Vitamins, supplements, foods to avoid/eat-What Do You Do?
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Exactly! Thank you Mysunshine;)
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Hi there. I'm very interested to see what others are taking. Here's my protocol thus far (and I'm very open to suggestions)
Tamoxifen
Vit D3
Omega 3's
5HTP
Melatonin (well I was and forgot about it, need to get back on it)
Probiotic
Super Green tablets x 2
DMSA for Chelation therapy 3 x per week (I have Mercury poisoning and am attempting to clear about that crap from my system)
Humic Vulvic acid (Matrix Minerals)
MCT Oil
I drink at least 3 liters of alkaline water per day. A vegetable based, organic, non GMO diet. No fish at all due to mercury toxicity. I juice every day at least 16 ounces of Supergreens with Turmeric.
What am I missing? I cannot keep weight on..
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Turmeric is useful all health issues. It is an anti-inflammatory and has anti-cancer properties, but it has also been shown to interfere with some chemotherapy drugs so talk to your oncologist before taking it if you are on chemotherapy.
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Hi nina123. Welcome! You might want to look into adding Pectasol-C (a patented form of modified citrus pectin) for the mercury. It also has other benefits for breast cancer.
I take tamoxifen
an RDA multi-vitamin (no megadoses)
Pectasol-C
200 mcg selenium
30 mg zinc picolinate (I had high copper levels, which might contribute to angiogenesis - zinc reduces copper)
magnesium 400mg (for leg cramps and constipation caused by tamoxifen)
a whole food calcium supplement as needed to supplement my diet
CoQ10 100 mg (there was a study that it works well with tamoxifen)
an organic whole food blueberry softgel equal to 1/2 cup of berries (because the sugar is removed and I'm on a ketogenic diet)
Vitamin D3 5000 IUs 2-3x/week. This was daily until I started going in the sun more.
Fish oil (soy and citrus oil free - not that easy to find. I take Nutrigold Triple Strength Omega-3 Gold, 2 per day)
non-dairy probiotics
melatonin
daily baby aspirin (Not enteric coated, which means I have to take a chewable. Bayer makes a cherry flavored. I don't take anything with orange flavoring which is usually made from orange peel and oils. Citrus peel and oils contain tangeritin, which might deactivate tamoxifen)
green tea 4-5 cups/day
And I eat a grain free flaxseed muffin every other day. I also eat a lot of broccoli, no dairy and only hormone-free meat. Juicing makes me gain weight and I am trying to lose.
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Hi all. I see some familiar names in this thread.
Here's what I take daily, it's small but it's something:
Calcium 630mg + Vit D 400 IU (twice daily)
Vitamin D 1000 IU
Beta Glucan 200mg
Tamoxifen 20mg
Cold pressed flaxseed oil (sometimes)
Probiotic
Multi-vitamin (like Solfeo, only up to 100% amounts)
I also include Turmeric in a lot of my cooking, and I avoid all dairy products, including beef. My main proteins are chicken and fish. I try to drink green tea whenever I can, and I avoid coffee since it increases estrogen levels.
I juice carrots, celery, green apple and cucumber (sometimes I add fennel) a few times a week as well.
If you all haven't heard of beta glucan, it's a supplement that is supposed to boost the immune system, but a study found that it prevents the growth of tamoxifen resistant cells. And no side effects! The two oncologists I saw had no problem with my supplements.
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^^ Where does it say coffee increases estrogen?
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It was one study that I came across a while ago. Some studies actually say that it can decrease recurrence risk with tamoxifen, so it's not very clear and I'm sure that there are other factors that are skewing the results. It's not exactly this article but it's the only one I could find for now:
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This is what I avoid (as much as possible): refined sugar & simple starch (e.g., potatoes, rice, tapioca, cornstarch, processed grains including oatmeal), artificial sweeteners, conventional dairy, nonfat dairy (organic or conventional), beer (except non-alcoholic), processed cheese and “cheese food," sweet & fortified wines, hard liquor, seed oils, trans fats, grain-fed meats and non-organic poultry, processed & packaged foods. (Anything made IN, not FROM a plant), sodas except unsweetened seltzer. Any herbs meant as supplements rather than salads & seasonings. (Tossed the echinacea, forskolin, vinpocetine, triphala, garcinia, gymnema, etc.). If it's in a capsule rather than a teabag/tea tin, shaker, or flowerpot, out it goes. No bananas, carrots, turnips, parsnips--too much sugar & starch. (Carrots are higher-glycemic than some white breads like sourdough)! No herb teas other than camomile & mint. No processed soy foods such as tempeh and soy protein isolate (fake meats). No ketchup or sriracha--loaded with sugar. For heat I use chilis, cayenne or sugarless hot sauces like Tabasco, Panola, Frank's or Crystal.
This is what I strictly limit: natural sweeteners (honey, agave, maple syrup--though I am a bit more generous with xylitol & stevia); low-carb breads & grains (wild rice, whole-wheat breads w/<3 net gm. carb per serving, Alyssa's Cookies--no sugar, <4 net gm carb per cookie), organic full-fat dairy (though I don't consciously limit natural cheeses, my wallet & digestive system do), dry wines & champagne, non-alcoholic beer (carb-y); citrus (other than lemon/lime juice), tropical and stone fruits, grapes, apples & pears; sweet potatoes, beans (other than green), peas (other than snap and snow) and winter squash; dark chocolate (72% cocoa solids). Also true balsamic vinegar--surprisingly high sugar content. Also miso, tofu, edamame and soy sauce/tamari. If I do thicken sauces, I make a slurry of arrowroot & water and stop adding it when I see thickening begin. Veggie purees are preferable.
This is what I don't limit per se, but do keep portions & frequency reasonable: sea and kosher salt (for cooking), spices, seasoning & salad herbs, grass-fed mammal meats, organic poultry, fish (especially responsibly caught/farmed and high-Omega 3), eggs from pasture-raised chickens on small farms, organic butter, olive/coconut/nut oils, mustard (w/o starches & sugars), capers, vinegars other than balsamic, nuts (other than peanuts), nut butters, almond & coconut milks (unsweetened), seltzer (plain or unsweetened flavored), lemon & lime juices, berries, melon, green and other non-starch veggies not mentioned above, coffee (beans or espresso), brewed tea (black, green, white, oolong, camomile, mint), unsweetened cocoa powder, dark chocolate over 85% cocoa solids. I don't limit salad greens except as appetite dictates.
Meds I'm on: letrozole, Dexilant, Wellbutrin (okay with AIs but not tamox), Benicar HCTZ, Celebrex, arthritis Tylenol, montelukast, Zyrtec (will switch to Claritin if letrozole gives joint pain), baby aspirin for cardioprophylaxis. If letrozole makes me hyperlipidemic, I'll have to go on a statin; and if I do, then will add Metformin to counteract the hyperglycemia that statins cause. May also go on Prolia per the osteo specialist.
Supplements: multivitamin w/o iron, D3, magnesium, calcium citrate, GTF chromium (not picolinate) for glucose control, biotin, melatonin, zinc, krill oil, CoQ10. I might add turmeric & ginger, but I much prefer their edible forms (grated, ground or shaved) as seasonings. Ditto fresh garlic.
I haven't been told to avoid grapefruit, though I don't drink grapefruit juice because all fruit juices are basically liquid sugar despite their other nutritional value. As for tomato and veggie juices, I strictly monitor sodium content.
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I realized I forgot a few things:
non-dairy probiotics
melatonin
daily baby aspirin (Not enteric coated, which means I have to take a chewable. Bayer makes a cherry flavored. I don't take anything with orange flavoring which is usually made from orange peel and oils. Citrus peel and oils contain tangeritin, which might deactivate tamoxifen)
green tea 4-5 cups/day
I'll go back and add them to the original list. I love my supplements and wish I could take more, but there are concerns about interactions with tamoxifen. I agonized over the ones I do take, and I feel OK about what I decided on. Still have my days when I worry if something is safe.
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I have acid reflux so have been taking the enteric coated baby aspirin. Why is the enteric not a good idea?
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betco1 - this is going back to my initial reading, and every detail is not still with me, so I'll just give you the simplest version for now. The enteric coating may inhibit absorption. Levels were lower, especially in overweight people. There were some studies but before I tell you exactly what they found I am going to go refresh my memory. I'll try to post some links later.
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OK beco1, I found a lay version from UC Berkeley. Oh and welcome! I just realized that was your first post.
Here's the money quote, but I recommend you read the whole article:
"An older Irish study published in the journal Stroke found that the coating reduces the absorption and bioavailability of low-dose aspirin, and thus may be less effective in inhibiting clotting, especially in heavier people. In that study, a 75-milligram enteric tablet (the dose typically used in Europe, similar to the 81-milligram "baby" aspirin used here) was equal in effect to 50 milligrams of uncoated aspirin. Previous studies by this research team had similar findings."
If you have to take the enteric coated you could probably take a higher dose to make up for it. In my travels around here I've run across women who were taking anywhere from a low dose 81mg to a whole regular strength aspirin daily for recurrence prevention on the advice of their doctors. Ask your doctor, but I'm guessing 2 of the 81mg pills would do it without causing other problems. Don't split a whole regular dose aspirin because that breaks the coating.
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Maybe the children’s chewable aspirin might be more readily absorbed.
Forgot to mention that I also ditched Vit. C pills (incl. “Airborne”) because it’s an antioxidant. (Stopped adding A & E years ago, and take iron only when diagnosed as anemic, stopping when my H&H goes back up to normal for a postmenopausal woman). I was advised by my MO that while antioxidant-rich foods are okay, antioxidant supplements are not, especially during active treatment as they prevent damage to all cells (normal and cancerous). I also take a nightly probiotic with at least 30 billion live cells (those gummies or “TruBiotics” are a joke), and the only yogurt I eat is Fage plain Greek--which has non-BGH milk and live cultures as its ONLY ingredients--no fillers, gums, flavors or sugars. I add my own vanilla, berries, xylitol & nuts.
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OK, Have my bottles here in front of me.....seems like a mini-pharmacy, but I see from reading that you all take a lot too.
Arimidex Bone Strength plant based Calcium with Vitamin D3 and K2 Glucosamine Chondroitin New Chapter whole fish oil 1000 mg. Biotin 5000 mcg. (trying to help my hair grow) Super B Complex Organic Turmeric Curcumin (with black pepper) - NativOrganics Baby Aspirin Lexapro 10 mg. Centrum Silver - I may stop this when the bottle is empty because I am really trying to eat healthy.....lots of green organic vegetables and other organic vegetables, organic fruits, organic oatmeal, free range chicken and eggs, wild caught fish, whole grains, organic olive oil, sometimes ground turkey to make turkey loaf, organic sweet potatoes and sometimes organic red potatoes (really good cut up and roasted with baby carrots and olive oil), nuts, 1 cup coffee a day, green tea
NO dairy, alcohol, red meat, sugar or sweets (occasionally I treat myself to a couple dark chocolate covered walnuts or almonds) I found once I stopped eating sweets, like cookies and pie, etc., I really do not miss it and feel a lot better. No prepared salad dressings.
I have probably left something out, but this is basically my diet.
I read that coffee is actually good for us. ?? Did I read someone said otherwise?
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Hello! Can anyone please explain to me why it is not advisable to take antioxidant vitamins while undergoing radiation? Does that apply to all antioxidants? Also, I would've thought that radiation is so much more powerful and potent than a antioxidant vitamin pill. Many thanks for your thoughts
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I would ask your RO if you haven't and go by what he/she says. I've never heard of such a thing personally. Many fruits have antioxidants and we're not told to stop any food item. Just like with chemo some MOs say no vits/supps and others like mine say my vit D, multivit and calcium are fine. Everyone has their opinion. If it were a hard fact, I would think it would be something across the board.
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ChiSandy- Thank you for your thorough post. How did you arrive at the elimination and winnowing? Did you consult a nutritionist or did your MO mention anything? I ask because all of the physicians I speak to about diet basically give me a version of Michael Pollan's "eat plants and nothing your grandmother wouldn't recognise as food". So I have been wading into this morass of nutrition and contraindications without really specific knowledge.
Thanks,
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I think the no antioxidants during treatment idea is one of those better safe than sorry theories that has never been conclusively proven, but it is the general way of thinking for most oncologists. Here's an alternate view:
Hey Doc, Can I Take Antioxidants During Chemo and Radiation?
I didn't need chemo or radiation (BMX with widely clear margins and low Oncotype) but I don't personally take megadoses of antioxidants because there is some evidence they might interfere with tamoxifen. I think the evidence is pretty weak, but because I didn't have chemo I really need the tamoxifen to work and go out of my way to not interfere with it. I'm glad I only have to take it for two years because tamoxifen seems to have the highest risk of interactions of the hormone therapies.
I have an MO and a naturopath. I think the MO is too cautious and the ND not cautious enough so I listen to what they both have to say, then I do my own research and make my own decisions based on the amount of risk I'm willing to live with. I wish there was a good integrative oncologist in my state but there isn't.
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I've heard a lot about Turmeric/Curcumin and tamoxifen...Some studies say it enhances effectiveness, and some say it inhibits metabolism of the drug. I really want to do everything I can to prevent tamoxifen resistance, but I'm scared that I might end up doing more harm than good. Has anyone's oncologist explicitly said it's ok? Or are there any studies that are definitive?
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Hi Loving! Curcumin is something I would like to take also but I decided against it for the reasons you mention. My MO says she doesn't know, ND thinks it's OK. I think it's probably OK but I chose not to take it just in case. One concern that I think is valid is that it is suggested that curcumin be taken with piperine (a black pepper extract - they are often packaged together) for better absorption. Piperine is a strong inhibitor of CYP2D6, which is the enzyme most responsible for tamoxifen metabolism. Interfering with that process can result in lower levels of tam's active metabolites. I avoid piperine.
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The studies I've read explain that curcumin is hardly metabolized alone, therefore to obtain any effect at all it has to be taken with piperine. For my wife I buy only the curcumin formulation that has black pepper in it.
I share below the bibliography I've collected
Ashwagandha - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects. Examine.com. http://examine.com/supplements/Ashwagandha/. Accessed March 25, 2014.
Vyas AR, Singh SV. Molecular targets and mechanisms of cancer prevention and treatment by withaferin a, a naturally occurring steroidal lactone. AAPS J. 2014;16(1):1-10.
Szarc vel Szic K, Op de Beeck K, Ratman D, et al. Pharmacological Levels of Withaferin A (Withania somnifera) Trigger Clinically Relevant Anticancer Effects Specific to Triple Negative Breast Cancer Cells. PLoS One. 2014;9(2).
Wright LE, Frye JB, Gorti B, Timmermann BN, Funk JL. Bioactivity of turmeric-derived curcuminoids and related metabolites in breast cancer. Curr Pharm Des. 2013;19(34):6218-6225.
Bilecová-Rabajdová M, Birková A, Urban P, Gregová K, Durovcová E, Mareková M. Naturally occurring substances and their role in chemo-protective effects. Cent Eur J Public Health. 2013;21(4):213-219.
Hübner J, Marienfeld S, Abbenhardt C, Ulrich CM, Löser C. [How useful are diets against cancer?]. Dtsch Med Wochenschr. 2012;137(47):2417-2422.
Jiang J, Wojnowski R, Jedinak A, Sliva D. Suppression of proliferation and invasive behavior of human metastatic breast cancer cells by dietary supplement BreastDefend. Integr Cancer Ther. 2011;10(2):192-200.
Hix LM, Shi YH, Brutkiewicz RR, Stein PL, Wang C-R, Zhang M. CD1d-Expressing Breast Cancer Cells Modulate NKT Cell-Mediated Antitumor Immunity in a Murine Model of Breast Cancer Metastasis. PLoS One. 2011;6(6)
Lerman RH. The macrobiotic diet in chronic disease. Nutr Clin Pract. 2010;25(6):621-626.
Dhodapkar MV. Harnessing human CD1d restricted T cells for tumor immunity: progress and challenges. Front Biosci. 2009;14:796-807.
Weitzman S. Complementary and alternative (CAM) dietary therapies for cancer. Pediatr Blood Cancer. 2008;50(2 Suppl):494-497; discussion 498.
Rezash V. Can a macrobiotic diet cure cancer? Clin J Oncol Nurs. 2008;12(5):807-808.
Kushi LH, Cunningham JE, Hebert JR, Lerman RH, Bandera EV, Teas J. The macrobiotic diet in cancer. J Nutr. 2001;131(11 Suppl):3056S - 64S.
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gciriani- Thanks for the list of articles. There are lots I haven't read and so am off to the library for journal access now!
Solfeo- thanks for your input. I will read that link!
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I just learned a delightful new thing: apparently the beverage with the highest antioxidant count in the world--higher than green tea--is hibiscus tea. If you've never heard of it, you should know that it's often the first ingredient listed in those zinger teas that Celestial Seasonings puts out--any of their zingers and many of their fruit teas have hibiscus as one of the main ingredients. This is really good news to me b/c I hate green tea but I love apple cinnamon tea and drink that every day. Also chamomile tea has some cancer fighting ability and I don't much like it by itself but I'm sipping on one with vanilla right now and it's pretty good. The only beverages I drink these days are herb teas, coffee, and water. Sometimes I choke down a green tea but no longer feel as much pressure to do so.
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Piper, if you have a Mexican grocery around you they use the hibiscus as both tea & agua frescas. You can get bags of the blossoms cheap. They will be labeled Flor De Jamaica. They are usuaaly in packets on the racks of hanging packeted spices.They make a pretty red drink to serve chilled. Kind of like a grown-up red Kool-aid. It is very tart and needs sweetening. Some markets also have bottles of liquid concentrate.
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Well, that's cool about hibiscus tea! I've been drinking matcha tea lately, but frankly it tastes like grass to me.
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SpecialK, I see an old post from you that you take Claritan for AI joint pain. I wonder what's in it that helps and do you think Allegra will do the same?
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I'm new to this and trying to eat better and educate myself about what kinds of food to avoid. I'm ok going without sugar and alcohol but I have problems with dairy - especially yogurt and cheese! Are there any brands of yogurt or types of cheese that are ok to eat? Or should I just learn to live without these in my diet? My ER status came back strongly (>95%) positive.
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grandma3x - I did a lot of reading about dairy foods after I was diagnosed; because I, too, enjoy a lot of it. There are a number of conflicting studies but I feel comfortable with my choices.
I cut out milk and replaced regular ice cream with coconut milk ice cream. I eat only low fat organic grass milk yogurt like Maple Hill Creamery or make my own using grass milk. The typical U.S. cow milk production involves keeping cows in a near constant state of producing which results in higher levels of estrogen - something I don't want. Grass-fed cows would be expected to have lower levels of estrogen. As far as cheese; Gouda, Edam and Jarlsburg (non-US) all have good amounts of vitamin K2 which some studies actually show to help fight cancer. Or I will sometimes buy some imported sheep's milk cheese. I just try to limit the amounts and how often I do it. I still enjoy a pizza night out every so often and figure that's not going to make or break my long-term health
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marijen - my thought is that it is the antihistamine reducing an inflammatory response - whether other OTC antihistamines work is trial and error. I had been taking Claritin after Neulasta injections, also have allergies, so just continued taking it. On occasion when I stopped (ran out or forgot) the joint pain was sometimes worse. I also like Claritin because some of the other drugs can cause drowsiness.
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grandmaX3, I occasionally eat dairy (butter/cheese/yogurt). No particular brands to suggest (well I do love Old Croc brand cheddar). And I do make sure any dairy products I buy are hormone/rBST free and made w milk from grass-fed cows-read labels carefully. Many imported cheeses are rBST free since this substance is banned in lots of other countries but not in the United States where most commercially raised dairy cattle are treated with it.
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