Marijuana Kills Cancer Cells... Updated NCI fact page

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  • colls12
    colls12 Member Posts: 8
    edited January 2016

    i have been taking the charolettes web hemp oil hoping it helps

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited January 2016

    Very cool to see all that on the NCI website. Hah! I guess my sons are right, I should be vaping marijuana more often. (On the other hand, I told THEM about a study that said marijuana use increases testicular cancer risk in young males....)

  • JohnSmith
    JohnSmith Member Posts: 651
    edited January 2016

    Yes. I believe these changes to the cancer.gov page were made a couple years ago, but continuous modifications to the webpage (every few months) give the illusion that this is a new revelation and the government is "finally" admitting it.

    Here is a cached version of the page from Nov 2014, here. It contains roughly the same data as the existing page today, and essentially says cannabinoids have been shown to kill cancer cells in petri dish and animal studies.
    Not very convincing for clinical science considering thousands of compounds (both natural and synthetic) do the same thing in the Lab. The trouble is ~90% of these lab tested agents fail in humans. If you understand this notion, you'll understand the value of the "cannabis cure" claim, but that is a separate topic.

    The minds.com link in the original post seems to be referencing a Aug 2015 blog post from Infowars.com saying "the government finally admits cannabis" (Infowars.com is a wonderful source of conspiracy theories, like 9/11 was government orchestrated).

    Hope this makes sense.

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited January 2016

    Yes... that makes total sense!.Thanks for your factual, analytical input.

    I don't personally believe in a "cannaibis cure," but it seems like there are enough anecdotal accounts of significant response to make me think it probably does work for some people -- at least for awhile -- the same as any tx, until the cells learn how to mutate to get around whatever mechanism is being thwarted.

  • Wendy3
    Wendy3 Member Posts: 1,012
    edited January 2016
  • Wendy3
    Wendy3 Member Posts: 1,012
    edited January 2016

    If it keeps my cancer in check for the next thirty years I'm golden.

  • ChelleG
    ChelleG Member Posts: 540
    edited January 2016

    All I know about medical marijuana, is that it is working for me. I feel great and sleep better than I have in years. My tumor markers went from 61 to 34 in three months. I am also taking tamoxifen. My CBD THC is a complimentary tx. But I feel no shame admitting that I use it. I think anyone who can obtain it legally, should do so. The side effects are increased appetite, drowsiness, decreased anxiety and the occasional giggle outbreak!

  • Wendy3
    Wendy3 Member Posts: 1,012
    edited January 2016

    If the way to beating cancer lays within our own immune system then the se Chelle mentioned above can only be a good thing. I'm sure not an expert on pot but I would never belittle anything anyone does to increase there chances for survival even if it is all placebo . I refuse to give cancer that much power and who out there can with a hundred percent assurity say that cancer will find a way around this......no one. 

    I have started gaining weight back and feel great my energy is back where it was and I sleep amazingly. So for right now I'm good and I would say anybody who can get access to this stuff should do so. Have a great night ladies.

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited January 2016

    Wendy, I know both you and Chelle have had great success with medical marijuana, as have other people I've heard about, and I really appreciate your input based on your first hand experience. I think what some people balk at is the very simplistic claims by some natural health advocates that it's a magic bullet cure for all cancers, as well as the suggestion that there is some sort of conspiracy to hide its curative potential from the general public. I think that's the kind of stuff that turns many people off.

    I may have told you, I recently asked my onc about medical marijuana because of an article in CURE Magazine, and I was surprised when she didn't have anything negative to say -- just simply that there hasn't been enough research to support RXing it, although she has patients who use it as a complementary tx.

    Here's that article from CURE: http://www.curetoday.com/publications/cure/2015/su...


  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited January 2016

    Med-mar is legal in IL but there are an amazing number of hoops through which to jump (doctor certification that not only do you have one of the listed diseases but that your symptoms specifically can be relieved by it, plus character references and a clean arrest record--whether substance-related or not). It then takes months to receive a card. In a state with over 4 million people, only 4000 cards have been issued. Several dispensaries are in danger of closing because of a scarcity of customers. And most others carry only the smokable form.

    I wonder if its benefits in helping prevent recurrence and easing AI-caused joint and bone pain might be cancelled out by its tendency to increase appetite--which could aggregate with AIs' tendency to do the same while simultaneously lowering metabolism, causing weight gain. Why does there always have to be a tradeoff

  • Wendy3
    Wendy3 Member Posts: 1,012
    edited January 2016

    Thanks Deana interesting article, most of this information is not new to me. I have read a fair bit on this subject. It baffles the mind why the FDA can approve so readily the synthetic pharmaceuticals produced CBD s and THC s but the natural plant not . I guess there is no money in that.  I believe that the truth will see the light of day either way. Spain is doing a lot of work in this area. I need to figure out how to attach articles here on the thread ( not so techie).

    ChiSandy I can sympathise with you. My husband is working in Oregon where I to lived till my diagnosis. We have many friends there that I would like to visit. However to get approval would be a very lengthy expensive ordeal  and as my doctors and diagnosis is Canadian I can pretty much forget it. Even though it technically is legalized they don't make this treatment option easy. 

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited January 2016

    Hi Wendy3, you can now buy marijuana in Oregon for recreational use (like in WA state). So you wouldn't have to prove anything anymore. But I guess you would have to use it all up while you were visiting.

  • Wendy3
    Wendy3 Member Posts: 1,012
    edited January 2016

    Fallleaves I know I can get pot to smoke if I want that what I want is the Phoenix tears or CBD capsules and for those I need to jump some hoops.😞 that's the medical card requirement. 

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited January 2016

    Oh, I got you. I hope you can find a way around that! In the meantime maybe you could look for an edible using a strain of marijuana with a high CBD/ low THC content. I remember "Charlotte's Web" from the documentary Dr. Sanjay Gupta did on using medical marijuana for children with epilepsy. Not sure how hard it is to find that, but maybe you could find something similar.

  • ghostdarlin
    ghostdarlin Member Posts: 2
    edited January 2016

    I am in remission from Stage II breast cancer. I had a BMX in June of 2015 with immediate reconstruction started, but my skin was too thin and I contracted a bacterial infection as well as a yeast infection of the skin. Needless to say it required a second surgery a month to the day (July 2, 2015) to have removal of necrotic skin and removal of my tissue expanders that were also affected by the infection. I was on Cipro for 2 weeks and yeast pills for 2 weeks. I kept complaining my plastic surgeon about being in pain 5 weeks after surgery and was still on Percocet. Instead of trying to find out why I was in pain, he said I was addicted and told me to see a pain management specialist. i decllined and went to my PC and got on Norco. I was 2 weeks before my complete hysterectomy, so didn't want to get involved with a pain management specialist yet. Well, 2 days before my surgery, I had pre-op testing which included a chest x-ray. I got a call the next morning saying I needed to see a cardiologist to clear me for surgery because I had fluid in my chest. Long story short, my heart was fine and the fluid in my chest was caused from my surgeries.

    I haven't gone back to that surgeon and to this day suffer from chest pain and shoulder/arm pain on the left side. I cannot take NSAIDs because I am allergic to them and aspirin, and now cannot even get steroid injections for inflammation because I was recently diagnosed with osteopenia. I'm on Femara and I also get bone and muscle pain now after being on it for 3 months. My oncologist says to take it at night so I don't notice the effects of the medication. The problem with that is, I hurt all the time. I also have permanent nerve damage in my arm and in my left leg because when they went in to take my uterus out, my bladder was adhered to the TOP of my uterus and myleft ovary was adhered to my Fallopian tube,

    My doctor said he's ok with me trying CBD but won't go through the process of getting a card. I need some relief because I am at my wits end, so anyone who can tell me if the CBD really works for pain and inflammation, I'm going to find a doctor to give me a card as I have no other options. You'd think the doctor would have the patient's best interest in mind if there's no other options. I can go to pain management and probably get Percocet, but it won't do me any good if I cannot get rid of the inflammation.

    I don't know what my next move should be. I'm on Neurontin for nerve damage and take flexeril when my chest gets tight and Norco for when it gets really bad. If anyone is on Neurontin and CBD any help and info would be appreciated.

    Jody

  • Wendy3
    Wendy3 Member Posts: 1,012
    edited January 2016

    Jody holy crap girl you have a lot on your plate. I don't think CBD will help with pain but will help with other areas. Check out the bone mets thread I posted a picture of what I'm using however I'm in Canada. A friend of mine also posted on the same thread a picture of what she is using in the US Colorado that may be more helpful. Good luck😊

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited January 2016

    WhoHottieHOO Thanks or the info. From the first day I saw a white rabbit till now, new it was good :) Thanks Dlb...............

    1969 or 1970---Literally, saw a white rabbit. Thought I was on a trip or something...........white rabbit hopped from kitchen to bedroom, then back to the other bedroom. Finally asked if anyone saw it. The folks had a pet rabbit. Now funny 46 years latter.

  • ghostdarlin
    ghostdarlin Member Posts: 2
    edited January 2016

    CBD can help with inflammation which I firmly believe in the long run will help with pain. Inflamed tissue surrounding the nerves make it hard for them to function properly. I felt much better when I was getting steroid shots but can no longer get them. Doctors are so quick to throw at you the antidepressants, but mention CBD and you had mentioned something horrible such as heroin or the like. It's crazy.

  • Leslie13
    Leslie13 Member Posts: 202
    edited January 2016

    Now I loved my Mary Jane as much as anyone in my youth. I read somewhere that you have to be cautious with THC and estrogen positive breast cancer. It does grow man boobs after all. And I'd love to be using it again, but am still concerned about how estrogenic it is. I cut out soy for the same reason.

    When I see more clinical trials showing its effectiveness on ER+ breast cancer, I'll be the first one in line

  • Fallleaves
    Fallleaves Member Posts: 806
    edited January 2016

    Sas, the white rabbit story cracked me up!


  • Wendy3
    Wendy3 Member Posts: 1,012
    edited January 2016

    Leslie I am estrogen positive and progesterone positive my tumour is shrinking. After I read you post I searched for any article on line saying it wouldn't be advisable. Found nothing in fact I found the opposite. The treatment won't make you hi depending what you use.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited January 2016

    Jody, so sorry for your shitty care. I know you likely don't have the energy b/c you feel so miserable. But get a malpractice lawyer. You still have a year from the time of telling him of your pain and he refused to do anything to dx the problem. Since you were recovering from an infection he needed to investigate before declaring you addicted. You have a case, I'm sure of it. 1. PS had a duty to act . 2. an injury occurred 3. his failure to act was the proximate cause of the injury 4, failure to act has lead to a permanent injury 5. did he act as any reasonable doctor in the same or similar circumstances would/should have acted. Talk about the infections with the lawyer too. Infections are not inevitable.

    I know you just want this over and forgotten. You beat the cancer, but you may have a lifetime disability from the injury that may have been treatable, had he not delayed treatment. That sucks. Also, costs lot's of money. He should cover the costs and then pay for his negligence that has caused you such suffering.

    I linked to the Georgia description of Statute of Limitations.

    http://www.forthepeople.com/atlanta/medical-malpractice-lawyers/statute-of-limitations/

    The next link is to an attorney finding organization if you don't know where to start. These types of organizations are free because the attroney's pay a fee to the organization for the referral. Interview a couple of lawyers. Case should be on a contingency basis.

    http://www.attorneys.com/about-us/

    Good Luck.

  • Bliss58
    Bliss58 Member Posts: 1,154
    edited January 2016

    Personally, I think there's something to marijuana's ability to kill cancer and I'm all for trying it. I think the legalities of marijuana in the US keep the FDA from being able to approve the actual plant, so they've gone the synthetic route. Colorado has allotted $9 million for marijuana research. Hopefully, as more and more states at least legalize medical marijuana, we'll get closer that much faster to national legalization that will explode research. The one thing Obama should at least do before he leaves office, is direct the DEA to reschedule marijuana from a narcotic with no medicinal benefits to one that is medicinal and that would help NCI even more.

  • Leslie13
    Leslie13 Member Posts: 202
    edited January 2016

    What I've read is that the CBD's need to be in larger amounts than THC. I had taken bio-identical hormones for about 10 years when dx'd and my ki-67 was 44%!!! So I'm pretty scared of anything estrogenic. I'm willing to try low THC product and see what it does. The narcotics I take for pain aren't healthy either

  • Wendy3
    Wendy3 Member Posts: 1,012
    edited January 2016

    Leslie as far as I'm aware CBDs do not contain estrogen. I am er and pr positive and I'm doing well with the CBD in fact I read you need a ratio of 4:1 CBD to THC . Now that I have been following this for the pas few months I feel great.

  • Bliss58
    Bliss58 Member Posts: 1,154
    edited January 2016

    From what I've read it's not estrogenic: Here's a paragraph about cannabinoids for breast cancer from NCI's website...

    "An in vitro study of the effect of CBD on programmed cell death in breast cancer cell lines found that CBD induced programmed cell death, independent of the CB1, CB2, or vanilloid receptors. CBD inhibited the survival of both estrogen receptor–positive and estrogen receptor–negative breast cancer cell lines, inducing apoptosis in a concentration-dependent manner while having little effect on nontumorigenic mammary cells.Other studies have also shown the antitumor effect of cannabinoids (i.e., CBD and THC) in preclinical models of breast cancer."

    - See more at: http://www.life-saving-naturalcures-and-naturalrem...

  • Wendy3
    Wendy3 Member Posts: 1,012
    edited January 2016

    I just finished listening to a two day on line seminar on MJ and the industry hosted by Green leaf in California . If you are searching for some reliable cannibus  dispensaires then look at weed maps.com. I want to believe it is what's making me feel so great 7 months into a stage four diagnosis. We will know more after my upcoming scan. The proof will be in the picture.

  • corky60
    corky60 Member Posts: 726
    edited January 2016

    Jody and Sassy, we called our county bar association and they had a lawyer referral service. This was ten years ago on another topic but the fee was and still is $35.00 to talk to a lawyer.

  • Bliss58
    Bliss58 Member Posts: 1,154
    edited January 2016

    Wendy, are you taking anything other than the mj or supplements? i know Chelle is taking Tamoxifen, too, so I'm just curious because you seem to be doing as well as she is.

  • Wendy3
    Wendy3 Member Posts: 1,012
    edited January 2016

    Bjsmiller yes I'm also on tamoxifen I'm using the MJ as an adjunctive therapy. However I have heard from various sources that tamoxifen takes at least three cycles to start working Chelles tumours shrank a lot sooner than that. So for her and I that was an indication that it was the CBD and THC which had helped her. Same goes for me I have been taking this little white pill for seven months I have been told after six months the effectiveness if at all there drops down to fifty percent. I think it is really important to tailor the MJ meds to your specific cancer once I figured that out for myself my health seemed to start improving. My oncologist at my last visit said I was an anomaly and she didn't understand what my cancer was doing. Namely nothing if you read about how the cannabinoides work they prohibit cancer cell growth as you probably already know and that's a good thing. I have a pet scan schedueled for February 12 then we will know more. What Chelle and I are trying to do is our own little clinical trial. Hope this helps loved your comment earlier so much promise and that's what we all need hope😊

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