Starting Chemo in October 2015

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  • igay1ord
    igay1ord Member Posts: 193
    edited November 2015

    jclc...you're not the only one here! I've been reading all the posted comments, but I just haven't had the time/energy to post anything this week since I've been trying to play catch-up at work. I was also bloated really bad this past week, along with diarrhea. When I went to my MO this week, I had lost 6 lbs in 7 days, which I'm not concerned about since I've gained 20 lbs when I was diagnosed in July and started stress eating! Does anyone else really have issues with food right now? It seems that sweet things are now too sweet, and I have to be really careful cooking and using spices! Since my taste is off, I seem to either over-season or not season enough! My poor husband has been wonderful and only complained once! Too much garlic he said!

    Livingthis...I do have the bone pain from the Neulasta shots. That's part of the reason I haven't been on this week. My shot last Friday just did me in on Sunday/Monday! Well, that and the fatigue was really bad this treatment. All my joints/thigh bones/shin bones felt like I had the flu or growing pains! They just ached and, of course, the weather really didn't help either. It's been gray and rainy here in Georgia the last few days.

  • Artista928
    Artista928 Member Posts: 2,753
    edited November 2015

    Popping in from Sept... Take regular otc Claritin with Tylenol the day of and for a few days after chemo to not have achy bones from Neulasta.

  • igay1ord
    igay1ord Member Posts: 193
    edited November 2015

    Artista...I start taking Claritin 24 hrs before the shot and all the way through for at least 3-4 days, but the pain still gets me!

    Quick question...has anyone developed folliculitis on your scalp? Mine just made its appearance this morning. It's just red bumps that are kind of sore, but not itchy, which itchy seems to be the major point of folliculitis.

  • Artista928
    Artista928 Member Posts: 2,753
    edited November 2015

    Dang, sorry to hear. All tylenol to each Claritin dose and see if it doesn't help (not Claritin D). Try rubbing organic coconut oil on your head. It's a natural anti-inflammatory. They say don't just shave your head but to leave some on to help prevent this.

  • ncsue927
    ncsue927 Member Posts: 57
    edited November 2015

    I had very severe bone pain with the first neupogen shot, but none since. I take Zyrtec every day for allergies and my MO says that is why I don't have the pain. Could be.

    Food is a real problem. Nothing tastes good. I have the very strong metallic taste in my mouth. I use plastic utensils most of the time to try to fight that. I've had issues with mouth sores that has prevented me from eating much of anything, but I think I've finally moved past that. I try to eat small meals all day, that way I don't get too discouraged that it doesn't taste good. I had a chocolate shake from Chic Fil A the other day and it was awesome!! Sometimes I just hit on something that tastes good!

    I was a little bloated this week also, but I figure that is probably due to the steroids and it will drop back off next week when I am too tired to eat. My off weeks are my bad weeks. My white count drops and I find it hard to get off the couch. I make myself eat and drink and that is about it. The neupogen shots eventually get me back up to where I can get my next treatment, but it is a week long process.

    Hang in there everyone!!!

  • igay1ord
    igay1ord Member Posts: 193
    edited November 2015

    ncsue...I completely understand about the chocolate shake! I had my 2nd chemo treatment on the 4th, and on the 7th I told my husband that I had found only 3 things that tasted normal to me...my Starbucks Mocha Frappucino, a glass of milk with ice cubes and a bowl of vanilla/chocolate ice cream! Don't know why, but for some reason milk products, eggs and bread are the only things that taste normal!

  • Smurfette26
    Smurfette26 Member Posts: 730
    edited November 2015

    This morning has definitely been my worst since starting chemo.

    Food is really a problem for me too ncsue927. I have been trying to "graze" all day and not get hungry but I couldn't manage any dinner last night. Even water doesn't want to go down.

    My mouth has not been too sore. I have been making my own mouthwash using a "recipe" my breast nurse gave me.

    Seems to be working.

    Feeling very fatigued this morning. Have to have my bloods checked on Wednesday. Suppose I will be given Neulasta if it's too low.

    I notice everyone says they take Claratyn/Bendryl type mixtures to help with bone pain but for those who take meds for High Blood Pressure; what do you do? I take BP meds and cold and flu type meds and antihistamines are not recommended.

  • Jclc83
    Jclc83 Member Posts: 246
    edited November 2015

    Smurfette I take Claritin ( generic it's cheaper) for five days straight along with Ibuprofen every six hours for five days too. I have minimal bone pain and kept those nasty headaches at bay. I have high blood pressure too. The dexamethasone has more effect on my BP than anything else.

  • biscuits
    biscuits Member Posts: 3,304
    edited November 2015

    Had my second Neulasta shot on Wednesday. I start taking Tylenol the day before and then twice a day, for a few days after the shot, and I am tolerating the injection well. The only thing I couldn't tolerate was seeing my insurance's EOB for my first Neulasta shot, which came in the mail today. The insurance company was being charged darn near $12,000.00 for one injection!!

  • Artista928
    Artista928 Member Posts: 2,753
    edited November 2015

    I used to work for a surgeon's office. Don't take Aleves and Ibuprofins (NSAIDS). These are blood thinners. If your platelet counts are low and one side effect of the med you are on could be bleeding, that's obviously not good. Take Tylenol. It doesn't thin the blood. We always told pts before their sxs to stop NSAIDS 3 days before and stay off of them after because of this.

  • Smurfette26
    Smurfette26 Member Posts: 730
    edited November 2015

    Thanks for the info Jclc83. Will have to ask my Dr about it. I prefer Ibuprofen but nurse says Paracetamol is better for me.

    Every professional seems to have a different opinion. Sigh. The steroids mess with my blood sugars.

    OMG biscuits; that's criminal. The greed of the big Pharma's sickens me. It's all about $$$ not people.

    So glad I don't get to see accounts like that here in Australia. Just go to the Cancer Centre or hospital, have the shot and sign a Medicare form. The insurance, billing side of it is a stress I don't need.



  • ncsue927
    ncsue927 Member Posts: 57
    edited November 2015

    Weird thing about my BP...I was on meds for high blood pressure and now my BP has been uncharacteristically low. I don't know if it's because of the chemo, the fact that I haven't had any caffeine since I started all this and I'm more hydrated than ever or the fact that I have been on medical leave and not working. This is indeed an interesting journey.

  • Infojunkie
    Infojunkie Member Posts: 2
    edited November 2015

    My MO prescribed Claritin D. I wonder why some say the D version and others say the other? I didn't have bone pain from the Neulasta shot on my first round of AC.

    On another note, my hair started falling out in clumps today. (Day 16) Between clients, I would pull as much hair as possible off my cardigan lol By evening it was looking much thinner. I put a hat on when running errands this evening.

  • Jclc83
    Jclc83 Member Posts: 246
    edited November 2015

    Arista although it's true about NSAIDs and aspirin being blood thinners, it is also true that Tylenol is bad for your liver. I was told never to take it. Chemo drugs elevate liver enzymes and I don't want to do any further damage to my liver.

  • TinaB71
    TinaB71 Member Posts: 17
    edited November 2015

    So girls, tomorrow started my second chemo. Yesterday hat my husband my hair cutted. My long hair- end . It is cold on my head.

    Let's see how tomorrow will. Many greetings to all and remains strong.

  • igay1ord
    igay1ord Member Posts: 193
    edited November 2015

    ncsue...and my BP has done the complete opposite! Mine has always been 115-120/77-80. Ever since my diagnosis, my BP runs 140/90! Can't quite figure it out. One of my MO nurses said I had "white coat syndrome"! LOL...makes sense!

  • LivingThis
    LivingThis Member Posts: 38
    edited November 2015

    My hair came out by the handful yesterday (day 10 after 2nd round of AC) so I went to the salon and had it buzzed. I didn't look as bad as I thought! It made me laugh. Maybe I should join the military now that my head is ready. Pity I am too old! 

      I put on my wig with a fedora hat over it and it felt secure and did not look half bad! I have a wonderful crocheted cap made by a family member and lots of sleep caps. Today I will try wig #2 - different style and color....just for fun! I might as well enjoy this phase...it is temporary...

    Lots of love and prayers to everyone in the group who is having a tough day. May tomorrow be better!

  • Andraxo
    Andraxo Member Posts: 410
    edited November 2015

    hi All!

    Confused Jclc83 - did you mean this blog? I try to read it daily if I can to catch up on every post, but don't always have something to post myself. I'm also working full time in between chemo and travel five hours each way to where I get my cancer care. Busy! Some days I can get on it a few times and some days I can't at all.

    Right now my mom and sister are visiting from over 2000 miles away. It's so nice to catch up with them - yay!! -especially since I usually only get to see them once per year!

    Interesting to read about everyone's blood pressure changes. I'm normally super low....90s over 50s and remain low through chemo. When I was having a bad allergic reaction after the first round of chemo my blood pressure was in the 80s over 40s.

    Aside from being neutropenic (super low white count), I've felt better this round without Neulasta. Fingers crossed my white count is climbing and I stay on schedule.

    Oh....and my insurance was charged $18,500 for one injection of neulasta, making one round of chemo + neukasta $29,000. Obscene!!! thankfulky I haven't had any out of pocket costs yet.

    Off to go on a run....

    Hope everyone has a wonderful Sunday!!

    Love and hugs to you all! Xoxo

  • Jclc83
    Jclc83 Member Posts: 246
    edited November 2015
    Well let me explain Andraxo. I know we all have our lives and treatment to deal with. Living takes time. Surviving and fighting takes time.
    Personally, I come here for support , discussion and friendship. Sometimes it's twelve or 24 hours between posts. This October group is slower than other rooms I have seen. Often, when I post something, no one even responds. I feel like I am the only here most of the time. I guess it's just the way things are. I'm not complaining, just my observation.
  • DurhamGirl
    DurhamGirl Member Posts: 100
    edited November 2015

    Hi everyone! I am also guilty of lurking a bit, reading and not posting. Between not feeling 100%, managing my three kids and their schedules, my husband and the dog, I don't always manage to post. But I do find this board very supportive and it's just reassuring to know that I'm not the only one going through this. I try not to sink into moments of self-pity, but when I do, it's helpful to log on and know that I'm not alone.

    Overall, I had a pretty good week. I've been more tired than usual (one night I desperately wanted to go to bed at 6pm!) and have had some diarrhea, but MUCH less than last round. I'm hoping this coming week will continue to be good until my next treatment on November 23rd.

    Hope everyone has a great day!

    Jennifer

  • igay1ord
    igay1ord Member Posts: 193
    edited November 2015

    Just got notice from my insurance company that I have a new claim. I went online to see that my MO just submitted a claim for 10/1 to 10/31/15 for $69,132.00! Geez, could you imagine NOT having insurance and having to fight this dreaded disease!? I can't view just yet exactly what he's charging for, but you can bet I'll keep an eye out on it! Besides regular office visits, I had only 1 chemo treatment and 1 shot of Neulasta. Can't wait to see what he's exactly charging for!

  • Artista928
    Artista928 Member Posts: 2,753
    edited November 2015

    Tylenol is only considered worse for your liver if you have abnormal liver enzymes. No NSAIDs are good either, and not just for the blood thinning properties. Anything long term is very bad.

    Your enzymes are part of the complete metabolic panel test (CMP) that should be done from time to time along with your CBC- so it is being monitored if you have CMP done. Otherwise, it's not a problem. That's why if you are taking Norco they say don't take Tylenol on top of it because Norco is known to effect liver enzymes. People with liver disease or cancer shouldn't take Tylenol as well.

  • Jclc83
    Jclc83 Member Posts: 246
    edited November 2015

    I won't argue BUT anyone can look up Tylenol and its effects onthe liver. Plus the added injury of chemo drugs and hepatotoxicity. I know all about the ALT and the AST and a CMP. And I' d rather take Ibuprofen.

  • Artista928
    Artista928 Member Posts: 2,753
    edited November 2015

    We all rely on what our MO says. One says this and one says that. There was a big discussion on NSAIDs somewhere with just as compelling stuff as what you're finding on Tylenol. If anyone is that concerned, best and safest bet is don't take anything like some ladies are doing..

  • MamaBexar
    MamaBexar Member Posts: 102
    edited November 2015

    I am half way thru my chemo. Taxol weekly has certainly been more gentle than the regimes that most of you are on but it is beginning to catch up with me. My kidney function is falling rapidly. I am now afraid I may wind up on dialysis before I finish the taxol. I don't know if herceptine affects the kidneys but I will be on it for a year. My red cells are showing the effect of the renal failure and I feel really crappy.

    On the positive side, I attended one of the American Cancer Society's "Look Good/ Feel Better" make-up classes. I am still amazed at the wonderful department store cosmetics I was given along with a class on how to apply it.

  • mustlovepoodles
    mustlovepoodles Member Posts: 2,825
    edited November 2015

    Norco has acetaminophen/paracetamol in it. That's why that don't want you to take any Tylenol products with it.

    Ncsue, my taste has really changed. Nothing tastes or feels right. Bleah. Salty things go down okay, but otherwise nothing is right.

    Infojunkie,my hair started coming out around day 12 and by day 17 I was shedding like a Saint Bernard. I wear beanies at home and my hit new wig when I go out.

    I haven't seen many bills yet, but the few I have seen are well into the $10,000s. Thankfully, we hit out out-of-pocket expense limit in August! I told my DH that i was being most considerate, LOL.

    I have done a lot better this round. So far there has been minimal bone pain. I've been very fatigued and had some heafache, back and jaw pain. But not bad. Taking a lot of naps, which is very unusual for me.

  • homeschool4us
    homeschool4us Member Posts: 255
    edited November 2015

    Mamabexar, did you have any issues with your kidneys before this at all? Now I'm scared of taxol! Herceptin shouldn't affect yur kidneys, just your heart. Are they talking about stopping the taxol?

    I did the look good feel better class as well, it truly was over 400 dollars of makeup!

  • mustlovepoodles
    mustlovepoodles Member Posts: 2,825
    edited November 2015

    homeschool, I'll have to find one of those classes. I've been all about the makeup since I lost my hair.

  • Andraxo
    Andraxo Member Posts: 410
    edited November 2015

    jclc83 - I also on here for the same...support, discussion, and friendship. I live alone (thankfully with 2 dogs) and my entire family lives on east coast (I live in the SW for past 18 years). I'm in a loving and supportive relationship, but he lives five hours away. My coworkers are really great (they leave every few years since this is a duty station so it's hard to have any local lasting friendships), but you are the only people who really understand what I am going through. I am so thankful! I tend to keep to myself and do most things solo to begin with, but I still need to know I'm not alone in this. You are the only ones who quiet the little voices in my head that are trying to tell me that this will kill me.

    I notice sometimes there is a flurry of activity on the blog and then quiet for a couple of days. Seems normal to me and follows life patterns, but I'm not on other boards aside from occasionally chiming in on an exercise thread (because I sometimes feel bad posting my exercise here when many are struggling to have energy for day to day tasks) and I posted on a thread on cold capping (since I failed cold capping and hoping someone would learn from my failure).

    MamaBexar - happy you are halfway, but the kidney issues are very concerning. I hope they have a solution for you!

    I also went to a Look good/Feel better class last month. I was disappointed that most of the cosmetics, though high end, are pretty toxic. The instructor discouraged people from using false eyelashes or brows because the glue is toxic. Uh...most make up is made with toxic substances too. That is just as significant, but wasn't acknowledged. I don't usually wear any make up anyway, but I am touching up my thinning brows some days.

    Today's my last day to spend time with my mom and sister. Hopefully I'll get to see them again within 6 months, and not a year.

    Feeling pretty well, hope you all are too!

    Xoxo

  • BellaV
    BellaV Member Posts: 27
    edited November 2015

    I rarely post on here and don't always read, because my eyes hurt from reading on a screen. Actually my eyes hurt from reading anything for about three-four days after chemo. It seems a little better on my smartphone.

    I seem to be a little weaker after each round -- just not bouncing back as quickly. I am still working- on intermittent leave- so I am not going to be in trouble for missing when I have to. It sucks though and I am exhausted

    Funny story: I wore my "hair hat" (wig) today to church. When I got home I realized the tag was sticking out of the back! Haha

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