Worried IBC - all scans clear - can I push for a biopsy?

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Griffithgirl
Griffithgirl Member Posts: 8
edited December 2015 in Waiting for Test Results

Hi everyone,

A little over two weeks ago I developed a sharp pain in my breast, it's on the outter top quadrant of my right breast. When it bounces the wrong way it feels like it's being ripped off. It's also tender to the touch and slightly swollen, and has an area of slight discoloration above the nipple, almost like the nipple is spreading upwards.

Had diagnostic mammo & ultrasound, and CBC - everything is all clear. Dr did some brain racking and came up with possible Mondors disease. I'm taking antiinflammatories but it's not helping the pain wearing two bra's helps though!

Anyway - I'm going for a second opinion at a cancer center close to me they do a multidisciplinary review (I guess a bunch of docs meet and discuss my situation). My apt is for 12/7. This may sound weird, but I'm glad it's over a week away, hopefully my boob will either get better - and my doc's diagnosis of Mondors is correct - or it'll get worse and I'll have more pronounced symptoms for the new docs to look at.

My question to you all is, I know my body, I know something is wrong. If they say, "Let's wait and see." Can I tell them I want a biopsy to rule out IBC? I know IBC is very rare, I also know it's very aggressive, and worry that if I do have IBC, and they miss it...well, I don't want to be one of those "I'm sorry we missed it the first time" patients.

All advice is welcome, and thanks in advance!

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  • inks
    inks Member Posts: 746
    edited November 2015

    When you get your second opinion hopefully that doctor has seen IBC before and can comment on the symptoms you are having. If it was me and the second opinion doctor would tell that it's not cancer I would leave it alone. Biopsy leaves scars and maybe later on mammograms would be not clear. And you are right IBC is very agressive and the symptoms do not get better but worsen very quickly but it would be very unlikely that a specialist would still misdagnose IBC after symptoms have been present for 3 weeks. Something is obviously wrong with your breast and hopefully the specialist can spread some light onto what's going on.

  • Griffithgirl
    Griffithgirl Member Posts: 8
    edited November 2015

    Thank you inks! I didn't know about biopsy scars and how they could effect future mammograms - excellent point.

    I hate over-worrying things, and I think you're right, if the specialists say not to worry, I should probably take them at their word.

  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited November 2015

    'Something' is 'going on' and you definately do need to find out what it is.

    There are many possibilities for what you describe that have nothing to do with ANY type of BC. We are not medical personnel who are seeing you so can NOT tell you what you have going on.

    I am IBC and NEVER had pain or any discolored skin in the 24 days from first presentation until I started neoadjuvant Chemo. It was a week from presentation til I got my DX and it had definitely progressed in that time. In the 17 days til starting Chemo, it had majorly progressed BUT never had any pain or 'discoloration'. There are no 'set in stone' rules that IBC (or any issue) has to follow and not all of us have the same experiences.

    It does take a biopsy to diagnose IBC. But there has to be at least a suspicious area (not some random area) to know where to biopsy. Not all biopsies leave scars. FNBs (Fine Needle Biopsy) are a needle put in - not an area cut open leaving a 'scar'.

    Do find out what is going on but do not jump to unfounded conclusions prematurely.

    Added - an MRI might be a 'next step'.


  • Griffithgirl
    Griffithgirl Member Posts: 8
    edited November 2015

    Thanks Kicks. I know there are plenty of non-breast cancer things that could be wrong with my breast. I've got the Mondors diagnosis for now, and hopefully that's all it is. I was only wondering if a person could request a biopsy to rule out IBC. Thanks for responding and giving me your insight.

  • Kicks
    Kicks Member Posts: 4,131
    edited November 2015

    You can ask for a biopsy but there needs to be a suspicious area to biopsy. You said that your mammo and US showed no area of concern so no way to know where to try a biopsy.

    It's great to say 'want a biopsy' but for a biopsy to 'work', there has to be a particular area to check. A breast is a large area and the entire area does not have what needs to be checked for. In other words, there has to be a limited area to check. It takes getting the right area to biopsy to 'rule in'/'rule out' anything.

    From what I have read/heard, while there are a very few who do experience pain with BC, pain is most often associated with nonmalignant issus.

    Do find out what is going on'.

  • Griffithgirl
    Griffithgirl Member Posts: 8
    edited November 2015

    There is a specific area of concern, and it's actually getting more specific by the day. I can pinpoint where the pain is coming from, it's just that area didn't show anything on the ultrasound. My gyn's diagnosis of Mondor's was pretty much a stab in the dark because my symptoms don't match anything else (no infection) that they could come up with, and they're good with me going for a second at the cancer center.

    I am nervous because I have read that IBC can indeed present with a sudden onset of pain. I've had the pain for 2.5 wks now....the weird area above my nipple has now shown itself to be a vein that is swollen, and directly underneath that vein, on the outside circle of my nipple is super sore/tender to the touch...and over the last day the tip of my nipple has started to turn bright pink/red.

    I've got next to no clue how many possible things could be wrong with my boob - hell, it might be vascular for all I know. 7 days until my appointment, and like I said in my original post, I hope my symptoms either go away and it's nothing, or they become more pronounced so the docs at the center have more to go on. I'd just super-duper like to rule out IBC and/or anything that's really bad.

  • 614
    614 Member Posts: 851
    edited November 2015

    Why don't you trust your doctors diagnosis of Mondor's?

  • ChiSandy
    ChiSandy Member Posts: 12,133
    edited November 2015

    Might it be vasculitis?

  • Griffithgirl
    Griffithgirl Member Posts: 8
    edited November 2015

    My doc and nurse practitioner came up with Mondors because after my clear mammo & US, she brought to his attention that I'm still having pretty severe pain. He said that he remember once hearing about a disorder that causes breast pain and they spent a couple of hours "pouring over medical books" and he remembered that it was Mondor's. The only symptom I have for Mondor's is pain - and who knows, it could be Mondor's, I hope it is, but I feel the need to have it checked out by a breast specialist, and I'd really like any type of cancer ruled out. I happen to have a very good cancer clinic close to me and rather than try to find a breast doc who may or may not be good I figured I'd just cut to the chase and go to the best place around.

    I've been through a lot with doctors over time, for other issues. I have a frontal sinus mucocele that was found on an MRI. I went to a "fantastic" ENT practice, was told I needed immediate surgery, spent $10K on the surgery, only to find out in my follow up that the "fantastic" surgeon didn't get it all and he said he wouldn't blame me if I got a second opinion. So I went to the university hospital in the next city over, to be told by their Cleveland Clinic trained top ENT, that I never needed the surgery in the first place and probably wouldn't ever need it. Not like you guys needed to know all that, but my point is, I've learned just to go to the best place possible right off the bat, instead of running around and possibly get the wrong diagnosis.

    I've never heard of vasculitus (sp?), I'll have to look it up. And thanks for thinking of it. I'm sure there are many things I don't know about that aren't cancer related that could definitely be the issue.



  • 614
    614 Member Posts: 851
    edited December 2015

    I agree with going to the best medical center possible.  That is why I went to M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, TX even though I live in Florida. 

    I did not know what Mondor's was.  Thanks for clarifying. 

    I can certainly sympathize with the tragic medical situation that you needlessly endured.  I had an incorrect surgery once myself. 

    I wish you the best of luck in diagnosing the problem and treating it.  I hope that this gets resolved quickly.

    The not knowing and being in pain is awful.

  • Griffithgirl
    Griffithgirl Member Posts: 8
    edited December 2015

    I live in Florida too, and I used to live in Texas (Ft. Worth)! I live in St. Pete and am going over to Moffitt in Tampa for my appointment next week.

    I'm glad for anyone who has been treated at MD Anderson, I understand they are the best. I hope you are well, and thanks for corresponding with me 😊

  • alicki
    alicki Member Posts: 661
    edited December 2015

    hello,

    I second going to md Anderson. I sent them my Scans and I live in Europe. Also went to top notch breast surgeon in GB because going to U.S. For medical assessment is s paperwork nightmare fornon us citizens even if y have cash.

    Do whatever it takes you to get peace of mind. I had a lymphatic blockage that made my breast swel. The top notch in GB cleared me in two weeks but. It took. The local hospital 12 months to be sure and I had sytomes.

    I found out later that I have florid fibrocystic changes...

    Anyways good luck

  • 614
    614 Member Posts: 851
    edited December 2015

    People go to M.D. Anderson Cancer Center from all around the world.  It is and incredible place.  the doctors are fantastic and so competent.

    I just had an mammo, lung x-ray, MRI, sonogram, and a biopsy all in one day.  The results from everything except my biopsy were typed up and ready for my appointment the next day at 9:00 am.  That is truly amazing. 

    I just got the results but I have not spoken with my doctor yet.  Atypical Lobular Hyperplasia with Focal Microcalcifications was detected.   I do not have the pathology report yet so I do not know the size.  I asked the doctor how large the "non-mass" area looked on the ultrasound when she was reimaging to get ready for my biopsy and she said that it appeared to be 1.3 X 1.6cm.

  • Griffithgirl
    Griffithgirl Member Posts: 8
    edited December 2015

    Did you get the results of your biopsy yet

  • 614
    614 Member Posts: 851
    edited December 2015

    I do not have a copy of my pathology report yet.  However, my RO at M.D. Anderson Cancer Center told me that I have Atypical Lobular Hyperplasia with Focal Micro Calcifications.  He said that this is benign and that the Arimidex/Anastrazole should prevent this from becoming a malignancy.   He told me to, "Stay away from doctors" and to come back next year for my next MRI.  I also have Stromal Fibrosis but that is due to the radiation and is no big deal.  ALH is a big deal but with the Anastrazole, it should not be a problem for me.

    My cousin was diagnosed with DCIS approximately 1 month ago.  She had a lumpectomy and she got her results on Wed.  I received my results on Monday.  The lumpectomy for the DCIS went well and she had clear margins.  However, they also found ALH.  They are recommending a mastectomy for her or another lumpectomy and then radiation and tamoxifen.  I would think that she would have had the radiation and tamoxifen along with the lumpectomy for her DCIS.  She will be going to a Medical Oncologist and ask the MO's opinion.

    I don't know, but I think that my ALH was much bigger than my cousins because mine measured 1.3cm X 1.6cm.  She does not know the size of hers but her DCIS was 4 mm.  The ALH was an incidental finding from the surgery so I don't think that they know how big it is. I think that is why they are recommending additional surgery???

    It is interesting how 2 people can have the exact same diagnosis yet doctors can recommend totally different treatment plans. 

    I feel very lucky and very relieved.

    I have my next appointment with my MO on 12/14/15 and that appointment was scheduled in September.  I am looking forward to discussing this with her too.  I am sure that she will concur with my RO.

    Thanks for asking.

  • 614
    614 Member Posts: 851
    edited December 2015

    Dear Griffithgirl:

    I hope that your appointments at Moffit go well this week.  Moffit is an excellent cancer center.  I wish you the best in advance.

    Good luck.

  • Griffithgirl
    Griffithgirl Member Posts: 8
    edited December 2015

    I'm finding that different doctors can have a big variation in opinion of how to handle situations. I wish that wasn't so. Did your cousin go to MD Anderson too?

    My appointment at Moffitt was a bit of a cluster. One radiologist who read my original mammogram put in his notes that he wanted another mammo. But I guess the nurse practitioner that I saw didn't see that, she only wanted another ultrasound. So all I had was a second ultrasound - which showed a couple of cysts - in both boobs, but the radiologist said she didn't think they would be the cause of my pain. She also ruled out the Mondor's diagnosis because the vein that I have that is inflammed has good blood flow through it.

    They didn't see anything cancer related on the ultrasound, so I guess I'm just going to go with that. I still have the pain, I still have the swollen vein...I think the next step is vascular. But at least the didn't see anything cancerous.

  • 614
    614 Member Posts: 851
    edited December 2015

    Dear Griffithgirl:

    That is good news.  Congratulations.  I am so happy for you that there is no cancer. I wish that they could figure out why you are in pain and treat it.  Very frustrating.  Good luck with reducing your pain.

    My cousin lives in Manhattan so she is going to Sloane Kettering Cancer Center.

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