Mastectomy advice needed....

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edwsmom
edwsmom Member Posts: 346

Hi there,

I'd love to bounce my situation off of some others who have been there/done that to see what you might think.

I've been doing adjuvant chemo (TCHP) and I'm nearly done so I'm working toward making a surgical decision.

I'm 43. I have an occult breast cancer (meaning they can't find the primary) with involvement in one lymph node (it was detected via mammogram by seeing the effected/enlarged lymph node). I have a family history of BC - my maternal aunt and her daughter both have had breast cancer. My cousin (who had a mastectomy several years ago) has now had a recurrence with mets. They both were dx in their 40s as well.

When I met at first with the breast surgeon, she presented two choices - axillary dissection with radiation OR mastectomy and axillary dissection with radiation. She felt strongly that there's no difference in outcome between the two choices and felt that a mastectomy wasn't necessary. My oncologist disagreed with her and has shared that she thinks I should have the mastectomy.

Since then, I received my genetic test results back. It was positive for a "variant of unknown significance" called BRIP1.

Due to the unusual circumstances of my occult cancer, I sought out a second opinion with another BS. She felt strongly that there was definitely something genetic going on due to my family history and the young age at dx. Due to those factors, she recommended that I should have bilateral mastectomy to reduce the chance of getting cancer later in the second breast.

Today I met with my original BS to share the genetic test results and talk about what surgery I should have. She feels that we don't know enough about the BRIP1 to have it impact a surgical decision at this time. She didn't seem influenced by my family history. She still thinks I could just do axillary dissection/radiation only, but understands if I want to do the mastectomy. I brought up the bilateral mastectomy recommendation and she felt that it's unnecessary, discouraged me from going there. Ultimately left it in my hands to decide.

I'm stumped. Part of me wants to go ahead and do the bilateral mastectomy for peace of mind. The other part of me would love to avoid such a big surgery if possible. Then again I'm afraid to not be as aggressive as possible in dealing with this. The other factor is should I stick with my current BS or seek to have the second opinion doctor for surgery?

Any thoughts appreciated...

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  • pboi
    pboi Member Posts: 663
    edited December 2015

    Hi edwsmom...this is such a difficult decision I know. I just wanted to share my experience. I had DCIS/IDC so initially had right mastectomy with axillary dissection. I'm 43 too and then found out I was BRIP1 positive with the variant of unknown significance. There is very little known but they suspect it could increase your risk of breast and ovarian cancer. I choose then to have a prophylactic left mastectomy and oophorectomy. I wanted to be as aggressive as possible. The oophorectomy also allowed me to take the AIs which I wanted to do.

    PB

  • edwsmom
    edwsmom Member Posts: 346
    edited December 2015

    Hi PB

    Thanks for responding. I'm leaning toward BMX at this point. I believe that I'm going to be on ovarian suppression for several years after surgery so I'm wondering what impact that will have on my ovaries. I mean, can I do that and maybe do an oophorectomy later? Will ovarian suppression have a protective effect with regard to ovarian cancer?

  • pboi
    pboi Member Posts: 663
    edited December 2015

    If you do OS I don't know what impact it will have on your ovaries. I did do OS for 4 months before my oophorectomy. I couldn't have surgery right away and wanted to start the AI. I didn't like getting the Lupron shot, I didn't feel right after each shot and got very bloated and fatigued. So it's possible to have side effects. Plus it was a pain to go in monthly for my shots. I don't believe OS protects you from ovarian cancer, I think it just stops the ovaries from functioning. This is why I had the oophorectomy as soon as I could, to eliminate the possibility of ovarian cancer.

    You can definitely try the OS first and see how you do with the menopausal symptoms and then do the oophorectomy later, if you choose to.

    PB

  • rleepac
    rleepac Member Posts: 755
    edited December 2015

    It's a very personal decision but I am also 43, Stage IIb, and triple positive but negative on any genetic components. I opted for BMX. Fortunately, my tumor was up near the axilla so they could do a total skin-sparing MX and I got to keep my nipples. The BS did make it very clear initially that she felt chemo, LX and rads would have been fine and BMX wasn't necessary but after I made my decision, she was very respectful of it.

    So I did chemo and BMX and didn't need rads. It has given me comfort knowing that I've done everything I could to fight this beast and prevent its rerun. Now only time will tell.

    Hope this helps!

    Bekah

  • Twirp26
    Twirp26 Member Posts: 178
    edited December 2015

    rleepac, I just read your post. I just started my first chemo treatment on December 2nd. I need neoadjuvent therapy before surgery. I have cancer in my left breast, with lymph node involvement. my right breast is clear except several small cysts. I'm pretty certain I want to have a mastectomy. I do not have family history and my genetic test came back negative. My BC seems pretty conservative. I just wanted to see if you had cancer in the other breast or did you decide to just take them both for peace of mind? I am really leaning this way but have no idea if it would be covered by insurance or if I would have to pay out of pocket. I know I don't want to do this again, I feel like I would sleep better knowing i was aggressive in my treatment. I'm trying to find out from women who have done this before. Thanks!!!

  • Crescent5
    Crescent5 Member Posts: 442
    edited December 2015

    Hi edwsmom, you've already made your decision =) It's what your gut's been telling you. I once heard a dr say there are 2 kinds of women with BC ... those who just want both breasts gone and those who will fight to keep 'em.

    But truly, you need to be sure. You need to find out what's out there for reconstruction options if you go that route or what life could be like with no breasts what-so-ever.

    Should you choose to keep your breasts, what will monitoring be like? How often will you be checked? Can you deal with that?

    I chose PBM when I was high risk. It turned out my cancer was found then. I know appearance-wise, I have a great rack. But I do miss the feeling (I can feel touch to the skin but not nipples). Once in a great while, I'll think, "I would do anything to have my breasts back," but then I see my son doing well in school and in sports. I see what I could very well have missed, and having natural boobies is nothing compared to seeing my son grow up.

    Cancer is so cruel, but you can take the lead here. Whatever choice you make will be the absolute right one for you. You have the power =)

    Best of luck!

  • rleepac
    rleepac Member Posts: 755
    edited December 2015

    I had cancer in the right breast and I chose a prophylactic left breast MX for peace of mind. Insurance should cover it...there was a law passed several years back that said that both breasts are to be treated as one organ so for peace of mind, symmetry, etc...it should be covered. Hope that helps!

    FWIW...so far, I don't regret me decision.


  • exercise_guru
    exercise_guru Member Posts: 716
    edited December 2015

    edwsmom

    Such a hard decision you are facing. I have shared my story on the Chemo thread. I think the concern I would have is the "unknown primary" Does your BS have a strategy as to getting clear margins on this? For example if you had a mastectomy they would analyze the whole breast? How would they find clear margins with a lumpectomy?

    I am just not familiar with this kind of cancer in the breast. I also have PALB2 and the research is still developing as is the case with BRIP1. That being said you still are on the young side so that factors in as well.

    I originally really wanted to save my breasts. I couldn't because my right breast was full of DCIS ..In surgery they found out I had two IDC tumors that did not show up on Mamograms or with a stereotactic biopsy. I did not have a MRI so I Can't say if that would have showed the IDC.

    I think some MO's see a younger lady and tend to suggest a BMX and an OO because they want to be overcautious. It is a huge commitment and a lot to face. I very much considered doing Lupron for six months before deciding on an OO. There are many women that the side effects of Menopause are just too hard to to deal with and the Lupron is reversible. It doesn't prevent ovarian cancer though.

  • edwsmom
    edwsmom Member Posts: 346
    edited December 2015

    Hi Exercise,

    Yes, I'm leaning toward BMX, but I'm struggling with why my current BS is asking me to rethink it and just do a single mastectomy. She thinks BMX is unncessary. Both the BS I went to for a second opinion and my oncologist were adamant that I should do BMX due to the BRIP1 and my young age. I have an appointment with the plastic surgeon before Christmas and will raise this with him as well.

    My thinking is that I'm only 43, who knows what the BRIP1 will mean when they know more about it and with my unknown primary they don't know where in the breast the cancer originated. I also have dense breasts and nothing showed up on my mammograms until it was in my node...so I don't trust mammograms as a screening tool anymore.

    My BS is saying I should do mammogram on the affected side just in case and an axillary dissection on the nodes to remove any impacted. Then they would send all the breast tissue for analysis. My thought is why not remove the other breast as well? I think the BRIP1 will increase my likelihood of recurrence, so why risk it?

    I guess I'm disappointed that my BS disagrees with the route I want to take and didn't think the BRIP1 was a big deal. I'm tempted to go have the surgery with the other BS, but I'm worried that will complicate things if I want to keep my other treatments and the initial hospital (the second opinion BS is at a different local hospital). Both hospitals are very well respected here in DC.


  • exercise_guru
    exercise_guru Member Posts: 716
    edited December 2015

    BMX vs uni and things I considered when I was facing this:

    I think if your original BS has strong credentials and is committed to getting clean margins then she will understand your decision and allow/perform a BMX so please don't let that worry you. Both surgeons will honor your decision if they are professional as I am sure they are.

    There has been an influx of women( especiallly young women choosing BMX) I think many breast surgeons are aware of that and it may just be hospital policy to discourage bilateral when unilateral is just fine.

    I actually went with a BS in my cancer team and went outside of my team for a plastic surgeon. There was no hard feelings and they had worked together in the past and worked well together for my treatment. The Plastic Surgeon on my team did not do the nipple reconstruction that I wanted and also was only a year out of med school. that did not inspire me with confidence.

    An important thing to ask everyone is radiation and reconstruction. Its important to get an idea what your timeline would be with node involvement. Also would you do implant surgery or wait until everything healed and radiation then start the process( both have merits). Then there is the whole question of doing other reconstruction options using your own body fat etc. You live in a large metro area so you have access to very skilled PS and a lot of options. Its hard to be in this position but I had a close BS friend remind me that I am the customer and I needed to be strong and advocate to get the best results for myself. She also told me that just because a surgeon says something can't be done doesn't mean it can't. It just means it is not their specialty.

    If you do both at once it is easier to have both breasts match but the down side is you have very little sensation in your breasts and none in your new nipples. With only going on one side you would still have feeling in your other breast which may be very important to you. Also Many women really want to keep their breast. In my case I didn't want to remove one breast and have a large lump out of the other one. In the beginning If I had the choice I would have tried to save both breasts and my nipples.

    Also I doubt the recovery is that different for a single vs a double Mastectomy but emotionally it might be very hard. I can say that I was pretty sad to see my chest with just lumps in it after surgery. I still miss my breasts. It is so hard to come to terms with. I have read there is an amazing tattoo expert for nipples in Baltimore. Lots of women here go there and maybe it isn't too far for you. I am on the other side of the country.

    About the GENE unfortunately for me my MO feels they are 10-20 years from getting the data I would need to make the decision with all factors known. This is especially true for the OO. It is a stinky situation to be in.

    It might be a good idea to record your doctors appts so you can go back over the information. It is so hard to remember everything. I use boldbeast recorder on my cell phone.

    Sorry to throw so much information at you. I am looking back at having to make that decision and found it very hard. If you need someone to talk to on the phone and share your ideas with and just listen or hear what their experience is then please pm me. I can send you my phone number.


    Whatever you decide will be a good decision. You are just trying to think things through and understand what your choices are. Your doctors and surgeons will honor and respect that or they are not the right doctors.

    I do understand how hard it is to have doctors disagree on treatment. I was just dumbfounded when the gyno MO recommended that I have an OO. It was largely because of the GENE not the breast cancer. Another Gyno MO had a different opinion that we don't know enough about PALB2 yet. Then my BC MO was mixed. He very much wanted to put me on Arimidex but was ok with Lupron or OO. These are decisions are very very tough.

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