Is anyone else an atheist with BC besides me?
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There are no cures. All you can do is reduce risk as much as possible. I personally believe you have to come at it from multiple angles and whatever doesn't hurt, helps. And the effect is cumulative. Just knowing I'm doing everything I possibly can is a big stress reducer in itself.
The hardest part is not beating yourself up when you're not perfect. On an individual level we all know It's a crapshoot no matter what you do or don't do, so I just try to focus on what I'm doing right rather than on my shortcomings. Your successes in combination are what really matters, because that is what builds up your defenses against those times when you can't let the stress roll off. It's gonna happen, don't stress out about it.
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I am a strong proponent of "Whatever works"
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I am looking forward to Winter Solstice. It is on the night between 21 and 22 December, depending on where you are (early morning for me).
For me, this moment is something REAL to celebrate, so important for every living thing on earth.
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Mindfulness is the current buzz word to reduce stress. Some people charge $$$ for a class and teach it like it's something new that they have discovered. Just Google "meditation stress relief research" and see the number of classes for a fee.
The real deal is thousands of years old and is free. Here are audios on meditation and mindfulness from a Buddhist monk who's located in San Diego. He has a wonderful voice and a pragmatic attitude toward meditation. http://audiodharma.org/series/16/talk/1869/
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A wine store I passed the other day had this on their billboard out front:
Wine sale - Cheaper than therapy
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Hey all! Thanks for all the replies and support. I'd like to switch back to a related topic of my original post from Dec 2nd. Do any of you have atheist close friends or family?I was becoming very close to someone that claims to be non-religious but "christian". She doesn't attend church, but claims to have a relationship with god. So, the last time we were together, we got into a deep conversation. The topic was if she would accept her children's morals or lifestyle (when becoming adults) if they didn't keep her current morals. That conversation was long and complex. It seemed like she didn't think I can feel awe, wonderment and a sense a purpose due to my atheism. At one point she said that evolution also requires faith and it's also a theory. But her understanding of theory within science was incorrect. She was using theory as in a guess or speculation which I explained the difference. She was very confused in trying to figure why I lack belief.
Later on, she said her kids are not going to change their morals as they age. She never answered if she would keep a relationship if they did. So I think her love is conditional or bigoted. Although she says her friends are diverse including another atheist besides me.
I also had a conversation with another friendly acquaintance. She is Muslim and has some characteristics I like. But in our last conversation she said something that shows bigotry towards LGBT people.
I'm so torn about my relationships. These online discussions are good. But I crave close interaction. I struggle so much because I would've liked to connect with more people that are also atheist/humanist. The first friend I mention conflicts me the most. I thought we were becoming close friends. She had helped me in a crises prior to the cancer diagnosis, but I'm noticing due to other circumstances and our last meeting, the friendship is falling apart.
I'm getting tired of being guarded during conversations but I'm also getting bored with casual topics. Online discussions are ok sometimes but not enough. I'm a married lady but my relationship with husband is complicated too because he is also a conservative christian. When we married I was a christian. I have two teenage kids. They're aware of our different worldviews and agree with mine. But they are my kids and not a substitute for friends. Atheist Meetups felt unnatural or forced. Any other ideas or advice to deal with this lack of socialization? Are online discussions or internet chats the only method most atheists in the USA use to cope with loneliness?
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ALL my friends, who I've known for almost 50 years, are holier than thou, bigoted, holy rolling hypocrites who tell tall fairy tales. Where did I come from? They went from 'good' sinners to born again, always right, and they KNOW. I never told them I am an atheist, evil and going to hell. I'm sure I'll be dropped off at hell's door....and I'll get breast cancer as punishment.....never have a good life.....be alone....How ignorant. FU
When they pray for me I tell them IF god gave me BC, who the f--k are you to ask him to take it back?
The only people I can share with are my 2 adult children who live in the city and our conversations are mostly short, but we will be celebrating Newtonmas (love it) and festivas, with all the gifts, lights, and food.
It is lonely being an atheist, but it makes life easy. The only contact I have is here, and I love the humor, and reading the posts.
Winter is coming
enjoy
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Happy Yule!! It's the shortest day of the year.
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I don't know if you have access to a Unitarian church, but they are comfortable with agnostics and atheists. When we lived in Houston, that's where we went and took the kids. The 11:00 service was pretty religious, but the early service was not. The joke about Unitarians is that they believe in, at the most, one God. The churches do vary, however.
Seattle is pretty unchurched. Very low attendance with congregations having to combine. Many people think the ideal Sunday spiritual event is outside in the mountains, or sailing on a boat. I think evolution is even more miraculous to think that all this is the result. I told my son I thought that the interweaving of all things on earth is sacred.
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Happy Winter Solstice!
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If you were forced to worship a god of your choice, which one would you choose?
I would choose Shakti the goddess who is the primordial cosmic energy and represents the dynamic forces that are thought to move through the entire universe. Besides I like her outfit.
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Hey! Hope everyone's day yesterday was pleasant and peaceful.Chef: I agree with the frustration in being surrounded by preachy religious people. The good thing is not all are like that. There are some who have beliefs and are questioning, closet atheists, or of other non-christian religions (i.e. Buddhists) that would be worth trying to form a friendship with. I think that sometimes, people are unaware that due to their beliefs, they are bigots or intolerant. I didn't think to mention or have time to point this out to my friend. I think many religious people try being non-judgmental but forget about other things that make coexisting difficult.
Wren: I have been to a local Unitarian Universalist church several times. My problem is that it's still too formal, ritualistic and boring. As I've said before, I've also tried meetups. I'm hoping to get back to attending those, since I think it just may take some time to find some people that I could bond with. I was just starting to host one near me prior to diagnosis. But attendance was down due to me being the new host. I plan to go back to hosting once things improve.
Ananda: The physical human concept of goddess Shakti is pretty. Though her imagined powers are impressive, I would consider her or any deities needing worship insecure, weak and egotistical; which I would therefore consider them not being all that powerful to begin with.
I also want to share something cool for the holidays found earlier today. Enjoy!
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I belong to several atheist groups on Facebook as well as my family group that is very Christian. Some of them are terrified of "others" and think Trump should be President. When I post to the family, I try to post things to make them better Christians because in my opinion, one cannot be a good Christian and support Trump or Cruz. This is my latest from a Christian blog called Sojourners. https://sojo.net/articles/why-jesus-was-and-political-threat
What does everyone think of the article?
Bemba, I went to the local Unitarian and found it to be too rigid and theistic with not much room for non believers. Not openly hostile, but not warm either.
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Bemba, love the science songs!
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I've been an atheist and a Unitarian Universalist for more than twenty years and found enough diversity in the churches I've attended to find my niche. I'll admit that the major attraction for me was having a choir, but I also don't object to a certain amount of ritual. The church in New York I currently belong to is strongly humanist and generally a good fit for me, but I attended another in Texas for many years that was more theistic - not so many Christians, but a strong pagan group. You know - the Gospel according to Mercedes Lackey. The choir tended to be more humanist and the acoustics were great!
We originally joined because our kids were bombarded by Baptist schoolmates who let them know they were doomed to hell if they didn't accept Jesus as their Savior and it helped them to know there was a community that agreed there was no hell. When my younger son toured with the Texas Boys Choir his experience in church school helped him to stand up for his beliefs when discussions on the tour bus turned to religion. In fact, the director called me to ask if Andy would try to avoid these discussions since other parents were complaining that their sons were picking up some dangerous ideas. Apparently he won too many arguments!
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Carpe Diem, That's why we took our kids to the Unitarian Church too. The kids were getting Baptist and worse from school.
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My feelings are similar to those of suersis. I don't think friends have to agree about everything. I have a few friends who are believers that I can I have open, non-judgmental discussions with, but those relationships evolved over many years. For those conversations to work, I believe both parties must refrain from passing judgment. With most people I don't feel the need to bring it up. I don't like it when they proselytize so I'm not going to do it either.
There's only one type of religious person I try to avoid completely, and those are the ones who combine their religion with their politics in ways in which Jesus would surely disapprove - and can't shut up about it. It's not their religion that bothers me, it's the hypocrisy.
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I've been lurking on this thread for some time, and thought it might be time to introduce myself and say hello to everyone. Hello! *waves*
My family is very religious, but I have wavered between atheism and agnosticism (with Buddhist leanings) since childhood. I have always been curious about religion from an academic standpoint, however, and I like having friends from all sorts of religious backgrounds.
I recently posted this picture of my "altar" on Facebook. On it is all the little trinkets, both religious and non-religious, that I have been given since my diagnosis. I try to honor them in the spirit they were given to me, with love and well wishes. I try to honor "prayers" in the same way. (I do admit, though, that some of my motivation for posting the pic on Facebook was knowing that some of my ultra-Christian family members would be offended by some of the non-Christian elements. Shame on me!)
I'm fairly open about my lack of belief if the topic comes up, and mostly I get a good response. I did unfriend one former co-worker after she engaged me in a mean-spirited (ha!) religious argument, but I never liked her anyway. I sometimes remind folks that yes, despite the foxhole in which I find myself, I'm still an atheist.
I'm enjoying the UU discussion. I attended a UU church a few times and liked it. I quit going because I seem to attract the crazy in every crowd and had a guy border-line stalking me. That was over 10 years ago though, and I've been thinking about giving it another try.
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Shutterbug, It looks like you are fairly eclectic when it comes to Buddhism as well. I see a bit of Pure Land and a bit of what looks like a Theravada monk/nun. Have you looked into Taoism? It's another "religion" without a creator god.
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I just don't discuss religion with my friends. My best friend attends church weekly. My other friends talk about believing in God. Luckily no one is born again or what ever. I couldn't stand to have to listen to them. I was thinking of checking out the Unitarian church here but I have no idea what they talk about. Everyone says they're praying for me. I just say thanks. My closest friend lives about an hour & a half away so hardly see her. I don't have local friends. I can't seem to find anyone like me, lol.
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Shutterbug: I like your altar very much. I have been fascinated by Buddhism for a long time and study it on and off. I like the idea of a god-less religion and the focus is on alleviating suffering so that all beings can be happy. Have you read The Dalai Lama's Cat? It's a cute book, that explains some Buddhist principles thru the eyes of his holiness's cat.
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I, too, worship Motawi Tileworks.
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Ananda- You know way more than I do.
The mini-prayer flags were from my husband's aunt. A cause she supports send them to her every year. It came with the paper with the heart stamp. The Nam Myoho Renge Kyo card is from a friend. The photo, elephant and candle were all brought back from Thailand from various friends. I haven't looked into Taoism other than to read the Tao of Pooh, but I find that eastern religions just make sense to me in a practical way, but even they can get quite dogmatic.
Louisap- I find it is hard to find friends who admit to being non-theists, but that is changing as it becomes more accepted. It depends what part of the country you are in, I guess. I think there are many who identify as Christian who probably believe more like we do, but aren't ready to admit it or just don't give it much thought.
Glennie – Thank you. I have not read that one, I'll have to look for it. Thanks for the recommendation! I'm part way through "The Buddha Walks into a Bar" which I've found to be good at explaining the basics of Buddhism, and "How to Be Sick" by Toni Bernhard is the only book I read when first diagnosed that I think actually resonated with me.
Ksusan – Oh did your post make me laugh! You must be from Michigan! That was in a care package from my wonderful coworkers. It is even signed by Narwal Motawi! We are big fans here…I even had a Motawi calendar last year. Also, your laser kittens are awesome.
Hydranne – Yes! A friend of mine bought an RV and took off on a trip around the country after her divorce and sent me that Post Card from New Mexico. I thought it looked good on the altar.
Suersis – I'm curious, what is your background in? I majored in Microbiology with a minor in Anthropology. I agree that religion has nothing to do with morality. I think I came to that realization early on in life and it is probably what first made me question everything I was being told.
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Thanks for that book recommendation,,,I'll look for it.
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Four teenagers in togas -- one in blackface!!! -- tried to write their thing on my house door yesterday without my permission. So not OK, in so many ways....
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Split-bean - How awful, I hope you caught them before they did any damage! Love the cartoon!
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Hi Bug. The thing on Dec 6 is that guys dressed as three kings "bless" your house and write their initials and the date (CMB 2016 or someting like that) in chalk on the door. I live in a farmhouse and treasure my solitude. The arrival of any stranger is stressful for me and my brain damage makes it impossible to function under stress. My partner told me don't answer the door, but when they started writing anyway, I chased them off. Then my partner got seriously mad at me for that. It was awful. I just want to live in peace.
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Ohhhhh....That is not something that is common in this area of Michigan.
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Have you heard of Emily McDowell? She had BC and came up with great cards for that and other occasions. Her website is www.emilymcdowell.com. The kind of thing you can send a friend that shows her you "get" it.
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Hi Wren, I know, I am slow. I did not notice the illness cards until I read your post again, then I looked for them. They are absolutely bang on. Here's the illness card page for everyone who is as slow as me.
http://info.emilymcdowell.com/empathy-cards-for-serious-illness/
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