Winter 2015-16 RADS
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mdoc524, I had that itch with Taxotere, along with a rash that developed on my upper chest and down my arms. My MO prescribed extra steroids, as it can mean that you are having a bit of a reaction to the drugs. I also used over the counter benedryl and hydracortisone cream and it helped. Today I just feel a bit sunburned, but the RO recommended just hydracortisone cream for now and will prescribe a steroid cream if it gets worse. I have a three day break over the Christmas holiday and she also suggested using coconut oil over the entire area along with my shoulder and upper back as I was also getting a beam through my upper back through to my axilla for extra coverage as I had 1 positive lymph node prior to chemo. After chemo the Sentinel node and the three extra nodes they removed were all negative for the cancer, so the Taxane's worked! All in all, things are going well. Today was 17 of 25 regular treatments and they started planning for the five boosts, which if I read my report correctly, will be a lot smaller dose overall. I'll have a break both this week and next as I will only be getting four treatments with a three day weekend for the holidays. I am looking forward to getting some rest too. It seems that even working part time, by Wednesday all I can do is sleep. I come to work, get my treatment, work for a few hours then go home and nap for a couple of hours then it's back to bed by 7:30.
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PattyMeg, sounds delicious! If it doesn't put you in a good mood, add more vodka.
Welcome Jessies, 2mnykds, and SuzQ! This is definitely a great group of ladies and no question is a dumb question.
Jessies, there's a video floating around youtube somewhere that a member posted of her entire radiation session. The sim is definitely the longest one and after that they're much shorter.
2mnykds, did you figure out the difference in American/Canadian protocol? I believe the difference might be in the number of boosts? My RO told me that there was a study (either Canada or Europe I don't remember!) where they did 8 boosts instead of the American normal of 5 and they found it helped. So instead of 5 I'm getting 6, to bump up closer to the study. Who knows.
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My understanding is that the Canadian protocol refers to the shorter (and more dose dense, I believe) approximately three week version of rads, as opposed to about six weeks. That is what I am getting: 16 sessions altogether. so far it is going well. There is research showing it is effective (and it is certainly more convenient), but unfortunately, I couldn't find a quick link on the BCO website to share with you.
Octogirl
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Canadian protocol: IIRC, it's approximately the same amount of radiation (slightly less) as the American protocol, but divided over a smaller number of treatments. (I got something like 50 grays divided over 15 regular zaps and 3 boost.)
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Hi 2mnykds,
The simulation places you in the optimal position to receive radiation treatments to your breast. Two techs and my RO doc placed me on the table with this bag thing under my upper back, shoulders and head.The bag thing was filled with something that conformed to my body. The doctor and the techs worked hard to make sure I would be comfortable in my mold position for my treatments. My hands were placed over my head and the body mold comes up on each side of me to ensure the exact position for each treatment. They did a CT scan, x-rays and tooksome real photos too. Once they determined the position that they wanted me in one of the techs gave me 5 small tattoos. I had to hold very still for most of it. My breasts were exposed most of the time. They do this on the same table, in the same room, under the same machine that gives you the radiation treatments. Except the treatments are very short.This session is very important. The doctor will determine your treatment plan from the simulation. He/she will calculate the best angles to completely treat your breast with the least amount of damage to normal tissue. The RO also consults with a physicist and a dosimetrist to calculate proper dosage. This part is done after you leave. My treatments consist of two 20 second zaps and two 5 second zaps. I have a 20 and a 5 second zap at one angle and side then the machine swings over me to a different angle and delivers the second part of the dose, a 20 and a 5 second again. Everyone has a different plan because no two bodies are alike. I hope this helps. it's not scary at all!
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StefLove - thank you for the welcome. I think I found more information here than I did trying to google the treatment. And right now my treatment is set for 20 treatments over 4 weeks. He mentioned 15 minutes and I am not sure if that's 15 min of radiation or the entire appointment time.
octogirl - my treatments are currently set for 20 treatments over 4 weeks. I am very lucky that the oncology center is less than 5 miles from my house
Suz-Q - thank you thank you thank you for all the details. It helps me to have some image in my head of what will be happening.
Another question for everyone - are you working while undergoing radiation or taking time off work? Thank you to everyone for answering questions and offering advice. It's greatly appreciated
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2mnykds, I am almost certain they mean 15 minute appointment times. The machines are quick on the actual 'zap'. Getting you into just the right position takes at least as long as the radiation itself.
I am working full time during rads. However, because of the type of work I do, the workplace is shut down for ten days at the end of December for the holidays. This is great timing as the hardest part for me has been carving out time when I am at work to drive the 40 mins to rads, have the treatment and drive back: now that I am off work and enjoying the holiday until after the New Year I feel much more relaxed. However, if I lived or worked closer to the rads center, that wouldn't be an issue for me. We are all different, so you will have to see, but my experience thus far has been that only the distance I have to travel to treatment and the varying treatment schedules, with last minute changes, have been an issue with work (not the actual treatment).
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2mnykds,
I work full time too. I'm off over the holidays, but return to work toward the end of my treatments at the beginning of January. I'm worried about fatigue, however I talked to someone who finished recently and she never experienced any. I'm hoping I will be so lucky. I live about 15 minutes away from my treatment center and have the first appointment of the day at 8:00 a.m. I have not told any of my employees because I'm rather private. I work with the public all day long in a very small community. I don't want people asking me about my health or feeling sorry for me. This is just the way I am. I lost 25 lbs 2 years ago and I had to endure too many comments about my weight loss then. This was uncomfortable for me in my position. I have scheduled myself off at least one day during the last week of treatment and the following week as well just incase I need a little rest during the recovery period. My job is not physically demanding so I feel I should be able to handle it. My children are all adults, I only have one still living at home. My husband is very supportive and cooks most of the time. It gives me time to exercise 4 or 5 times a week. I need this for my physical and mental well being.
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- I'm also working full time during rads, but I'm off next week for the holidays. My treatment center is about 30 minutes away from home, but only about ten minutes from work. I also have the first appointment of the day at 7:25, so it doesn't interfere with work. I start at 8:15. I'm a little concerned about the fatigue, because I am a preschool teacher at Head Start and it can be very physical at times. I'm going to play it by ear, as far as taking days off or possibly taking a shorter day here and there. Two of my kids are out of the house, but 2 are still home, so I'm still busy at home as well. I think we all have to see how we will feel before we can make any decisions. Hope all goes well with your treatments.
- I'm also working full time during rads, but I'm off next week for the holidays. My treatment center is about 30 minutes away from home, but only about ten minutes from work. I also have the first appointment of the day at 7:25, so it doesn't interfere with work. I start at 8:15. I'm a little concerned about the fatigue, because I am a preschool teacher at Head Start and it can be very physical at times. I'm going to play it by ear, as far as taking days off or possibly taking a shorter day here and there. Two of my kids are out of the house, but 2 are still home, so I'm still busy at home as well. I think we all have to see how we will feel before we can make any decisions. Hope all goes well with your treatments.
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First treatment 12/30, 33 treatments should be over on Feb. 15th!
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StefLove, we made them yesterday, and they were delicious! We used rum instead of vodka, and sat out on my deck drinking them, because the temperature in New York has been so warm. A four day break from rads, good food, great family, and delicious cocktails, is just what the doctor ordered. Hope everyone who celebrates had a lovely Christmas. Patty
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Thanks for starting this thread. I've learned quite a bit reading everyone's experiences. Finished chemo, will have one-boob masectomy soon, then will start radiation some time after surgery this late January or February, Oh joy. No exact date yet... Don't like the idea, but apparently it looks like the reduction in cancer recurrence is greater than the undesirable side effects. So busy working, but will try to visit this super helpful site more often!
Cheers!
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Thanks to everyone for posting. I have found so much useful information from reading this and other threads. I see the RO the day after tomorrow and so have no schedule, or idea, really as to treatment duration or start. I had a lumpectomy almost 3 weeks ago and have been able to get back into excercise slowly. Does anyone here know if you can kayak/paddleboard during radiation? I've gone out twice since the surgery but am concerned about the sun and salt water. I'm in Australia so it is our summer and the beach beckons!
Thanks again!
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I see my RO on Tuesday, will probably start rads in early January.
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Welcome Welcome 2mnykds, Birdysmom, ivy2 and mapagail - sorry you have to be here but so glad you found us. Let us know if you need help and keep us posted on how you are doing and when you get treatment plan details!
ivy2 - not sure about sun and salt water with Rads - but I would think Sun and Rads won't mix well - would definitely ask RO ..
Birdysmom - good luck with surgery
Keepwalking- sorry you did not much info at your appointment - found it crazy that they don't do check ups during. My RO advised I will see her every Thursday during treatment - amazing how different things are between RO's and centers etc. Glad things are getting started for you though! Hope you get more info at your SIM.
PattyMeg - Hope you enjoyed your Jack Frost Cocktails - yummy! Love the pics!
JessiesGurlJudy - Hang in there with anxiety of the unknown - sometimes I think that is one of the hardest parts - glad you are here and able to benefit from those already in treatment.. Your RO appt will be here before you know it - good luck!
Suz-Q - thanks so much for sharing about your emotions/anxiety and we all have the right to cry, scream and be emotional - so glad you got some help and your sharing helps us too. Your detailed SIM explanation is awesome - thanks for that as well! Hugs to you!
Creativevintage - thanks for sharing you had a nasty rash with Taxol .. I had an immediate reaction at my 2nd Taxol - 10 nurses on top of me - my back and legs went into spasm could not move - very scary! I now get so many pre-meds to ensure no reaction and then the rash started right before my 4th Taxol - so bad all over my hips, lower legs and elbows. Got a round of oral steroids that helped for a few weeks along with topical cortisone cream everyday .. now it is getting worse - MO gave me another oral steroid dose pack to take and trying to hold out - hate how the steroids make you feel on top of all the chemo side effects -we'll see I might have to give in. I have 1 more Taxol left next Saturday - WooHoo! Glad things are going well for you and hope the fatigue gets better - is it just as bad as chemo fatigue.??
WooHoo - High 5's to you mfsanders for finishing RADs - hope you recover quick and your neck feels better!!!
I had my next to last Taxol yesterday - feel really crappy but so excited last chemo is next Saturday - I started chemo on 7/31 - what a long ride!! Hoping Radiation is a piece of cake as chemo has not been kind to me!!
Mary
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mdoc, almost done!!! ring that bell loud when you're done! So far for me rads have been so so much easier than AC+T. I still have 15 to go though so it's about to get fun I've heard.
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mdoc, I completely agree with what StefLove said. Radiation is so much easier than AC + T. It's like a spa treatment by comparison! (I keep telling myself this, and it's mostly true.) Today was 20 of 30 for me. Just a little flushed and itchy, but hydrocortisone helps and this is nothing compared to unpleasantness of neuropathy.
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Good morning everyone!! I really hate to be a grumpster but if I seriously don't start getting some warm and fuzzies from my radiation crew, things are just not going to be pleasant. I know there are other facilities but this one is close to my office so I'd rather go there but things just aren't clicking for me.
There was a bit of a hassle getting my first appointment scheduled, then I was there waiting for the doctor over 2 hrs before he even came in. The simulation or what I assume was the simulation was scheduled for the 21st. That day they did a CT scan and marked left with a lot of blue markers and told me to make sure and not scrub them off. They said if my mold was finished last week, they would call me and we would start today. Well, no call and all but two of the marks have faded and I promise I did not scrub them.
I'm set up for the hospital's online scheduling messenger which I understood that this RO didn't update. However, this morning I got an email showing that I'm scheduled for appts with the RO every Monday for the next 6 weeks, beginning 1/4/15. I called the RO's office and spoke to one of the RT's who said there was a note to "call patient" but he wasn't sure what was going on with me so he would talk to the other RT who did my CT scan and have her call me this afternoon.
Other things that I don't understand is that everyone else seems to have gotten tattoos but I was just marked with a sharpie. Also, my entire appointment last week which I thought was my "simulation" was done in the CT room. The only reason I even saw the radiation room was because I asked to see the machine.
Does this even sound normal??
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My simulation was done in the CT room but they also did my "tatoos" there so I guess every place does things differently.
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Well at least I know that it's not totally uncommon for it to all be done in the CT room. I wish they had done tattoos though. I know they are going to say I washed it off but I really only lightly rinsed that area and it's been an entire week.
I'm a very strict planner and I am working full time during this as I did through chemo so that's probably what has me a bit out of sorts. I want to be able to let my employer know exactly what's going on and I haven't been able to do that.
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Justmaximom, I was a little confused by this too. First I had the CT which they described as a mapping CT and gave me blue x's everywhere and put stickers on them and said to try not to wash them off. I later found out that those x's help the radiologist know how to position you, which way to tilt you etc.They also made my bean bag mold that day. Once the CT was done RO and radiologist got together to see what would work better prone position or on my back and then I had my Sim a week later. The day of the sim they gave me tattoos and they told me how many treatments( Canadian protocol 16 treatments, higher dose and 6 boosts). They printed me out a schedule of all 22 appointments ( they had asked me at the CT what time worked best for me and tried to accommodate that) and I started RADs two days later. I was confused too because I heard everyone talking about their Sim so I thought the planning/mapping CT was the same thing, but it wasn't. I hope this helps clear up some of the confusion. Patty
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hi all. I have done 16 out of 28 treatments. As for fatigue, I find it less debilitating than with chemo. I do feel tired, particularly at the end of the day, but don't notice when I'm on the go at work. Hope that helps folks. I do have 12 more to go so let's hope this doesn't change
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Pattymeg - drinking on the deck? Wow, that's pretty good for Dec. In Chicago, we were hit with ice and sleet today. Work let us out 2 hours early, thank goodness, and driving to rads and home was challenging.
I'm back on rads, after 1 week off for the pinkness I got from the Aquaphor. Finished 7 days of radiation and a anti-inflammatory cream, that I'll bring to radiation tomorrow. Of course, I bought a $14 container of Aquaphor, thinking it would last me throughout radiation, and now can't use it because of reaction. I really don't want to use anything except natural items like Aloe or Calendula cream, but for today I was told not to use anything.
Someone helped me immensely here by posting a link to a video of radiation treatment. I was very nervous for the SIM, which is longer than anything. Today they took some new films and did some new marks; I managed to keep most of the others by facing away in the shower and not letting water run over that side at all.
Not sure how many visits I have left, but I'm with you on this journey. The numbers of recurrence are reduced significantly with radiation.
Have a great night.
Linda
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I just started my third of six weeks of radiation therapy. My skin is beginning to get pink and splotchy. I've been using coconut oil on my mastectomy scars and continue to use it on this new pink area. Up to this point, the most discomfort I've had is while on the treatment table. Lying with my arms extended over my head, holding onto a grab bar makes my hands and forearms fall asleep and become cold and stiff within minutes. I was also getting a lot of stiffness and pain in my right shoulder, but PT seems to be helping relieve that. I'm concerned that the radiation will worsen the mastectomy scar on my right side. It seems to be tightening and distorting more than on the left since I started radiation.
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hi Mary, I start radiation sometime in Jan. Thanks for starting this discussion. I'm most concerned with getting over the chemo side effects in time and having energy to teach through rads. (33 sessions recommended).
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Hello!
I started radiation last Monday, 12/21, and am supposed to wrap up February 5th. I've had 4 session so far (closed on Christmas), and YIKES--yesterday their main machine broke so it was cancelled. Who knew I'd want to go to radiation so badly that I'd be very disappointed about a cancellation? But I"m supposed to go on vacation on February 7th, so I don't have a lot of wiggle room for postponements. And that is a long-overdue celebratory vacation….I was diagnosed in late April, started 6 months of chemo in May, had my lumpectomy in November, and want to wrap this up!!! They think they'll be making yesterday up on Saturday, so maybe I won't get off track. Fingers crossed.
Anyway, I've only had the 4 treatments, so no side effects yet. Thanks for starting this thread, I'm join got go back and read everyone's comments now. Happy New Year!
Tulips
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I have six regular treatments left and I am tired! I am working part time, but may reduce my hours even further starting next week. I am getting pinker over the breast and under the arm, but my collarbone and upper chest are flaming red and the RO told me today that it might get worse because of the thin skin over the collarbone and the amount of rads to that area. I do have some redness up on my neck, but that is because they are zapping the supraclavicular nodes. Last week she prescribed cortisone cream and it helped in my armpit, but today she gave me some Mepilex dressings to use because everything rubs on the collarbone area...seat belts, clothes, etc. I put on the dressing and had relief in minutes. After the regular treatments I have 5 boosts, and she told me that since they are no where near the collarbone or upper chest that I can expect to experience some improvement in that area shortly after my regular treatments end. The fatigue is no where near what I experienced with chemo. I just need a mid afternoon nap and early to bed. Chemo had me in bed for days and so weak that I needed a walker just to get around!
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PattyMeg, that sounds very similar to my experience so far. They did call me yesterday and told me I begin tomorrow but my understanding that I being treatment tomorrow. I did tell her that almost all the blue markings had worn off and she said not to worry that they would use the ones that were still there (which are darker and covered by clear adhesive) and make more markings before they begin. I'm not sure if those new marks will be sharpie or tattoo. Guess I'll find out in the morning.
I've gone too far at this point to get cranky!!
Thank you all for your responses and all the information.
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Hi Tessio and TulipsAndDaffodils, We welcome you to Breastcancer.org, and sorry that you have joined the club that nobody wants to be part of. We're all here for you, and routing you on!
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Lindab142, I think our weather is a day behind yours. My son lives in Lake Geneva, WI and he said it was bad yesterday, and then we got it this morning. Driving to rads this morning was NOT fun! My rads appointment is the first one of the day at 7:25, which they did to accommodate my work schedule. I work close to where I get treatments, but is a half hour away from my house. I'm off from work this week, so I was not too happy driving in on icy roads at 6:45 this morning. Hopefully tomorrow will be better weather. I'm glad you are back on track with your treatments. Patty
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