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  • MLP3
    MLP3 Member Posts: 534
    edited January 2016

    Peggy... He sooo owes me😁

    Night ladies

  • LovesToFly
    LovesToFly Member Posts: 1,133
    edited January 2016

    thank you Peggy.

    Nite ladies!!!

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited January 2016

    MLP3, I totally get that!

    Love you all!!!

    HUGS!

  • Reader425
    Reader425 Member Posts: 653
    edited January 2016

    I am glad so much mileage was had by the "Prone" position spellchecker error! I chuckled at a few of the add on comments. And since we're (sort of) on the topic, I agree that intimacy can be so bonding if possible and agreeable to both. My husband also follows my lead and was initially concerned about hurting me but things have normalized over time. Take heart those who are struggling now in that area.

    I also wanted to say a thank you to Peggy. Your kind and detailed observations and suggestions are so very, very helpful.

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited January 2016

    Sloan, Molly--you look great and so glad you got to meet up. (We need to get a Chicago tri-state area get-together)! Jill--way to go, sistah! (Virtual hi-5). Shamisen, don’t despair if you can’t have IORT--remember you’d have to be “under” that much longer in order to get an adequate dose of radiation. That’s why NorthShore Evanston’s BS team doesn’t offer it.

    Speaking of LE, I had my first LE therapy session today. I have a great PT/OT--when we were discussing the breast seroma I ruefully said “Nature abhors a vacuum.” Without missing a beat, she replied “So do my kids.” She said that though I may not have had arm & hand LE in-flight (agrees with me that sodium-laden airplane food & snacks were probably the culprit--Bob says his ankles swelled up almost as much as when he has fries or an Italian beef sandwich), I definitely DID have cording. In the interim between my meeting the LE specialist and today, a mysterious painless bruise appeared on my forearm. Don’t recall how the heck I got it. But she asked me where I had felt the soreness and where I had palpated the little knot--and sure enough, that was the spot. She told me that often a cord or knot “pops” and then resolves, and it can leak serous fluid into the capillaries, which looks like a bruise. She looked at the breast seroma, and though she confirmed it’s not technically LE, it IS full of lymph fluid. So she taught me manual lymph drainage, to do for both arm and breast--bilaterally, because some of the breast drainage goes across my chest to the opposite side, where it (hopefully) goes into my bloodstream to eventually get excreted.(Some abdominal fluid may also end up being eliminated--nice side effect). I need to do MLD at least twice a week prophylactically, and also whenever my arm starts to feel heavy or tight. And because of the size of my breasts (especially Big Mamma on the right side), if my arm can’t reach around sufficiently I may have to teach Bob so he can assist me. (Maybe I’ll get lucky too).

    Only one problem: she looked at the way my 38I bra fit and declared I need to go up a band size (which will also increase the cup to the size of a 38J) in order to avoid red marks and constriction. So I had to order my favorite bras in a 40I (and clear out drawer space again). Advance birthday present, I guess.

    On our way tonight to dinner at The Girl & the Goat--took me two years but I finally scored a table (even though we had to settle for 9:30).

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited January 2016

    Reader425, I'm glad that I've been able to be helpful to you. It feels very good and gives me a new purpose with my very new and different life. Becoming a widow in September and now planning on moving to Spokane, Washington (probably in June), downsizing and decluttering from being 48+ years in one place - huge. Everyone here supported me when DH was ill and I was down. I'm so glad I can pay it forward.

    HUGS!

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited January 2016

    ChiSandy, looks like you've gotten good advice and hints on how to manage all your cording and possible LE. And a bonus of maybe DH helping - that would be nice. Congrats on scoring that table - hope the food is FANTASTIC!

    HUGS!

  • Peachy2
    Peachy2 Member Posts: 350
    edited January 2016

    Peggy, you are the best! <3


  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited January 2016

    Peachy, time to look down sheepishly, drag my toe in front of me and say, "Aw shucks." :)

    HUGS!

  • AMaree08
    AMaree08 Member Posts: 45
    edited January 2016

    Hi lovely ladies,

    I was just wondering if anyone else has been in a similar position. I had a partial masectomy on the 9th of December due to is being New Zealand summer holiday my follow up appointment was 7th January. Based on my results and that I am only 26 my surgeon wants me to have the BRCA test done first. My treatment plan will then be established once we have those results. I have just found out my letter has arrived at the genetic testing place but has to wait for approval then its 60-90 days after approval on the waiting list before I will get seen. I completely understand that it is a busy department but at that rate it will be 3 1/2 months since my surgery before I establish what my treatment plan is. Is that normal? how long after this type of surgery until treatment usually begins?

    Feel bad for moaning when there are so many other people in situations worse then mine...

    Was going to go to the gym today, my first time since the surgery but feeling flat :(

  • 614
    614 Member Posts: 851
    edited January 2016

    Dear MKTCa:

    My breasts were completely bruised after my surgery. The black and blue looks much worse after a few days.   That is how bruising works.  However, I had a double lumpectomy and a lot of tissue was removed.  I also had a breast reduction and a breast lift.  Both of my breasts were badly bruised.  However, neither breast hurt and both healed quickly and nicely.  It just looked bad.  The SLNB surgery was the hardest part for me.  Good luck at the doctor tomorrow.  I hope that you are fine. 

    Dear Brightsocks:

    I was absolutely fine throughout radiation except for one day only.  As Peggy said, the tx each day is very quick.  You can easily work and have radiation.  Good luck.

    Someone???

    I had my surgery 1 & 1/2 years ago and I still don't have feeling in a large part of my breast or under my arm where I had the SLNB.  However, I have total sensation in my nipples so that is all I really care about.  The weird feeling that I have at times is when my breast itches. When I try to scratch the itch, I am unable to feel anything except for the itching.  It is bizarre.

  • 614
    614 Member Posts: 851
    edited January 2016

    I love all of the pictures. 

    Sloan and Molly:  It is great that you were able to meet.  I'm jealous.

    ChiSandy:  You are gorgeous.

    LovesToFly:  I am so happy for you. 

    Dear Peggy:  You are the absolute best.  Thanks for everything. 

    Dear HappyHammer:  I hope that there is nothing wrong with the spot that you noticed.

    To everyone else:  I know that I want to answer many people but there are so many posts that I have forgotten what I intended to say.  Sorry.  So many of you are going through so much so I wish you the best.  I am sorry that I am not being more specific.

    As far as I go:  I will be going to a breast cancer survivor retreat during one weekend in February.  I can't wait.   I went last year and will be going again this year.  It is through the Lotus Survival Foundation.  They are the most amazing people (aside from all of you guys).  I am so lucky to be able to go. 

    I found out that a group of teachers walk during the 25 minute lunch time that we have.  I always work through lunch and eat while working.  I am so excited because I will be walking with these ladies from now on.  It will force me to take a short break, to walk, and to spend time with some great colleagues. 

    Things have been rough for me.  I detached my ACL and tore my meniscus while playing in the student/faculty basketball game  in November 2013. I fell in front of the entire school.  Fun times!  I am totally uncoordinated.  I was diagnosed with bc on the last day of my physical therapy in June 2014. I was looking forward to not having appointments any more.  Little did I know what was in store for me!  I was forced to stop exercising due to my knee injury.  I never got back into exercising. My fault.  I was medically induced into menopause and I am taking Arimidex/Anastrazole.  I have gained so much weight now.  My resolution is to exercise.  I must get back into shape.  I am so disgusted with myself.

  • Molly50
    Molly50 Member Posts: 3,773
    edited January 2016

    Oh my, I leave and you all talk sex! It's a wonderful way to reconnect. ChiSandy, your PT sounds great. 614 what a great way to spend your lunch break. I need to be more active. I gained 6 lbs since surgery. Brightsocks, go read the fall 2015 rads thread and the current winter rads thread. Great information you can glean from reading others experience. I did fine but mainly because my team and I communicated well. My RO was willing to give breaks or change up the order of things to protect my skin.

    Anyone I missed I apologize.

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited January 2016

    Amaree08, I have to agree with you that that is a REALLY long time to start any further treatment. I'd think they'd start radiation at least. And put you on Tamoxifen. Is there anything you can do to have your oncologist hurry things along or to get your other treatments started? I'd call your BS and ask him if you can't start radiation before the BRCA tests are completed (and you hit retirement age?). That would be my recommendation. Perhaps someone here has run into your situation. I'm sure they'll post.

    HUGS!

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited January 2016

    Yup, Molly, we turned X-rated. Must have been that "porn" position that turned out minds steamy!

    HUGS!

  • marijen
    marijen Member Posts: 3,731
    edited January 2016

    I think the porn position is legs over the head right?

  • Sloan15
    Sloan15 Member Posts: 896
    edited January 2016

    Melclariry - You're not far away; we're right here with you, sister!

    Bill Nye the Science Guy joined Neil DeGrasse Tysoon tonight on stage. It was a very fun night!

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited January 2016

    Amber, I’m with Peggy on this--way too long to sit & wait and do nothing. Ask if you can start Tamoxifen (or ovarian suppression) in the meantime, since you’re ER+. (As much as I wish the USA had a single-payer health system, some of these wait times I read about in the UK, Canada, Australia & NZ do give one pause). Because despite my “advanced” age at DX and lack of family history I’m Ashkenazi Jewish, I too had to await BRCA-testing results before starting rads (Oncotype was low enough to avoid chemo). A positive result for either mutation would have meant both BMX (and if followed by reconstruction, had I undergone rads first I could only get autologous, aka flap-and-fat, reconstruction because implants are contraindicated for irradiated tissue) and oophorectomy. Because I tested negative, I was able to proceed with rads.

    Peggy, Girl & the Goat was amazing. Some of the dishes may sound bizarre (or even disgusting), but they were delicious. Started with wood-roasted oysters in bacon cream. Then duck tongues with tuna poke, cracklings and arugula salad. Next was roasted pig face over veggie hash, topped with a sunny-side up egg; then confit of goat belly with vermicelli, crab and lobster, edamame & black beans, in a bourbon cream sauce. Dessert (my cheat for the week) was “Blood Orange Surprise:” a frosted half-dome of blood-orange-infused sponge cake accompanied by a Greek yogurt mousse studded with chunks of blood orange and candied pistachios. Small portions designed for two to share, so we walked out satisfied but not uncomfortably stuffed. (At no point did we need to cry “uncle” and ask for doggy-bags....oh, who am I kidding, “people bags”). We’ll go back, this time taking Gordy if he’s free for the evening. I had tried for three years to get a table there on a weekend or special occasion, to no avail. Secret is to go very early or late (European dinner-hour) on a weeknight.

  • Melclarity
    Melclarity Member Posts: 388
    edited January 2016

    Thanks Sloan!!!


    Amaree - That sounds odd, why is there a wait?? is it to do with public or private patient? Id call your BS, whether you test positive or negative you shouldnt be waiting that long to start some form of treatment. Based on what youve put as your diagnosis, that would be radiation. I do get pending that gene testing it could change the whole treatment plan. Seems really odd to me..Definitely call your BS and confirm it.

  • AMaree08
    AMaree08 Member Posts: 45
    edited January 2016

    hi ladies,

    I'm pleased it's not just me who thinks it's strange. My treatment so far has been through the public sector and has been fantastic so far. I hope that once the letter referral gets in front of the right person to approve getting tested for BRCA will change how long I have to wait to get things moving forward.

    At my hospital appointment when we got the pathologist results the doc said they want me to see 4 different specialists, genetics, fertility, radiation and chemo people. He said that the genetics test is the first before I see any others as based on those results will determine how aggressive they want to be with my treatment.

    We have contacted my breast care nurse and just going to be a bit more patient see what happens in the next week. They are so busy I just have to wait my turn but they have made it clear they want to move quickly and aggressive but that was coming from the surgery team and essentially I have been handed over to these other specialists so who knows... Hopefully I will know more in a few days time

    Thank you for your feedback

  • Melclarity
    Melclarity Member Posts: 388
    edited January 2016

    Amaree - I agree the Public Sector is fantastic! I did wonder why the delay with the testing. Your team sound great, and certainly on it. I havent had the gene testing here, but I remember my BS Surgeon saying at the time its really expensive, which I thought how stupid! as it should be readily available to everyone. Your Oncologist sounds really good Amaree, doing all the right things. sit tight, hoping you hear something very soon. Put your faith in your Team, I think its all going to work out. Try rest easy, I know its hard but the most important thing is you've had the surgery, so its just the next step now, you're going to be ok.

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited January 2016

    Marijen, You've re-read Fifty Shades of Gray too many times :)

    HUGS!

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited January 2016

    ChiSandy, You're right! That menu is.....uh, different! Yah, that's it. Different. I am so not an adventurous diner that I would not have survived it. But I'm glad you enjoyed it and it was worth dining fashionably late. Like you, I don't like feeling stuffed. It's so uncomfortable!

    HUGS!

  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited January 2016

    Amaree, It's good that you have confidence in your team. Do tell them how concerned you are about waiting so long to start any treatment at all. Tamoxifen shouldn't interfere with any other treatment, even a BMX if that should unhappily be needed. And, this is important too, YOU will feel like you are doing something to prevent your cancer from coming back. All of us on hormonal treatment feel that way. Hope things move quickly for you.

    HUGS!

  • Jclc83
    Jclc83 Member Posts: 246
    edited January 2016

    I can't even attempt to respond to everyone's comments. I got whiplash just reading through them all.

    For those that have posted pictures you look marvelous. You are making cancer patients like me look bad lol.

    It's great that some of you got to meet as well. That must have been fun. Neil DeGrasse-Tyson and Bill Nye are two of the most interesting people. I'm a nerdy scientific type. Well, not really nerdy ha!

    Chi I'm glad you liked Girl and the Goat but did you ever eat at her other place Little Goat? It's a little more casual but the dishes are just as interesting. I read she is opening a new Chinese place soon, also with Goat in the name.

    I have my second cold in three weeks. Ugh. I'm sure winning the Powerball tonight will make me feel better. I hope your day is awesome

  • Jclc83
    Jclc83 Member Posts: 246
    edited January 2016

    I've often heard that socialized medicine was better. But waiting months for treatment would be so hard. I like our U.S system!

  • mairew
    mairew Member Posts: 84
    edited January 2016

    Peggy, you asked how my treatment (plan) was shaping up. Thank you I have healed great from the LX, had no problems travelling. Met with the MO, whom I dont really like. She recommends chemo (TC) but I want to see the oncotype score first.. Met with Ro, and will have 33 rad (unfortunately not in the porn position). Then will move onto the Hormone therapy. All very predictable so far.


  • PontiacPeggy
    PontiacPeggy Member Posts: 6,778
    edited January 2016

    mairew, Not really comfortable when you don't like your MO. Is there another one you can see? You might consider shopping around. You have to be able to trust your doctors and if you don't you'll wonder if you are getting the best advice (perhaps you will be but without trust, you get a bit skeptical). When do you get your Oncotype test results? How old are you? That can be a huge influence on whether chemo is recommended. It appears from what I have read, that the younger you are the more apt chemo is to be part of the treatment plan. BTW, I didn't have porn position either (I do love it!).

    HUGS!

  • marijen
    marijen Member Posts: 3,731
    edited January 2016

    Peg, 50 shades of BC! I never read the book or saw the movie. Ugh

  • mairew
    mairew Member Posts: 84
    edited January 2016

    Peggy, I am 42. Oncotype should be back in a week or two. I am at a univesity hospital which is NCI accredited or whatever. After I get the oncotype results I will see how I feel. I might go back down to Md Anderson in Houston for a second opionion if I fall in that dreaded gray area

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