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  • Sammy3
    Sammy3 Member Posts: 136
    edited January 2016

    YAY! you get to do #3! The self-inject isn't bad! I give it to myself in my tummy. They said to grab it like you are holding a fat roll, then do it there. The instructions in the box are pretty good too.

  • Twirp26
    Twirp26 Member Posts: 178
    edited January 2016

    sammy3, that is awesome that they are doing that to make up for it!! I did not notice a problem with mine but I'm using the lavender. So far I am really pleased. I will probably start breaking out soon. Seems to be week 2 that I get diarrhea and pimples:( it's nice to know that they are willing to work with you on product. I know how some smells can be bothersome!! Hope your doing well!!

  • KickinBootay
    KickinBootay Member Posts: 38
    edited January 2016

    imageI haven't posted in a long while.....Im half way done 6 of 12! I should be excited.....but am finding myself down in the dumps a lot lately! AC was so much easier for me than this taxol crap! My 1 and 1/2 hour weekly drip is now 4 hours because the need to have 2 liters of fluids to avoid an allergic reaction.....they tried to get me to take MORE steroids to speed up the process but the steroids made me a raging bitch and unable to sleep the 2 nights prior to my chemo so I said Ill sit 4 hours in this chair if it means not taking the pills. The acne is painful and the 10 lb weight gain is pissing me off too not to mention the fact that my hair grew quite a bit between my surgeries and the start of taxol (2months) is now starting to come out again.....yet the chin hairs begin to grow... But Im 1/2 way done hahaha I feel like a lunatic in my mind because Im so all over the place! Rainbows and butterflies! :)

  • redrock75
    redrock75 Member Posts: 34
    edited January 2016

    pezgirl, glad to hear your ok!! 😘

    Kickinbootay, ugh? I always hear taxol is gonna be easier!! Now I'm scared!


    AC #3 today, just one left!!!

    image

  • KickinBootay
    KickinBootay Member Posts: 38
    edited January 2016

    Everyone is different that's for sure Redrock75! I heard horror stories about AC and it was super easy for me. This taxol crap and me are not getting along! I try to stay positive,.....no one can be "ON" all the time! I keep reminding myself #7 on Friday and then only 5 more weeks.....

  • Sammy3
    Sammy3 Member Posts: 136
    edited January 2016

    Hang in there girls. I get so confused by all the different chemo protocols - how do they know which ones to give us, lol. Even some of us who have the same biomakers are getting slightly different! I guess that's why they went to med school.

    I went to my Look Good, Feel Better last night. It was fun! Only 6 of us in there, but still good. The kits are worth it alone! It seemed like they varied, because even the 6 of us had somewhat different variety (even with same skin tone). But I had several Estee Lauder items (including an awesome full size night time moisturizer AND and eye serum that easily would have cost over $50 each). There was also some Avon, Smashbox, Elizabeth Arden, and drug store brands in there. Oh, I almost forgot - one of the cool things for me was 2 makeup brushes from IT Cosmetics and also their brow pencil/brush. I had just recently heard of that brand and it seems pretty cool. I looked at their website and there is a tutorial video on it that shows how to do the brows. And I think it says on there that for everyone of those pencils they sell, they donate one to Look Great, Feel Better.

    Anyway, I recommend it. I am not a huge makeup person and I admit it was fun. I probably should have had this makeup class when I was younger so that I knew all the tricks. But I will take it at 44 :)

  • Opt4Life
    Opt4Life Member Posts: 191
    edited January 2016

    Tuesday greetings ladies, hope all are well (or as well as can be) this week.

    KickinBoota, love the the name but sorry to hear that Taxol is kickin yours. I've definitely heard that AC is harder but as we all know too well, everyone is different. Pre-taxol steroids are keeping me up and making me gain weight too but I try not to focus on it because other that I feel pretty good. Congrats on being half way done.

    Sammy, I questioned my pre-chemo regimen of Taxol before AC and was basically told that there are likely several different treatment options for everyone and so you get the one your MO feels is most likely to work based on their experience. My lump is no longer palpable and I haven't even done AC yet so my MO was pleased to hear I am no longer questioning chemo and am moving on to questionsing my BS about surgery expectations

  • chinacat
    chinacat Member Posts: 78
    edited March 2016

    You all look so beautiful. I still haven't worn my wig. It's all about how it feels. I can't really find the right word for the wig feeling, but I hate wearing it. I have been wearing Buffs and I love them. Being bald brings out kindness in others, not pity either, just kindness.

    I get my 4th and final AC tomorrow. For some reason, I'm more nervous than usual. Staying positive (my life mission) is getting tough to maintain. I guess the positive thing is I'll be 1/2 done. But I'm still pissed and emotional and I don't want to go. Can I cancel my appointment? Haha. Enough rambling...thanks for letting me vent.


  • proctor1725
    proctor1725 Member Posts: 33
    edited January 2016

    I started running a fever yesterday and noticed some pain in my right side. Looks like my implant is infected. UGH! They gave me oral antibiotics today and they will give me IV antibiotics tomorrow. My plastic surgeon said "best case, we caught it early and it will go away." do you want to know worst case? No, thanks! I can't handle that right now.....I am sure it invovles another surgery and delay of chemo. Anyone else had this issue?
    Happy thoughts to everyone! Love the pics!

  • Sammy3
    Sammy3 Member Posts: 136
    edited January 2016

    oh no proctor! I didn't even know that could happen! :(

  • jodes001
    jodes001 Member Posts: 92
    edited January 2016

    Hi all!

    So, I had #7 taxol/ Herceptin yesterday. Looking back, just wanted to tell you about weird reactions I had. With #2, I got restless legs, so my doc quit giving me benedryl and just had me take a Claritin prior. That was ok, no reactions for #3 and #4....then with #5 Taxol. about 3/4 of the way through, I got severe abdominal pains, (felt like cramps or bad gas?) I quickly popped 4 advil because it REALLY hurt. they stopped the Taxol early, and after the advil kicked in pain went away. With #6, the nurse asked if I wanted a lesser dose of Benedryl, to see if that keeps the abdominal pain away, and that worked. Yesterday with #7, the nurse didnt give me the benedryl (I guess the other nurse didnt put it in chart)l, and whoa, abdominal pain again! I took advil again, and they gave me the benedryl right then, and pain went away. Now its in my chart to ALWAYS give me the low dose of Benedryl. The nurse said this side effect would be more common during the Herceptin, but confused about it happening during Taxol....?

    I was wondering if anyone else has had abdominal pain during Taxol?? Really curious about this..

    Thx for any input!!

    Jodi

  • KickinBootay
    KickinBootay Member Posts: 38
    edited January 2016

    Oh ChinaCat I feel you about being all over the place!!! I felt the same way about my 4th AC do it and be done! Jodes my reaction to Taxol was tightness in chest and flushed....I said something right away and just with adding fluids with my drips I am fine. My chemo nurse changed on dose #3 I told her that my first nurse gave me fluids with my taxol because I get a reation....she didnt listen and had my worst reaction....she listens now because I had to be extra stern (borderline bitchy I admit) I did have restless legs with #2! Its the weirdest damn thing! I only had it during my second dose and seemed to not come back....With dose #5 I had lower back pain but nothing crazy....I would ask your chemo nurse about adding fluid....that seemed to do the trick for me because I do not want more drugs....If I could go with the steroids in my premed bag I would....Im not a fan of those! Im not doing the 5 2mg dexamethasone tablets for 2 days prior to chemo just to speed up my time sitting in the chair....Ill sit for 4 hours that's fine with me.

    Chinacat my daughter and I (shes 17) designed and made this shirt....(notice the hair, this was from Oct 1st it grew so much in 2 months!) thought you'd get a kick out of it ;)image

  • PezGal
    PezGal Member Posts: 99
    edited January 2016

    Chinacat - do it, do it! Wrap your mind around it and DO IT! I did my last AC last Thursday. By far the least "interesting" of the infusions (meaning fairly boring SE's - other than finger pain today (weird)). There's a real sense of accomplishment checking that box DONE!

    I'm prepping for 12 wks of taxol. My MO kept giving me pep talks "After the AC's it's all down hill. So much easIer." We shall see... I don't have the energy to go through 24 pages of old posts so I'll just re-ask: anyone that has gone through taxol or is going through taxol, what are your thoughts on B6, glutamine, and acupuncture to ward off neuropathy? I've read things, but looking for 1st hand knowledge. Hah. Fist HAND knowledge.. Also heard in rare cases the vitamins promote hair growth (my MO assures me I'll be completely bald by the end - but I kinda want to show her).

  • jodes001
    jodes001 Member Posts: 92
    edited January 2016

    Pezgal- I've had 7 Taxol with NO neuropathy. I'm not taking any supplements on a regular basis..( my bad?)

    Jodi

  • CyndiNic
    CyndiNic Member Posts: 59
    edited January 2016

    Jodi - I go for #7 Taxol tomorrow and have not had abdominal pain but I am on extra steroids the night before and morning of as well as a full bag of benedryl due to breaking out in a rash weeks ago.

    PezGal - no neuropathy for me either. I am taking B6 daily, that is all my MO would allow.

    My energy level does seem to be decreasing week by week, but I managed to get to my favorite Zumba class tonight so hopefully I will rest well tonight!

    Cyndi

  • chinacat
    chinacat Member Posts: 78
    edited January 2016

    PezGal - thank you for the encouragement. Just an emotional day for me. I haven't been this emotional since the week before I started. One of my soul sisters is going with me tomorrow so that should make it better. I have also had finger pain and my thumb nails are growing in grey.

    Kickinbootay - that shirt made me laugh. I love it! Nothing like putting it right out there for everyone. I actually said those exact words to someone who complimented my 'hair'. I was a little embarrassed when I realized that she already knew. Seriously, a bald head really brings out kindness in people. I'm taking it all in and loving it❤️

  • KrisCrzala
    KrisCrzala Member Posts: 32
    edited January 2016

    Congrats to those of you who are finishing or near to the end of your chemo!! I have 2 infusions of AC left (1 this Thursday if healthy enough) which hasn't been too bad and then I start taxol which I also heard is a lot easier. Little scared now but I was really scared before I started AC. So, I'm going to try to stay positive until then. Didn't realize it was so bad they give you Benadryl. I asked about AC when I started it because Benadry kicks my but, but they said they don't give it to you with AC. I really haven't asked about taxol yet. I was going to ask about it in this forum but PezGal beat me to it.

    PezGal, so glad you are feeling better!!

    Chinacat - so glad you had such a relaxing time in Mexico. Good to get your mind off of this for awhile.

    What does B6 do? My MO doesn't want me on any vitamins because it defeats the purpose of chemo. He just allows calcium and probiotics. Can you help me out with why B6 would be helpful with taxol so I can talk to him before then? Thanks so much.

    Proctor - hope you are feeling better and the antibiotics are working!!

    It breaks my heart to see how many young woman are in this forum. I am 50 and my MO told me I was young. I feel like an old lady here. After doing a ton of research on breast cancer, I found out how there is an increase of breast cancer in younger woman. I am so worried for my 3 daughters. Just wanted to say I am so proud to be a part of this group. You are amazing woman with such positive attitudes. And those of you with small children are Super Women!! I don't know how you do it. Keep on kicking cancer in the but and stay strong!!

  • mvspaulding
    mvspaulding Member Posts: 446
    edited January 2016

    Proctor, hang tough and hoping for the best outcome for you. I didn't even know that was a possibility either

    I know Iwont be looking forward to future fills in these expanders. Last one left me sore for days and I still can't sleep on my side. Just feel like two heavy rocks on my chest.

    I know what you mean Chinacat. I go in on Thursday for #3 and I'm really really dreading it. It's a cruel joke that you start to feel a little normal just a few days before they zap you again.

  • Tesla
    Tesla Member Posts: 53
    edited January 2016

    PezGal: my MO told me taxol induced neuropathy is more common than nausea/vomiting. So far, I'm on Taxol #8, no neuropathy yet. And no supplements.

  • Twirp26
    Twirp26 Member Posts: 178
    edited January 2016

    so, I met with my surgeon today. Apparently he wants me to have more chemo to get a better pathological result before surgery. I am so frustrated right now. I started this journey taking the recommendation from my family doctor on oncologists. I have since switched oncologists due to the lack of response from his staff. Apparently my original oncologist chose an old school treatment plan for me. My new oncologist (who I love) was going to continue the path I started. I should be having carboplatin in my mix for 6 rounds, had I started with this one. (No wonder I have had an easy go of it) now I need more chemo. I wish I got a second opinion from the start😞 I have also been all for double mastectomy but learned that the numbers are about the same as a lumpectomy. Not to mention my reconstruction options suck because I need radiation first. I have no idea what to do. Next year can't come soon enough! Wishing you all well! Sorry for my self centered rant

  • chinacat
    chinacat Member Posts: 78
    edited January 2016

    twirp - rant away. You're allowed!! FYI I had 2 consults with surgeons and 2 with oncologists. All 4 told me lumpectomy plus radiation equals mastectomy. Everyone is different so this may not be the same for you. Just letting you know.

  • Sammy3
    Sammy3 Member Posts: 136
    edited January 2016

    Twirp - I'm sorry :( But now we will be true soul sisters. I meet with my surgeon next week and will let you know what he says to see if its a similar story to what you are getting. I suspect he will tell me to go with a BMX as I had this in my right now, and in 2011 I had atypia on my left . So apparently my body isn't cooperating. But I have heard lumpectomy is just as good as BMX! However, if you really want BMX for peace of mind or whatever,.advocate for yourself. It's your body!!! Hang in there!!

    Going for my #3 of 6 today - wish me luck as we got snow here and I have an hour drive. My kids even have a school delay - FUN TIMES!

  • redrock75
    redrock75 Member Posts: 34
    edited January 2016

    Twirp, sorry to hear about more chemo!! 😥

    Today, two days after AC #3, my formerly HUGE lump that was at one time easily SEEN as well as paplated...I can barely find it. It's there...but it's so tiny. I'm so happy. I know after one more AC and the 12 taxol it will be gone. But then I'm left with that choice. Lump+rads, or BMX? I was so set on BMX and implants from the beginning. But I've had the genetic testing and I'm negative. Still...I have no idea what to do. My surgeon said she thought if I did BMX I wouldn't need rads and I'd be ok for a great outcome with implants, but of course all that could change at time of surgery. Sigh...

  • KickinBootay
    KickinBootay Member Posts: 38
    edited January 2016

    I had neoadjuvant AC (4rounds) then a lumpectomy on 10/7/15. My pre op appt my surgeon even put in my chart complete response to chemo because it had shrunk to almost nothing....My surgeon was confident we got phenomenal margins.....wah wah wah pathology report came back and cancer cells all around and one lymph node of the three removed had microscopic cancer cells in it.....went in for my second surgery to get better margins on 10/28/15 and all margins were clear! Surgeon told me all I needed was radiation and I was done! I was ecstatic told everyone children included (2 girls 12 & 17) went to see my oncologist and wal la he tells me oh no you need more chemo I went to get 2 other oncologist opinions one said no more chemo and the other said to me "Tricia you did 4 rounds of AC a hardcore chemo and still after that you had a microscopic amount of cancer in your lymph node, that tells me there is a chance that cancer cells could be floating around in your body" The light bulb went off in my head and I scheduled the taxol. I think its very important to get a second opinion. You are your own advocate. Most insurance companies will gladly pay for a second opinion.

    KrisCrzala .....I found my lump @ 36 my primary physician told me don't worry about it you're young you have no family history....in my mind I knew what it was but denial set in and come on a doctor told me don't worry about it!

    Chin up ladies! Positive thinking goes a long way!!!! I agree though this is a great platform to rant! We all know what it feels like!

  • Twirp26
    Twirp26 Member Posts: 178
    edited January 2016

    sammy3 we are true soul sisters!! 😉 I hate that you are facing the same thing but it really helps to know I am not alone. I guess I need to look at the positive and know I have some more time to decide what to do. I am so scared I will make the wrong decision. I am pretty certain that no matter what I decide, I will always have that fear of reoccurrence. How do people continue on after treatment without having fear??? I'm not sure it's possible. I wish I had a crystal ball to tell me what to do. Sammy, I hope #3 goes smooth today and you don't get stuck in the snow😉

    Chinacat, thanks for your input. Up until now I have been adamant, BMX. But I might be making that choice out of fear. Idk...

    Redrock, I will wish you peace deciding what to do as well. If I could do implants and reconstruct right away, I would probably go that route but this flap surgery and delayed reconstruction has me in question mode.

    Kickinboota, glad you are getting what you need to kill this beast! How frustrating to think you are done then find out you aren't. I am going to stress second opinions to all newbies for sure. I know it was stressed to me but I just trusted my primary care dr. I will be my own advocate from now on for sure!!! Hang in there everyone!!! Thanks for being here for me!!

  • Lyra10
    Lyra10 Member Posts: 59
    edited January 2016

    Morning girls sorry so long but my manager is now on bed rest so myself and my coordinator have been buried! I have to take my laptop tomorrow for my 3rd treatment of T&C! I went tot the LGFB class last night and left with a great kit but they didn't have any new wigs to try maybe when I get reimbursed for the one I have now I can try another one. I hear #3 doesn't treat you as well but I have to be at work on Friday & again Monday so if it's going to take me down I have Sat & Sun! Look at me telling chemo when it can affect me!

    Cheers girls

  • mvspaulding
    mvspaulding Member Posts: 446
    edited January 2016

    Ah Man, I am so sorry you got that news Twirp. Listening to what you all are going through, I feel lucky that i just have my four rounds of chemo and I am done.

    Hope your treatment goes smoothly Sammy.

    Lyra I think your work is expecting way too much out of you, I know you said you have no choice, but surely they have to give you a break with this, it is not good to be stressing out over work, you should be focused on getting better. Ok, I will get off soap box now, haha,

    TC #3 tomorrow. :( Really don't want to do this and I am praying I don't feel they way I felt last treatment after the Neulasta shot.

  • PezGal
    PezGal Member Posts: 99
    edited January 2016

    Ahh, Twirp that sucks. Do something naughty tonight. And by naughty I mean tamed down chemo person naughty - pj's at 5pm, big bowls of ice cream, bad chick flicks, medical marijuana... something like that.

    KrisCrzala - I'm not sure what makes B6 a thing. I googled and found this: http://www.dana-farber.org/Health-Library/Alleviating-Peripheral-Neuropathy-Symptoms.aspx. I think it's kind of like the Clariton for neulasta, might work, might not work, its a toss up. I have some weird finger/foot pain the last few days (might be due from the super antibiotic I'm taking), but if this is or neuropathy, or anything like neuropathy, I'm going with the supplements. My MO said it wouldn't hurt to take them, as long as not overdoing it. Meh, why the hell not...

    As for you ladies with upcoming surgeries, I feel you just need to go with your gut. Tough decision. I don't envy your positions though. I didn't have a choice. Well, I did... but I didn't. Maybe that's the key - come to a decision you can't live without? I was set to have a lumpectomy with rads and I was very cool with that (back in more innocent days when I thought I only had DCIS). Three days before surgery my surgeon called and told me my genetic test came back positive. Before she could even finish the sentence I was like "both these puppies gotta go...". So, yeah, its sad to see your body all wrecked and torn apart, but... whatever. My life is more important than my breasts. I'm doing everything I can to fight this thing. I'm alive today and hopefully will be for a long time. That's what matters to me (and my husband, and son, and my parents, and friends). For my specific case, getting all this highly susceptible breast tissue out was a no brainer. Well, most of the tissue out, they can never get it all.

    Even before this cancer thing I knew my career as a Sports Illustrated bikini model was never gonna happen. Between you, me, and the World Wide Web, I didn't have the most attractive breasts ever. Keeping a positive attitude and looking for silver linings, I'm looking forward to the new perky tata's. I haven't worn a bra since October 20 2015 and it feels AWESOME! (I'm probably a B cup now - working to a C/D). I honestly don't remember horrible pain involved with the surgery or aftermath (drains). It was uncomfortable and weird but I wasn't stricken down. Frankly, I think chemo is worse... and here we are surviving that! Its uncomfortable, but its like braces or pregnancy - eventually it'll be over. I was told I'm in the "grey area" for rads but i'm doing them anyway (no stone left unturned) so my whole surgery to reconstruction process (DIEP flap) will end up being at least 13 months. These tennis balls under my skin for 10 more months... ugh, I can do it. New boobies for Christmas! :)

    I too have fear of reoccurance that I know will spike the moment the MO says "see you in three months". I feel focused on treatment now so I'm distracted. It's when I'm left alone that my mind starts wandering. I'm not sure what I'll do. Therapy? Hobbies? Denial? Wine? Life will never be the same, its just finding a way to live with the new normal.

  • Opt4Life
    Opt4Life Member Posts: 191
    edited January 2016

    Hi ladies, hope all are doing as well as they can. Sorry to hear about some issues and setbacks but we've all picked ourselves up from one of the most devastating health scares possible and will do it again if need be.

    Pezgal, great statement....life more important than breasts....and at the end of this I'd like both but in that order.

    I'm halfway through chemo. 4 more Taxol and 4 AC to go with so far a good response to Taxol with minimal SEs and a reduced lump. MRI to look at breast and lymph nodes scheduled for end of February. Wish I could just stay on Taxol but oncologist and 1st and 2nd opinion BSs say no for best results they've seen.

    Stay strong ladies....trouble don't last always

    Blessing


  • chinacat
    chinacat Member Posts: 78
    edited January 2016

    twirp - for what it's worth, I think that making these decisions based on fear or any emotion is dangerous. It's hard to keep our emotions separate, but these decisions should be based on statistics and science. Get multiple opinions, ask about statistics. There are no guarantees with any of it but if you have even a 1% less chance of recurrence with one course of treatment vs another then take the 1% and run. If the chance of recurrence is the same with lumpectomy + rads as with bmx, what is the benefit of bmx? Whatever your decision, be sure you can live it. I had a low oncotype score so chemo was really a choice for me. I knew if it came back and I hadn't done chemo I would have only tortured myself with the the what ifs. I knew I couldn't live with that so chemo it is. Once you know what to do you'll be at peace.

    I like pezgals advice, be naughty tonight;) you deserve it.

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