I think my marriage is over

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So, here I am at 5am. Was up all night because of the continuing argument my husband and I have been having for a month now. Some background, I have recurrent BC as of 2014. Was NED for 4 years, but it came back. When it came back I was devastated (as we all are when something like this happens). My husband was awesome the first time around. This time he tried to be as awesome, but it was harder. He was transferred at work to a department that was very demanding and he couldn't be in 2 places at once. I didn't hold this against him, I understood. Anyway, he developed a close relationship/friendship with a co-worker. They would hang out and have fun, never thought anything of it. He referred to her as his girlfriend or future wife. I laughed it off as, sure when I get tired of you and leave you, you have your back up ready to go...hahah funny. Well, I started noticing the texts between them were becoming more frequent and were nothing serious, just simple I miss you texts. OK, naive me doesn't think anything of it. We are on vacation as a family over the summer and they text each other to say hello, I miss you. Again, I think nothing of it. BTW, at this point I am on so much zanex I am not thinking clearly. I am too busy trying to wrap my head around the fact that I am in treatment for life. And the once active, fit person I was will no longer be the same. Most activities I enjoyed doing to make myself happy have been stripped from me along with my hair. I gained about 30 pounds, had bad acne from the meds I was on and developed major food allergies. So needless to say, my focus wasn't on him. Anyway, Just before Christmas we were at a children's holiday party. Having a great time. He texts her from there. And it hit a nerve. That night, he said her name in his sleep. The next morning I had pre-op testing and he didn't bother to call me all day to see how it went, ok he was busy at work, got it. So he comes home and I couldn't control myself. I went off on him. Asking him what was going on with him and this woman. He said they were only friends and didn't understand where this was coming from. So we argued back and forth, I explained what I was seeing, he said he sees it too now and can understand where I am coming from, but that I am wrong. I asked him to see his phone so he can explain how innocent the texts were. He refused. In fact the next day he deleted all messages, so now he cannot show me. I can't let go of any of this. I know I should and I know he never did anything physical with her. Last night, he went off on me. I asked him to tell me how I have hurt him and he feels like the damaged party. He proceed to tell me how I have made him self destruct with my mistrust. I broke him because I can't let this go, I am at fault because I challenged his core beliefs. I haven't been able to sleep. I feel horrible that I hurt him even though I was the injured party initially .

I apologized to him this morning before he left for work, I apologized for doubting him. I don't know what else to do. I still feel like he was wrong. I feel like he should be more sympathetic to my feelings, yet here I am feeling like I really broke him with the accusations. I am at a complete loss.

Sorry for this long, long rant. Just don't know what to do. i said so many hurtful things to him and I cannot take them back. Some were meant to hurt him others were just how I felt at the moment. Any ideas how to get back on track?

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  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited January 2016

    SoAlone, I am so sorry. This disease really sucks I think it is absolutely normal that you feel the way you do. I think things will get better. I know how you feel about cancer treatment I feel so tired, old, and ugly at times. My husband was not inviting me to his social work gatherings recently. I just flat out said are you embarrassed of me? Luckily he realised how I felt and now I go with him. Your husband probably has been leaning on this woman for support I think you will see a change. Stage 4 is really tough, I hope everything works out with your husband.

    Good luck.

  • SummerAngel
    SummerAngel Member Posts: 1,006
    edited January 2016

    I can't say this any more clearly: He is wrong, you are right.

    There is absolutely no excuse for a married man to be texting that much with a woman he works with, nor is it normal for them to be saying things like "I miss you" to each other. The fact that he deleted his text conversations rather than show you to ease your mind is a HUGE red flag. His attempts to deflect the blame onto you are also textbook for a person who is feeling guilty. He knows it will work, because he knows you. You are obviously a trusting person. I have been friends with a married man I worked with for many years and because we are only friends and I would never want his wife to feel like there was something more to it I have been very careful to keep some distance between us and to make sure any social interaction INCLUDES his wife.

    All I can say is that I've been there. I didn't have cancer at the time, but I had two small children at home. He is now married to that "friend". I'm sorry for your pain. Please feel free to contact me if you need someone to talk to.

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited January 2016

    SoAlone, I have to agree 100% with Summerangel's post. Many men, when confronted with accusations that they are cheating will deny, deny, deny. And try to blame the woman. They hate getting caught and thought they could get away with it forever. Have their cake and eat it too. Try to convince themselves they are not doing anything wrong when actually they are very wrong.

    You will have to see how this unfolds. Don't be so quick to blame yourself. Do you really think you should have to put his needs before your health? I would not let him make you think you are crazy for asking him what he's up to. Deleting all those texts seems about as guilty an action as it comes. Stick up for yourself.
  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited January 2016

    After reconsidering, you should not let him make you feel like you broke the trust. He is the one with trust issues


  • Lily55
    Lily55 Member Posts: 3,534
    edited January 2016

    I totally agree with SummerAngel......can you call a truce and agree to go and see a counsellor together?  I think its a huge strain to live with all the time and at least the sesión will set a boundary around talking about it and maybe help with resolving it

  • SoAlone
    SoAlone Member Posts: 42
    edited January 2016

    we are driving for a weekend get away with the kids. We promised this trip to them weeks ago. I can't even look at him. I don't know how I am going to get through the weekend.

    Thanks ladies

  • etnasgrl
    etnasgrl Member Posts: 650
    edited January 2016

    I also agree with SummerAngel 100%......YOU ARE NOT AT FAULT.

  • wintersocks
    wintersocks Member Posts: 922
    edited January 2016

    I also experienced this, and with two small children too and I was unwell. Again, he is now in a relationship with this friend, all pre cancer. I urge you to set some boundaries around this man. This will additionally serve to protect you. I too agree entirely with Summerangel and the others. It is absolutely a despicable way to behave, let alone to someone going through cancer for a second time. It maybe that you might be able to work through this with some counselling, but in all honesty I wouldn't hold my breath. So much damage has been done and by default to the children as well, who always know something is wrong even if we don't think they do.

    You will get through this, with support, whatever the outcome.

  • SoAlone
    SoAlone Member Posts: 42
    edited January 2016

    so this evening we argued again because I had to say some things. Now he refuses counseling and wants a divorce. I am devastated. I never thought it would be him saying it. I don't know what to do, the kids heard this and he doesn't care. He is done w me not letting this go and harping on something that was nothing to him.

  • ayr1016
    ayr1016 Member Posts: 228
    edited January 2016

    I agree with all the ladies who have responded thus far. He was in the wrong. Deleting those texts were wrong. Not supporting his wife during this time is wrong. What a selfish man he is. I know you are devastated and I hope you have support from family and friends.

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited January 2016

    Well if he says "I want a divorce", I'd say OK but your going to have take of me and the kids.

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited January 2016

    Look, I'm no counselor, none of us know the complete details of what you're going through, but I know we all feel badly for you and protective of you.

    I've been married over 26 years. There's no way in hell I'd ever allow my husband to have a friendship with a female coworker, text her often and go out with her and pal around and text her while we are on vacation to say I miss you. No way.

    For a man to react so strongly to your mere confronting him with the fact that you question his actions tells me he's been distancing himself from you for awhile and is now using the confrontation as a reason to make the big break from you. He either wants you to back off and allow him to continue to have a relationship with both you and the other woman, or he thinks the grass is greener elsewhere and is ready to split.

    As Kay says, get a lawyer asap. You never expected your mere questioning him about this relationship with the other women would make him immediately jump to saying he wants a divorce, but it happened. Yet you had every right to want to know what he was up to. He claims it was nothing. If that's true, why is his reaction so strong? Why didn't he say, wow, I never realized this could hurt your feelings, or I'm so sorry my actions caused you hurt. Instead, he claims it's all about his injured pride. Really, it sounds like he's mad because his infidelity of the heart was uncovered.

    Years ago in my marriage, I realized I went along with many things because I was afraid of confrontation. I'm not a big Dr.Phil fan, but at the time, I heard him ask on his TV show "are you going along to get along?" I realized I'd been doing that for too long. Putting up with crap. I stopped going along with everything. My marriage was in an upheaval for a couple years after thebecause I decided to stand my ground. But I was worth it.

    Another thing Dr.Phil says is "peace at any price is no peace."

  • Racy
    Racy Member Posts: 2,651
    edited January 2016

    I am sorry but I think your husband already wanted a divorce and has used your confrontation as a reason to voice it. His texting with a coworker is not normal behaviour for a loving husband.

    Again, I am very sorry.

  • SoAlone
    SoAlone Member Posts: 42
    edited January 2016

    I know I make him sound like a complete asshole. He isn't. He is normally a wonderful man. He held my hand when I threw up, he slept on the floor of the hospital when I was pregnant. He is supportive of everyone around him. We have been talking since early this morning. He is angry that I keep bringing this up. Just when he thinks we are taking one step forward, I take 2 steps back...and he is right. It's me at this point. I am so scared of everything that I have pulled away and don't know how to come back and start feeling again. The only emotion I am comfortable expressing is anger. I have been using him as a punching bag for weeks now, attacking him when ever I can. He would never do that to me. He even gave me her phone number and asked me to call her when we get home so that I can see I threw away our marriage over nothing.

    I hope that we can work past this, I really want to. I don't know if he can put up with my roller coaster emotions anymore and who can blame him? I wouldn't. If the roles were reversed, I would apologize and make actions to remedy the situation but want to move forward, not backward.

    Thanks ladies.


  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited January 2016

    SoAlone, people react in myriad weird ways to major stress. In my family I am normally the conciliatory peaveful one. When I landed in the hospital very ill with ovarian cancer my mother just about drove me insane and I was so hateful to her. She needed to DO something and I felt like my autonomy was being taken away. i felt like she was going to snatch the TP out of my hand and wipe my butt for me, when I just needed to feel normal. I got VERY snappy. My sister finally told me that I needed to lighten up because I was upsetting the whole family and daddy was getting upset at how mean I was being to mama. I intellectually agreed and knew she was right but in some way I just felt like a feral animal.

  • AmyQ
    AmyQ Member Posts: 2,182
    edited January 2016

    SoAlone,

    There is too much at stake here to go home and pretend his relationship with this co-worker is nothing. He's emotionally cheating on you every time they text. Because you have children, you both owe it to them to work through this, if possible. I would try to get into counseling, before calling it quits. If texting is his only violation, which I question, then I think you two can work past this. Couples have survived worse betrayals, but this needs to stop before he has broken his vows. I hope you two can work through this.

    Amy

  • MissBee123
    MissBee123 Member Posts: 186
    edited January 2016

    "...so that I can see I threw away our marriage over nothing."

    Whether these are your words or his, this is heartbreaking to hear. Either he's manipulating you with this sentiment or you are reworking this situation (in which HE stated he wanted a divorce, not you) to blame yourself.

    1. You need counseling. Even if he won't go, you should. You deserve to be happy and counseling is a way to move towards that. Counseling is empowering; it is not a sign of weakness.

    2. I know it's a bit feminist of me but, WHY would you want to stay with someone who doesn't want you? If he doesn't want to be with you, good riddance! Don't look for who is at fault, just remember that neither of you is happy. If he doesn't want to work at it, then don't let the door hit him on the way out.


  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited January 2016

    SoAlone,

    It would not be responsible or fair for me to give marital advice based solely on your posts, and the fact I am not qualified to give counseling to anyone (unless you're a first grader with reading or math problems). However, if the situation has devolved to the point where you are saying the demise of the marriage is your fault and he is mad that you keep bringing up the situation with the other woman, then something is very wrong. You are being manupulated, plain and simple. You deserve far more than someone who would treat you like that, despite his other "good" qualities . Don't settle for crumbs, whether you have bc or not.

  • muska
    muska Member Posts: 1,195
    edited January 2016

    SoAlone,

    I am very sorry you are in this situation while dealing with stage IV cancer. Although I do agree with most of what was said by others I think you should not take any drastic steps and let the dust settle before making any decisions. Certainly try to make peace with your husband if you can but if it doesn't work out there are other options but divorce. Separation is one of them.

    You have children who are probably young. He is probably the main breadwinner which is important. Some couples manage to split on amicable terms if both have children's interests at heart and some respect left for each other.

    One more thing - others may disagree on this - no matter what happens stop checking his phone. Even the most wonderful marriage should allow for some personal space.

    Please remember that your health is now the most important thing, everything else just fades in the big picture of things.

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited January 2016

    I agree with all these replies. Hydranne, your story about the broken glass is powerful.

    It sounds to me, SoAlone, that your Husband is the one throwing away the marriage. He's the one who wants a divorce. All you did was want answers to something that was bothering you. He is the one overreacting by asking for a divorce because you, his wife, who should come first before ALL other women, are asking him to explain his relationship with the Other woman. He is putting that relationship before the one he has with you. He is throwing the marriage away.

    I agree it is high manipulation on his part. He wants you to feel ashamed of yourself. You did nothing wrong, but he wants you to shoulder the blame.

    His past actions of good deeds are all well and good, but you live in the present. Ask yourself if he's currently making you the number one woman in his life, treating you with respect and being considerate of how you feel Now, Today, not last year or when you got married.

  • wrenn
    wrenn Member Posts: 2,707
    edited January 2016

    I think you have to consider the trauma involved in dealing with a spouse with stage iv cancer. He may be losing his mind so to speak. The situation is complex and has many levels so I wouldn't read too much into a recent situation when so much is at stake. Hopefully he can acknowledge that your illness has taken a toll on him and you can get counselling to deal with it all and come out feeling better about the marriage. The texting is a symptom in my opinion and might not be anything more than if his texting friend were male. I have had very close male friendships over the years.

    Or he really is an asshole and you need to protect yourself.

    No one here knows the whole story. Please take care of yourself.

  • keepthefaith
    keepthefaith Member Posts: 2,156
    edited January 2016

    soalone, I've been through a crappy marriage and wish I had gotten out sooner...but, better late than never. It's very hard when you are in the middle of a bad relationship, to see everything clearly. Eventually, it becomes your "normal". You end up justifying things that you know deep inside are not right. And the fact that you have children makes it harder. I think you should seek counseling for yourself and your children, if your husband won't go. My (ex) husband did agree to go to counseling to pacify me, but nothing changed. It did make me feel better about my decision to leave and validated my feelings. If he really cared, he would certainly not leave you at a time when you need him most. Take one day at a time, lean on your friends and family. ((HUGS))

  • labelle
    labelle Member Posts: 721
    edited January 2016

    A similar thing happened in our marriage about 7 years ago. My husband had an inappropriate relationship (how far it went, I don't really know) with another woman. I discovered this by chance, an email account left open with flirty messages) and it totally devastated me. I felt my husband wasn't who I thought he was (almost perfect) and our marriage was a sham, that he didn't really love me, despite the fact he'd been a wonderful partner for many years. I offered my husband amicable divorce, but he very emphatically did not want a divorce. He went to counseling to figure out why he would do something that would very possibly lead to the end of our marriage, something he didn't want to happen. I know he turned 50 that year and he'd lost his father, so I think he was dealing with some personal mortality kind of issue-not an excuse, but not really anything to do w me or our marriage. We all make bad choices sometimes and often I think when we are under emotional stress or in crisis.

    Anyway, I won't begin to tell you what to do, but I will tell you what NOT to do. I did not divorce him but I did not forgive him or trust him. I spent 5 years (wasted 5 years) looking over his shoulder, nursing my anger and rage, looking for signs that he was being unfaithful or that he didn't love me. I badgered him and I almost wrecked our relationship-he made a mistake, but so did I. My unexpressed anger and resentment were pretty toxic in so many ways.

    I was just starting to get over all of it, truly move on and our relationship was back on track when I was diagnosed w BC. I wish I could have back those wasted years with him, years we could have been happy rather than miserable. All is well now, but........... I guess I am telling you what to do after all, either divorce his ass or find a way (counseling maybe-pretty sure I should have had some) to forgive and move on, but don't waste your years making both of you miserable. We know time is just too precious to waste. Marriages can and do recover from infidelity, people do make mistakes and people do forgive, but time can never be reclaimed.

  • WinningSoFar
    WinningSoFar Member Posts: 951
    edited January 2016

    Please get a therapist because you need someone who is totally on your side. Then, little by little, you will sort out what's what. It sounds like you are in the middle of a whirlwind and trying to figure out which way the wind is blowing. IYou need time and someone who is trained to help you out.

  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 12,424
    edited January 2016

    Right on, Mrs. M.!


    To lighten things up, I have a good manipulation story, which is so ridiculous, that it's almost funny. As I was ending my 23 year marriage, I combed through computer files thinking I would send my soon to be ex any documents or files he might want. I noticed one letter addressed to the university he claimed to have graduated from. He was inquiring about how many more credits he would need to complete his bachelors degree. Whoa!!! He always said he had graduated. He even said his parents attended his graduation. Of course, he simply ignored my email when I asked about this. Later on, he told our dd's that he had to lie about it because if I found out that he was not a college graduate, I would have looked down on him. So you see, it was my fault that he lied! Of course, this doesn't explain why he lied to his own family, years before we ever met. Have you ever heard of anything more ridiculous?



  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited January 2016

    There's a saying, “just because you're on a diet, it doesn't mean you mustn't look at the menu." “Look" being the operative word. Seems like your husband wasn't merely “looking" but at least yearning to taste the menu--perhaps already having sampled it, and looking for any excuse to justify and give free rein to that. He may have been the perfect helpmate during your first bout with cancer, but some people are just not strong enough to go through that again (or even once, e.g. John McCain and John Edwards)--he may be thinking (at least subconsciously) “I was selfless beyond the call of duty already--that should be enough to give me asshole privileges." A platonic relationship with the co-worker may have been a harmless (perhaps even healthy) safety valve the first time around but taking it to the next level as a coping mechanism this time is unhealthy. You had every right not to trust him, since he gave you ample reason to suspect--and his own guilty conscience took him over the edge when called on it. All you did by expressing your distrust when you did was prevent delaying the inevitable. Now is the time to be proactive and protect your financial interests, as well as protect your kids from further emotional damage. Believe me, as awful for them as your cancer is and a divorce may be, a prolonged battle and living in a loveless marriage while they see him getting what he wants during the worst health crisis of your life would scar them irreparably (and perhaps warp their own morals). Cut your losses and move on. You may find someone else who will treat you with tenderness and compassion....but even remaining single and reaffirming your self-worth is better than letting him twist the blame around and control the narrative.

    I have a cousin whose third husband was dying of prostate cancer. She didn't cheat on him, and visited him every day in the hospital. One day after he went into remission, she demanded he buy her an expensive diamond bracelet she was eyeing. When he asked her what was the occasion, she replied, “Because I was devoted to you and took all that time being by your side." Not only didn't he buy her that bracelet, he filed for divorce and wrote her out of his will, he relapsed, and it became final a week before he died. Devotion comes with the territory of being married--it should be the norm and doesn't deserve a reward. It's okay for spouses to have close platonic friends, even of the opposite sex--but each spouse needs to be Friend Number One, period. That's what love really is.

    HE threw your marriage away. You didn't.

  • Meow13
    Meow13 Member Posts: 4,859
    edited January 2016

    SoAlone, I worry about the stress you are feeling. I really believe stress broke down my immune system and caused my bc. You need to worry about your health and being there for your kids.

  • Tresjoli2
    Tresjoli2 Member Posts: 868
    edited January 2016

    I don't know...if he had nothing to hide he would not have deleted the texts. If any woman texted my husband to tell him she missed him....we'd have trouble. It might be both of you here...

  • LisaAlissa
    LisaAlissa Member Posts: 1,092
    edited January 2016

    I'm so sorry to hear all of this. But a couple of notes for you. I agree with a lot of what's been said. Try counseling both as a couple and for yourself. If he won't go, still go to get support yourself.

    But also talk to a matrimonial/divorce lawyer ASAP. You need to make sure that he's not sequestering assets from you before he starts a divorce proceeding. A good matrimonial/divorce lawyer will help you protect yourself. For example, don't move out of your home, no matter what he does. In some places that could be considered abandoning the home to him. (But what it means where you live may be very different! The local/matrimonial lawyer you're going to hire will be able to advise you how to protect yourself and your children.)

    Best wishes!

    LisaAlissa

  • SoAlone
    SoAlone Member Posts: 42
    edited January 2016

    I am not worried about the finances or him hiding anything. I am an accountant and in charge of the finances. That is a non-issue. Plus he wouldn't withhold anything from his children.

    I am ok at this point, more worried about my kids. This morning one of the girls woke up early to sit on the couch so that when we woke up we wouldn't be fighting. We are away for the weekend and normally when we are up here we end up sleeping in separate rooms, each of us with one of the kids in the room. We have been doing this since they were 2 because they were afraid of sleeping in a room alone up here. So its normal for us to sleep separately here.

    We actually had a nice day yesterday, as nice as can be expected. We went to a child's birthday party and then skiing so there was no time to fight or talk. I tried talking last night, he asked that we stop talking while we are on vacation and focus on the kids, which I agree their happiness and health comes first right now.

    When we go home tomorrow we will start this conversation again. I feel completely manipulated. When he called me self-destructive it set off another switch in my head. I have brothers that have gone off the deep end and self destructing when they had found their spouses betrayals. Seems like a family thing, none of us know how to handle betrayal. So it did wake me up to see I am falling in my brothers foot steps. I needed that so that I can re-evalute what I want for myself and my kids. I need to get over this "betrayal" in a healthy manner. If we work things out, we do, if not we need to learn how to at least respect each other enough to not hold this hostility in. Let it all out and move forward. Either way, I need to take care of myself.

    Thanks! I appreciate all the input, and I need it.

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