw me at 5 weeks, he was shocked because both sides were exactly even when I was released from the OR, he says, or he would not have released me. He says the non-mx side has already dropped. Well, by the time I first looked at it about day 2, they were already uneven, so evidently the non-mx side dropped immediately after surgery and the mx side is taking its own sweet time. I am so uneven that it is obvious in clothing. At least it is winter now and sweaters somewhat hide it. I am not looking forward to what I look like in summer clothes. Sorry for ranting. I am trying to be patient and wait the full 6 months to see if my other side drops, but I really have my doubts and like many of you have been through so many surgeries that I just wanted to be done with it.

  • lorihoop
    lorihoop Member Posts: 19
    edited February 2016

    I'm so sorry you're not happy with your results. After all of this, your only wish is to probably be somewhat happy with the reconstruction, and I think almost all of us go in with reasonable expectations. Not looking right in the Summer clothes is huge, and I hate when people poo poo you off on that. It's huge. When is your next visit with your PS, maybe he/she has another idea? I know you dread more surgery as well. I get it, and I think everybody here does.
    I know nothing about all of this, but there is 1 question that pops into my head.
    Is the implant on the non mx side under the muscle? I am wondering if that's why you are noticing the difference?
    This reconstruction business is not for the faint of heart, that's for sure.

    Update on my surgery yesterday:
    I had my left tissue expander removed yesterday due to a wound that just wouldn't heal, but the ps put another 80cc in the right side and it still has plenty of room to go for fills. We're doing a flap procedure down the road eventually with one of my surgeons colleagues because she doesn't do them anymore, and just that little 80cc she put in the right side has made all the difference between me being completely unhappy with this process so far, to THRILLED at how the final result will look when the flap procedure will be done, providing it takes and holds well. This probably sounds so weird, but I am so darn proud of that foob, and keep looking at it in the mirror...lol

    I can't believe what a difference 80cc's made as far as size/shape. Although I'll be left with one breast for more than likely the entire Summer so clothing will be challenging, but the very high hopes of being able to go very close to what I originally envisioned when this began has made a world of difference in my mood and outlook.

    Thank you so much ladies for listening and for the encouragement. Happy to have found this group.

  • debiann
    debiann Member Posts: 1,200
    edited February 2016

    Bikefam, So sorry your recon is not right yet, but I'm sure your PS will have a solution. It is so frustrating when one looks perfect while the other is wonky. I had the same thing happen with my DIEP recon, but one extra revision surgery fixed it. Good luck to you.

  • bikefam
    bikefam Member Posts: 127
    edited February 2016

    Lorihoop and debiann, Thanks for the responses. I realize there are many people worse off than me, so I feel bad complaining. Lori, glad you are looking forward to the final results. Since I had delayed reconstruction, I spent all last summer with one breast. I got a prosthesis and it looked great and was very comfortable. I really considered not having reconstruction. The biggest reason to do so was being comfortable in locker rooms since I swim and work out alot. Also, if I didn't get reconstruction, I'd always wonder "what if".

    To answer your question, yes, the implant on my non-mx side is under the muscle. What I also don't understand is that the TE was very high and misshapen, and the ps said that didn't matter-the implant would be in the right place and right shape. Well, it isn't, at least not yet. I can't see how the implant is going to shape the muscle right if the TE couldn't. The ps mentioned that if the mx side doesn't drop like the other, he could do a lift to the non-mx side. I hate to have him monkey with the side I like however. Hopefully there will be some improvements by June when I see him. I guess I just have to be patient. At least I have been released from all restrictions and I am free to run, swim, exercise and HOLD MY GRANDDAUGHTER, which I couldn't do for 5 months. So for now I'm enjoying life.

  • bikefam
    bikefam Member Posts: 127
    edited February 2016

    If anyone is following this thread, I went out and bought some new padded bras this weekend. They cover everything up so I look pretty even in clothes. Starting to get used to the new me.


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