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  • dawntastic
    dawntastic Member Posts: 17
    edited December 2015

    Thanks so much. I have a great support system. My husband comes from a very large family and his sisters have set me up with all kinds of hats. I started losing my hair after my first chemo treatment, and it was shoulder-length. I decided to shave it off rather than watching it fall out.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited December 2015

    Ohiotripleplus you need to talk to your oncologist about your specific risk. The highest risk for recurrence is in the first 2 years. After that it drops and continues to drop but never really to 0 unless 30 years have passed. I know my 10 year risk for recurrence bases on my diagnosis and age is/was 16% according to my oncologist. I'm now 5+ years out so I know my risk has actually gone down because it was higher in the first 5 years. Hope that makes sense.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited December 2015

    ohio - to add to lago's post, our recurrence stats differ based on our individual situations - larger tumor, positive nodes, genetics of the tumor - all can influence whether or not it may come back.  There is no flat percentage that applies to all of us, but the advances in Her2+ treatment have definitely improved the odds for us.

  • Moonflwr912
    Moonflwr912 Member Posts: 6,856
    edited December 2015

    My tx included many "Scenic Detours" . I like winding road too! LOL. But I'd rather everyone be on the express track!

    I still have my port. I got it in 2012. They couldn't get a good stick when I had my knee sx last year. They used my port and were happy to do it.they also used it for my cataract sx. I was debating getting t out but if they can't draw well, it makes no sense to get it out. Mine is basically just a flat scar. Doesn't stick out at all. Not to mention I have a pacemaker on y left so f i ones out the other lace mentioned options are not so good or me.

    Much love to all.

  • Sammy3
    Sammy3 Member Posts: 136
    edited December 2015

    Hi everyone - I am looking for input on the chemo cocktail that you were recommended. I am just getting ready to start next week (see signature) but I had a surgical follow up and he questioned why the oncologist said that I need the 4 drugs. If you get Heceptin/Perjeta, is it always paired with the same 2 chemo drugs?

    I have a 2nd oncology opinion for next week, so the date I have stated below is now most likely going to bump out a week. I just thought you all may have some personal experience that could help me.

    From my lumpectomy, I had clear margins and nodes were negative. I am planning on the double Mx next year, but my brca was still pending. Do I have to be completely done with the year of herceptin to have surgery?

    Ugh I am new with so many questions. Thanks!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited December 2015

    Sammy - there are exceptions, but Perjeta is currently FDA approved for early stage with Taxotere, Carboplatin and Herceptin, so you will see TCHP as the most common combo for this situation.  You do not need to be done with Herceptin to have surgery - I had two reconstructive surgeries while still on it, and most who did BMX with expanders exchanged to implants while still on Herceptin.

    Ask away with any questions - that is why we are here!

  • Moonflwr912
    Moonflwr912 Member Posts: 6,856
    edited December 2015

    i had TCH. It was just before Perjeta was approved. There seem to be 2 main protocols for Triple Positive.

    One is Taxotere, Carboplatin, Herceptin and Perjeta.

    The other protocol is Adriamiacin alone then Taxol and Herceptin.

    Not sure if they give Perjeta with this one.

    Both are pretty much the state of the art and comparable. We've decided on this board it depends if they trained on the West Coast it's usually Adriamiacin. And the East Coast it's TCHP. LOL the Midwest mixes it up.

    Just ask which protocol your MO is inclined to use. Then go to the discussion board for that particular experience on the boards here. It helps.

    Much luck and much love to you.

  • Sammy3
    Sammy3 Member Posts: 136
    edited December 2015

    thanks so much for that quick reply. I am still going to see the 2nd oncologist next week, which again means that I am going to probably start the week of 12/14 instead of 12/7. I guess I just want to be sure that they think the same thing. It sounds like for Her2+ that is pretty standard though.
    Since we are all using that same combination, I have been reading your experiences on how your body handled the side effects. Sounds to me like days 5-10 were the worst each round, with diarrhea and bone pain from the Neulasta being bad. Oh, and I know I am going to lose my hair which at this point is the least of my worries :) I guess I just want to know that I am not going to be stuck in my house for 18 weeks and that I can be somewhat functional for my kids. It helps so much knowing that you have experience that I can learn from.

  • Sammy3
    Sammy3 Member Posts: 136
    edited December 2015

    Also, how scared should I be about the heart side effects?

  • rleepac
    rleepac Member Posts: 755
    edited December 2015

    I did 4 rounds of adrimyacin and cytoxan followed by 12 weekly Taxol and Herceptin - plus Perjeta was added in evey three weeks. Mine was done as neoadjuvant. However, my adjuvant treatment (after BMX) is Herceptin but not Perjeta because the insurance won't authorize adjuvant Perjeta.

    Yes, you can do surgery on Herceptin. I've done 2 surgeries now and still do Herceptin every 3 weeks.

    Good luck

  • rosesrx
    rosesrx Member Posts: 458
    edited December 2015

    Sammy, I was concerned about the toxic effects of H and have a long standing family history of heart problems. My baseline and every 3 month echo have maintained at 65% so no dose adjustments were needed. The shortness of breath and fatigue throughout chemo had me thinking otherwise. I think you will be surprised how much you can get done when loaded with steroids, especially the day before and 2-3days post chemo. While everyone responds differently, my worst days 5-7. The taster does come back about 2 months and my chemo brain rears it's ugly head when I am tired or stressed. I did work during chemo, but looked up everything before answering and triple checked calculations. My energy is coming back.

    Like rleepac said no P if adjuvant, insurance won't approve. Things change so you have to keep current with your info. Or let the MO deals with the details.

  • runningcello
    runningcello Member Posts: 110
    edited December 2015

    hey everyone, it's been a while since I've been on here. Just wanted to share some wonderful news: had my biyearly mammogram and MRI and no signs of cancer! I am finally a 1 year cancer survivor as of November 10! It was a nice milestone to reach. I am just about finished with my first semester of graduate school and praying for normalcy

  • rosesrx
    rosesrx Member Posts: 458
    edited December 2015

    Happy dance for you runningcello, it does feel good to have a routine and live.

  • Suladog
    Suladog Member Posts: 952
    edited December 2015

    I'm having my last herceptin next Friday. I was treated at UCSF and they did 12 wks taxol/ herceptin then herceptin alone for the rest of the year. Scheduled to get my port out the week after that. I'. Small and basically it sticks out like doorknob and you can see the whole dang thing through my skin. I'm glad to have had it because 25 yrs ago I did 8 mid of chemo without it just in my arm but boy... I really can't stand it , can't sleep on that side without it hurting... And it just creeps me out since it's definitely not subtle.

  • Amstar15
    Amstar15 Member Posts: 41
    edited December 2015

    Sammy3

    at first my wife's MO said that she was going to do ACT route.. but then due to her age he switched her to the TCH route. With that being said... I remember asking him all kinds of what ifs, what side effects etc etc. Her MO said we will deal with those as they come.. instead of instantly prescribing stuff he wanted to see how she reacted. She took her nausea pills the first few days after chemo --- took peptide AC for heartburn. The side effects she had were very manageable (ACNE -- MO gave a cream that cleared it right up -- Low white blood count - nuelasta shot (take Claritin and aleve the day of and after to help with the side effects --- mouth sores - he prescribed a mouth wash). Heart issues --- there will be scans of your heart before you start treatment and after a few of your treatments to make sure that nothing is happening to you heart...

    What I am trying to say is -- try not to worry to much (easier said then done I know) and play it day by day and work closely with your MO -- they have lots of tricks to help you get through side effects.

    Also as others have said about surgeries.. wife is on Herceptin treatments now.. she has her expander/implant exchange on Tuesday (Dec 8th) and there is no issues with still going through treatment.

    Hang in there --- you will do great... one day at a time -- take on each challenge as they come not as they enter your mind

    RUNNINGCELL: that is great news--- cant wait till my wife gets there and things will settle down

  • CyndiNic
    CyndiNic Member Posts: 59
    edited December 2015

    Congratulations runningcello - that is wonderful news!!!!!

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited December 2015

    Sammy3

    I found that keeping active (powerwalking) really helped keep the side effects away. Do what you can but for most of us it's not as bad as what you see on TV. I actually had no nausea. Never used any of the nausea pills.

  • keepsake
    keepsake Member Posts: 59
    edited March 2016

    Good morning, everyone. I recently completed surgery, am headed toward beginning my Herceptin and chemo treatments realitively soon, and searching the boards to find others with my stage Her2 positive cancer who are/were on the same regimen that is recommended for me and could share their experience

    First, I have early stage 1A, triple positive IDC and am recovering from my BMX with TE placement surgery. I like my MO, who is well-respected and practices at a first-rate NCI-recommended hospital. My MO recommends the regimen combining Herceptin and Navelbine for me. If I'm correct, Navelbine seems to be a "lighter" chemo (i.e., no S/Es of hair loss or neuropathy), which MO said has been a traditional chemo for lung cancer and used very successfully with Stage IV breast cancer patients. Dana Farber conducted a single arm study with women who had similar small early stage HER2 positive tumors as I have, who did well on this regimen according to MO. I haven't seen anyone else posting on the boards with HER2 positive cancer at my stage who were on this regimen. Hormonal treatment will follow this treatment, as is usual for us triple positives.

    Should I start a new thread or am I in the right place to post my questions about others like me on this regimen?

    Thanks.


  • JerseyGirl22
    JerseyGirl22 Member Posts: 342
    edited December 2015

    Surgery went well on Monday. I'm sorry it took my a bit to get online... I had Facebook while in hospital and was able to post to a couple of you, but couldn't get to the BSO site on my phone. I was trying my best to follow doctors orders and rest (hard for me!) while in hospital. I was up and walking around Monday night after surgery, and I took the meds they gave me in hospital as they made me do it... However, it was fine and it counteracted and got ahead of any pain twinges that may have wanted to start.

    On the mend and feeling really good! Only minor discomfort, very little pain...


  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited December 2015

    jersey - yay!  Good for you!

  • Moonflwr912
    Moonflwr912 Member Posts: 6,856
    edited December 2015

    Keepsake, yes you belong on Triple Positive board, welcome. Other helpful boards for you would be a starting chemo December 2015 or January 2016. Everybody is going through the same SEs and worries you are at the same times. Even if your SEs are not the same it's just good to know people understand.

    The same once you learn your chemo treatment. If it TCHP or ACT. There again people can help because they kinda know what you're dealing with.

    You could also try your stage board. I believe there is a Stage one board. Sorry I can't post links.

    All that said, sorry you had to come here, but welcome. We try to answer your questions. There are so many women on this board who have so much info!


  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited December 2015

    keepsake - I think you are correct that there don't seem to be many early stagers on Navelbine, most I have seen have done 12 weekly Taxol plus Herceptin for a similarly staged tumor.  To gather some info you could post about Navelbine questions on this thread:

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/8/topics/783594?page=106#post_4570348

    It is populated with some stage IV ladies who potentially have more Navelbine experience, but possibly not with the Herceptin added.  I think this regimen is new enough that you may not find others with similar stats to you posting yet.  Wishing you the best - and you can always stay here too!  Some of the side effects of chemo are similar regardless of the drug so the folks here can also help, and we all have Herceptin info.

  • keepsake
    keepsake Member Posts: 59
    edited March 2016

    Thanks Moonflwr912 and SpecialK. What's on my mind is being concerned about not being prescribed the standard protocol of Taxol plus Herceptin. The comparative efficacy of the Herceptin Navelbine regimen, not the differences among S/Es, is my concern. Like all of us, I want the best chance of preventing a recurrence whatever regimen it takes. And not seeing anyone else in Stage 1 on first course Herceptin/Navelbine concerns me.

    Guess I'm concerned that the "tried-and-true" standard protocol was not recommended for me. I have no co-morbidities. Maybe MO is trying to spare me from the harsher meds given that chemo may be over-kill/over-treatment for us with an early stage, small HER2 positive tumor. We have no way yet of knowing which of us in this small subset would definitely benefit from any type chemo, as I understand it. Chemo's a crap shoot. Just want to take the best shot!

  • Kthielen
    Kthielen Member Posts: 194
    edited December 2015

    running cello, congrats!! That's awesome news!! I am about 5 months ahead of you....lets keep hoping for NED

    Sammy3, It's all so overwhelming at first. I actually met with 3 oncologists and went with the treatment plan that 2 of them had recommended(which was TCHP). You should have an echo(ultrasound of your heart) every 3 months to keep an eye on your heart. I finished Herceptin Feb. 2015 and never had any heart problems. I totally agree with Amstar15 and try to take it a day at a time. Believe me, I know it's easier said than done. Everyone is different and responds different to the treatments but for me I had nausea, horrible dry mouth and yucky taste in my mouth for the first week or so, was really difficult to eat(I lost 10 pounds during treatment and really didn't need to lose any), had horrible rash/acne on my face and scalp(it was painful) my MO did prescribe a topical antibiotic gel that helped so much!, diarrhea(bad, like having to run to the bathroom to make it there in time), heavy/sore legs....it was the wierdest thing, if I bent down to get something I could barley stand up after, dry skin. PM me if you would like suggestions on things I did to help with these things! I was not stuck at home, I actually continued to work(although I am part time and only work 2 days a week). I would work Mon and Tues, have treatment on Wednesday then work the following Thurs and Friday(so had a week off after chemo). I have three kids(at the time they were 11, 10 and 6) and I did everything that I did before, my husband was amazing and if I was tired I would rest or go to bed early but never missed a function, practice or game(they are all very busy with activities). I did everything in my power to make things as normal as possible for my kids.

    I wish you the best and the women on this site are AMAZING!! If you have a question about anything don't hesitate to ask!

    Kath

  • Sammy3
    Sammy3 Member Posts: 136
    edited December 2015

    Thank you so much everyone - you are making me feel better. I am having the port placed Monday (also the echo before that). Then I am going ahead and starting on Wednesday. I will take it one day at a time and keep very close lines of communication with my MO. Thank you!!!!

  • Tresjoli2
    Tresjoli2 Member Posts: 868
    edited December 2015

    I have my 6 month check up with my breast surgeon on Friday next week. I'm a nervous wreck. I don't know why...I just finished treatment and the odds of the cancer being back already have got to be really low. But the thought of another mammogram is extremely anxiety provoking for some reason. :-(

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited December 2015

    running - yay!

    Tres - finishing the most active treatment phase is an anxiety provoking time and people commonly experience trepidation - you feel like you're not doing enough to keep the cancer away, and you are not as all consumed with coping with treatment so your mind goes to the future, etc. To have a mammo on top of that just makes all that worse, but try not to worry

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited December 2015

    keepsake I had a friend with advanced staged cancer (HER2+ only) that did Navelbine. It's a great treatment because there are less side effects from what I hear. I do believe it might be newer and more expensive or possibly not tested on early stage so it isn't given as first choice unless there is an issue. Insurance doesn't want to pay. But that was a few years ago so things may have changed

  • Tresjoli2
    Tresjoli2 Member Posts: 868
    edited December 2015

    I've never had a good mammo lol. No clue what that's like. Maybe it's post traumatic stress

  • Bliss58
    Bliss58 Member Posts: 1,154
    edited December 2015

    @keepsake, I think you and @lago could be right about the Herceptin/Navelbine combo. Because of the ACA (Obamacare), insurance companies may now be paying for Navelbine where they wouldn't before because of expense. It also could be that your MO has seen studies that say it's just as effective on early stage BC and thinks since you are so early stage that "the standard" would be overkill for you and is trying to save you from more adverse SEs.

    @jerseygirl, so glad to hear from you and that your surgery went well.

    Best wishes to all.


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